Wasn't that more because Clueless Ole made it clear he wasn't for sale that summer? Only not to play him when he returned and allowing him to run down his contract.
The Sun: Marcus Rashford and Jesse Lingard handed a lifeline as Ten Hag is prepared to offer a chance
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Wasn't that more because Clueless Ole made it clear he wasn't for sale that summer? Only not to play him when he returned and allowing him to run down his contract.
I don't think anyone thought he would become a top talent, but originally he showed good work rate and desire and it suggested he could be a useful squad option to compliment more talented attackers, in a Park Ji Sung or James Milner way. You're right though, he was seen as a late bloomer, based largely off a SAF quote about him being small and that he'd come into his own in his mid 20s. For one reason or another the past few years he has actually declined, aside from his stint at West Ham. He had plenty of opportunities in Ole's first season and didn't grasp them. The past two years the most noticeable thing he has done at United has been to leak stories to the press.
I'll believe anything that comes out about Jesse Lingard as I've developed a serious distaste for the man. I'll pop a bottle of champagne the day he leaves the club.
Hopefully this isn’t true. I’ll have serious reservations about Ten Hag’s decision making if he doesn’t ensure Lingard is fired out of a cannon prior to his arrival.
I understand why he’d want to keep Rashford around, in fairness.
I understand why he’d want to keep Rashford around, in fairness.
of course the press do not want Lingard out of this club, who else is going to feed them stories from inside the club? the rats helping the rat.
I watched him play for WHU last season, the space he was afforded to was insane thats why he excelled playing as false 9 unfortunatelly he couldnt and wouldnt get that playing for Man United.
I watched him play for WHU last season, the space he was afforded to was insane thats why he excelled playing as false 9 unfortunatelly he couldnt and wouldnt get that playing for Man United.
Lingard will be 30 next season, for feck sake 
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.And regarding Rashford, he showed even less than Lingard in the last 18 months.
Rashford fair enough
Lingard
Lingard
Lingard will be 30 next season, for feck sake
About to hit his prime after development then
Crazy thing is I think lingard is better than rashford, lingard has shown good work rate/energy, better technically on the ball and more suited to possession based tactics over rashford who has raw talent in the same way bisska has but is lacking in so many areas
Hopefully the chance amounts to about 5 minutes of the first training session before he bins them both. Neither have any place in a team challenging for anything.
This is a great idea
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Can't even sell him. That's how shit he is.
Not liking some of the stories being reported about Ten Hag, wanting to bring back Pereira, Lingard and others.
If that’s true, it’s just the same old shit, under a new manager, with the “Clean Slate” nonsense.
Some of our players are just not fecking good enough, and that will always be the case regardless of the manager.
If that’s true, it’s just the same old shit, under a new manager, with the “Clean Slate” nonsense.
Some of our players are just not fecking good enough, and that will always be the case regardless of the manager.
No way, surely it would be better to either let ten hag have a proper look at him or loan him back out to a club that actually will view him as a clear first choice. Put him in the right club in the right league and used as a striker and I can imagine he could notch up 15 goals in the likes of bundesliga, la liga or ligue 1.
I find it really weird that rashford is seen to be in a position of deemed worthy enough to negotiate a new contract but the idea with martial is to potentially actually pay him to leave despite rashford being as unmotivated and unproductive as martial has been this season and their stats over the years have not been greatly different. One rule for the english academy lad and another for a expensive foreign signing of a similar age and easily as much as talented if not more so.
Im not sure where the "lets give Rashford a chance but get rid of Lingard" comes from.
Both of them should be gone in my opinion but I feel Rashford has been considerably worse than Lingard over the last 12-18m with much more chances, if you take into account his West Ham form.
Lingard at least showed with West Ham, that if you play him in the right way he can be a useful asset. Rashford seems to be complete rubbish no matter where you play him these days.
Im not defending Lingard. As I said both of them arent what we need but the optimism people still have for Rashford seems irrational given what we are seeing right now.
Both of them should be gone in my opinion but I feel Rashford has been considerably worse than Lingard over the last 12-18m with much more chances, if you take into account his West Ham form.
Lingard at least showed with West Ham, that if you play him in the right way he can be a useful asset. Rashford seems to be complete rubbish no matter where you play him these days.
Im not defending Lingard. As I said both of them arent what we need but the optimism people still have for Rashford seems irrational given what we are seeing right now.
fecking hell, things really have changed if this happens. He’s another absolute fecking waste of space, he shouldn’t wear the shirt again.
His stint at Sevilla has fully ensured we will never be able to sell him. He’s going to hang around like a bad smell for the next two years on stupid wages moaning about anything and everything
Wages are so high that any club his level cannot meet them. Hes on think about 250k a week before tax.
So he needs to be in a lower league than the PL or La Liga in order to be affective now? People kept saying he was going to tear it up at Sevilla, all he’s done is exactly the same shit he’s done here and Sevilla already have had enough of him. Sometimes you’ve just got to bite the bullet and take a loss on someone, it’s got nothing to do with him being foreign and everything to do with him being absolutely shit.
Still youthful.Lingard will be 30 next season, for feck sake
My bet is there are actually feck all clubs interested in him at the wage he's on and he's putting the PR out, hoping he can get a new deal.
Offer Lingard half the money he’s currently on, month to month rolling contract and let Ten Hag see if there’s anything left of the player who was at West Ham. If United is “his club” he should have no problem accepting that offer and proving himself again
The Sun...... Yeah I don't believe it. Rashford? Sure. Lingard? No way
Rashford has stank the place up for 18 months.
If the club want to push upward, they need to get rid of deadwood players who offer nothing.
I realise that some of you are fans of Rashford, but we are not a charity. At MCFC, he'd be sold. Only at our club, do we keep useless players on our payroll.
I'd normally agree with you because I hate the speculation and assumptions that fans tend to make based off limited information, but even as a sceptic its been clear for quite a while now that Lingard, or those close to him, have been leaking shit to press.
Chill eth hasn't got ralfs dossier yet
Yeah for sure no doubt, every English player getting a new leash on life under Ten Hag. This is for sure what he told them.
They are still seeking assurances rather than having to earn it. Rashford didn't lose favour under Rangnick, he just sucked. Training hard isn't enough. That's the bare minimum. I don't care how hard Rashford runs in training or how many he scores, if it doesn't translate he has no place in the team.
They are still seeking assurances rather than having to earn it. Rashford didn't lose favour under Rangnick, he just sucked. Training hard isn't enough. That's the bare minimum. I don't care how hard Rashford runs in training or how many he scores, if it doesn't translate he has no place in the team.
That's stupid idea, we are paying him for nothing. Would rather loan him out to another club to share his wage.
You know Lingard is out of contract don't you?
He's finished mate. If he didnt perform under Ole's system, what chance do you think he'll make it under ETH's where everyone is expected to work their socks off? and FYI he's playing for a La Liga club right now, and their fans hate him.
Think the idea, if true, is that the club wouldnt have to pay the final years salary, if he accepts it. We would have to pay 24 mill over the 2 years if he doesnt.
Despite this coming from The Sun, this does not suprise me at all, especially Lingard, who is a perfect example of what ten Hag likes in a player.
I know what you mean and he has been shite for a while now but we can't get rid of everyone in one transfer window. Perhaps Ten Hag can get a tune out of him.
We won’t get 12.5m for a loan and likely if he goes on loan we will have to pay some wages. So paying him out for 50% might actually be better
Provided he's actually said that to The Sun, as opposed to The Sun just making that up. Which would be not in the least bit surprising.
Cavani, Mata and maybe Greenwood wouldn’t be here next season. If we also lose Rashford and Lingard we probably need four offensive players next season - which is unrealistic. We need backups for example Bruno and Sancho, and I think it’s naive to eventually rely on players from “youth department”.
I prefer we spend money on two offensive players which go straight in and make a difference in our start up, and not on squad players. That’s why I don’t mind keeping Rashford and Lingard as squad or backup players until they prove something else.
I prefer we spend money on two offensive players which go straight in and make a difference in our start up, and not on squad players. That’s why I don’t mind keeping Rashford and Lingard as squad or backup players until they prove something else.
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I know but he is likely more fit for a mid-table la liga side than a top 4 side in Sevilla where he wasn't going to be an automatic starter.
Surely Heinz would show some interest
Why do people keep saying this, Lingard is no Ten Hag kind of player. He would need to be significantly better on the ball to play in any of Ten Hag's desired system either as a midfielder or winger. He is probably more of a Klopp kind of player than Ten Hag's and I am sure even Klopp wouldn't want him.
Rashford though isn't going anywhere this summer. I just hope we don't offer him any stupid new long term contract until we see how he performs over the course of next season. If he would take a year extension then fine.