Yeah, I mean Lingard would be pure choice if we keep him unlike most, because do nothing and he’s gone.
The Sun: Marcus Rashford and Jesse Lingard handed a lifeline as Ten Hag is prepared to offer a chance
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You would think a savvy team would have given him a 2 year deal and been able to sell him after that West Ham loan spell.
Lingard is actually a tidy little player in the right system. He's quick, agile, technically sound and clever so he has the attributes that a manager like Ten Hag would favour in a player.
I dont know if this is true or not, but I do believe a manager can have an outstanding impact on certain players. For me, Jesse is that mould for him, if ten hag can do what Moyes did with him plus more, then maybe he is worth keeping around as back up. Same for Rashford, he has been out of form for 2 years now, needs a reality check, maybe a hug, could ten hag bring him back? One for sure, I'd rather spend money getting the midfield and defence fixed this window, and then focus on replacing lingard and rashford in another. Pogba and matic both need to be replaced and that alone is a 100m job.
Two things:
1) It's The Sun. Why would we take this morally bankrupt tabloid seriously?
2) Even if true, I think we should give Ten Hag the benefit of the doubt and support him on decisions he makes, at least for the first 6-8 months.
1) It's The Sun. Why would we take this morally bankrupt tabloid seriously?
2) Even if true, I think we should give Ten Hag the benefit of the doubt and support him on decisions he makes, at least for the first 6-8 months.
He doesn't really have the technical ability but Lingard does movement better than some of our attackers, it's a shame he has so little talent. Probably because he hadn't played for so long but last few appearances really make it noticeable how good he is at seeing the ball. Some of our attackers despite superior talent look like they're chasing shadows for 90 minutes. Our players are either incompatible or seem to really really hate anything build up or possession oriented.
The Sun
The rag that gave us such headlines as “Freddy Starr ate my Hamster“.
Have they reported finding any more double-decker buses on the moon, recently?
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The rag that gave us such headlines as “Freddy Starr ate my Hamster“.
Have they reported finding any more double-decker buses on the moon, recently?
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My brother-in-law and nephew are full on WHU supporters and I have a mate and his son who are also WHU season ticket holders.
They say that Lingard’s loan spell there, was successful for the first few weeks, but his contribution and goals tailed off half way through the loan. They say he was a bit crap in his last few games for them.
I’ve no idea how fair or accurate their assessment is, but they were there watching him.
They say that Lingard’s loan spell there, was successful for the first few weeks, but his contribution and goals tailed off half way through the loan. They say he was a bit crap in his last few games for them.
I’ve no idea how fair or accurate their assessment is, but they were there watching him.
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If Lingard and Pogba are here during ETH's first summer training session then I'd consider it a poor start to his reign. It would indicate that RR's inputs don't really matter to him, which would make RR's time as a manager and future consultant, a complete waste of time and money.
so United need to persuade Jesse to stay
That bit made me laugh. They're so delusional. They should be begging to not be shown the door and see if they can find anyone stupid enough to pay them half the money we have.
This place will gi under if Ten Hag makes Maguire captain again. Not so sure many will give him 8 months after that
Would be a major red flag, if true
Why do people believe articles like this?
Some people believe the earth is flat and/or viruses' don't exist, plus any number of other off the chart conspiracy theories. This is tame in comparison
I was saying this earlier to a mate. He works hard aswell, he gets criticised a lot for his end product but in a set system and style of play he could be a good player for us.
Some people believe the earth is flat and/or viruses' don't exist, plus any number of other off the chart conspiracy theories. This is tame in comparison
Good point!
I think the fact that ETH isn't writing anyone off at this point is a good start. We need a manager who is composed and systematic (not reactionary), traits that have been missing from this majestic club for far too long.
God, I hope not.
Of course he would try to rescue Rashford. Players are expensive. You can not just give up when they are in bad form. Its not like he forgot how to play football. Any good player is usefull when motivated and integrated to a system. The gap between generational talents and good players is very small in the modern game. The system is the most important thing.
At this rate, the extent of the changes Erik will bring will be minimal. I just hope he is an excellent coach, as he is reputed to be. He will need to coach our players to be better and more committed.
Ronaldo, a grandpa : 23 goals in 37 games
Rashford, a teenager : 5 goals in 32 games
Probably because it's true.
Its difficult for some to look beyond the dogshit players that we have.What set system?
He's played in several systems for us, under 3 different managers, and proven to be shit in all of them. He scored a few goals for West Ham with acres of space on the counter, mostly in counterattacks when they outnumbered the defenders. Then even those goals dried up.
Why would you want us to limit ourselves with players like Lingard who are abysmal in possession? We literally just went down this road with Ole and look how that worked out.
Debatable.
Are you ignoring the part of a motivated player integrated to a system, or my english is so bad that you can't understand? I'll try make it easy: you develop a good playing style and teach players their roles. Then Gnabry is going to look world class. Understand?
What part demotivated Rashford in the first place? Ole coddled him and spoke of him highly. Ralf still played him regardless of his bad performances under Ole. He's so demotivated that he can't even bother to run in some cases, when that happens doesn't matter what is the system. Tell me what does he need? he needs to sort his head out that's what. Gnarby doesn't have anything to do with it. Meanwhile the generational talent like Ronaldo still putting in the work regardless of his age. For you to say there's a small gap between generational talents and good players (when on form) is absolutely ridiculous. That's like saying Lingard can be at least 80% as good as Messi as a false 9 in Pep's Barca, which means his output is around 40 goals+assists every season as long as Pep teaches him how to do it. Let that sink in.
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Players like Pogba, lingard, Henderson, Awb, Maguire all must be sold. They are not good enough, don't have the fight in themselves. Otherwise, five years of trophyless season will just keep increasing.
Not selling Lingard to West Ham when United could have done a profitable deal with them is one of the signs the Board has no clue nor direction… He returned and became as crap as usual. For me, his time in the club has passed for at least 3 years ago.
As for Rashy, he went down the same spiral as Martial. I don’t think it’s coincidence that 2 years ago this couple was finally accomplishing in the starting eleven and giving very good combinations and goals. I don’t think Ronaldo has been the issue but probably they were the huge sacrifices when introducing him to United’s gameplay.
I would give Rashford the benefit of the doubt with ETH, maybe he can turn him into a better player, but it’s not guaranteed.
As for Rashy, he went down the same spiral as Martial. I don’t think it’s coincidence that 2 years ago this couple was finally accomplishing in the starting eleven and giving very good combinations and goals. I don’t think Ronaldo has been the issue but probably they were the huge sacrifices when introducing him to United’s gameplay.
I would give Rashford the benefit of the doubt with ETH, maybe he can turn him into a better player, but it’s not guaranteed.
Exactly, Lingard should have been sold just like Pogba should have been sold when we had offers for him. We kept believing in the ability of some of our players and look where we are now.
On the other hand I think Rashford deserves another chance. He will never be world class but he can be be a good first team player. Martial is a lost cause, he doesn't seem to want to play football anymore.
And it also shows his character. Ole and the club gave him chance after chance and he & his brother still disrespected the club on social media once he returned. If there's a person responsible it's him. So if he feels like he is not where he'd like to be, tough luck, his own fault.
I was coming in here to type precisely that but you beat to me it
If this is some sort of survey released by Lingard/Rashford 's PR teams to test the water, my response to it is : Hell No .
They don't deserve further chance. The coffin has been nailed.
They don't deserve further chance. The coffin has been nailed.
Not Lingard. Just no! Same goes for Pogba.
No it wasn't West Ham never made serious play for Lingard and It seems Lingard intention was always to run down his contract for all the Ole's fault you can't blame him for Lingard's situation .
Turd cannot be polished, the longer you keep it the more it stinks up the place.
I've not seen much that suggests Jones or Bailly want out? Neither much Henderson to be honest but I can understand why as he just won't be able to displace DDG.
But it's not. He is more of a Ralf player and even Ralf does not use him.
Lingard, Pogba and Rashford should move on to be honest, for their own good. But we pay well and they are in the spotlight here, good or bad.
A big part of ten Hag's philosophy is unselfish movement off the ball. We all used to joke that Lingard used to just have good movement, but this is something that we really lack in our team, and another reason why Van de Beek was successful under him. Nothing special in terms of ability, but forever creates space with their off the ball movement, thus allowing us to break teams down.
I personally don't think Lingard will stay, but all I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if he does, 1) because he's versailte 2) he presses well 3) his movement.
No love for a local lad like Jesse from the fans?
Ralf has his Ragnites. Where are all the Lingardians?
Ralf has his Ragnites. Where are all the Lingardians?