Funny how it didnt impact you in CL eh? Played against Madrid, Dortmund and won both games. lead against Juventus before 10 mins of madness changed everything.
Nice excuses though.
The Spurs thread | 2017-18 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Funny how it didnt impact you in CL eh? Played against Madrid, Dortmund and won both games. lead against Juventus before 10 mins of madness changed everything.
Nice excuses though.
Think they played at Wembley only when they dropped points. they played at half built WHL against Madrid and Dortmund.
I see what your trying to do, but your totally ignoring that as a team we were progressing so you could argue that the performance would have stayed the season before or even improved. A 4 season sample isn't conclusive of anything.
Yep you improved massively but our reduced points total, at least some of that is down to being at Wembley. It goes against all footballing logic to suggest a team not playing at their usual home stadium will not expect a negative impact on 'home' performances and results and thus points won. From where I sit, I think both United and Spurs will need to improve considerably to mount a genuine title challenge next season. We are pretty much starting from similar positions.
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According to most of the Caf Madrid and Dortmund were shit and it was no real achievement.
Damn you guys have destroyed the Spurs fan's argument 
yeah, 4 season sample isn't conclusive but your 1 season sample size is very conclusive.
In 2010-11 ManUtd had the best home record probably in Europe top 5 leagues, won 18 and drew 1 (55 points) in 19 games. Next season we had 47 points only.
Football is not that simple to say if we played here and there we would have smashed these teams.
So instead of answering or putting an argument, you ended up making shit post.
I've said that it is not a sure thing, but to suggest the idea as being drivel isn't correct. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, I'm happy with our finish in the league.
It's better than your "we would have beat them all at WHL" argument, as if you guys didn't drop points at WHL before. 45 points or something you got this season is much better than average points at WHL in Poch's 3 seasons.
How is it a shit post, it's simply the truth? I won't start trawling through this thread cause you know what I'm saying is right, are you saying a lot of people didn't say that?
Football doesn't work like that. It's not always a upward trajectory.
If you expected Spurs to get more than 53 points in the home season(if you guys played at WHL) and actually break the record for highest number of home points in 38 game PL season, then you expect a lot from this Spurs team.
If your going to debate with me at least have the decency to argue my points, I've said nowhere that we would smash them all I'm saying it's far from incomsevable that we would finished with more points.
It is drivel. Wembley helped you to beat Manutd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Madrid, Dortmund and nearly Juventus but somehow playing away from WHL means it was disadvantage and you couldn't beat Burnley, Swansea, West Brom, West Ham. fecking hell, just see the clubs against which you dropped points. It's not as if you dropped against big teams to say it was because of WHL factor.
Im saying it's a possibility I am NOT saying it's set in stone...... again.
How did Wembley help us beat all them team? Where has that came from? Again we will agree to disagree.
Then argue that with your fellow Spurs fan who implied that it was set in stone they'd have finished 2nd if you guys were playing at WHL.
Because instead of putting an argument you ended up with sarcastic one based on some post made few months back. So do you agree Madrid was a quality team and you had no problem beating them at Wembley? So what stopped your advantage against West Ham, West Brom, Swansea and Burnley?
it's simple. Teams drop points at home, if it's Wembley, WHL or any other team. Sometimes club just smashes every team at home but that's not normal, that's exception. You took your exception season as if it's a normal one.
You have dropped points against 2 relegated teams and team that was in relegation zone. Wembley or WHL wasn't factor.
Home ground, more fans, known stadium. Didn't that help at all?
So are you saying Spurs playing ManUtd at Wembely in front of 70000 Spurs fans is same or not any different than Spurs playing ManUtd at Old Trafford in front of 70000 ManUtd fans? Hint, check the records.
Why should I? They are intitled to their opinions, if you wanna argue it with them tear on. Spurs fans on here are all labelled the same it's crazy
.I imagine that having a new stadium worth many hundreds of millions has a tiny bit to do with loan-security.
Re. Pochettino, I haven't seen any expression of a lack of confidence concerning what Spurs can spend. In fact, concerning this summer and "taking risks" he said "I think Daniel is going to listen to me."
In that case, why are some claiming that Spurs have "declined" because we've slipped from 2nd last season to 3rd this season?
Show some mercy man
Aren't those 4 years the number of years Poch has been at Spurs ? I think if you were to expand it to 10 years your argument would be even stronger not that you needed to add anything more to it.I'd say it's more to do with us getting our tactics right in th league game and you getting them right in the Cup. Again we will agree to disagree because at the end of the day it doesn't really matter as the season is over.
You tell them and argue with them. I don't have access to their minds.
Show some mercy man
Yeah I took only Poch years, otherwise their season at Wembley will be like Peak Barca season compared to WHL in general.I do want Spurs to do well.
But as a club they need to be careful. They've been a very good side for a few years now; but ultimately have nothing to show for it. It seems as though they lack a bit of ambition, fans and players alike coming out and saying buzzwords like 'progression' and how they're punching above their weight. That's completely the wrong mindset in my opinion but it seems to surround the club completely.
Unless they're active and forceful in the transfer market I can see them losing a few players and dropping out of the top 4 next year. Making all this talk of 'progression' for nought.
But as a club they need to be careful. They've been a very good side for a few years now; but ultimately have nothing to show for it. It seems as though they lack a bit of ambition, fans and players alike coming out and saying buzzwords like 'progression' and how they're punching above their weight. That's completely the wrong mindset in my opinion but it seems to surround the club completely.
Unless they're active and forceful in the transfer market I can see them losing a few players and dropping out of the top 4 next year. Making all this talk of 'progression' for nought.
So in the same way we can agree that you dropping points against Swansea, West Brom, West ham was because of players not turning up or manager getting it wrong?
I think they should be even praised for how they turned out what was supposed to be a weakness (playing at Wembley) into a strength and this despite the few shock results. Wembley has helped them a lot. Saying your home stadium hasn't helped your team when said team has reached the highest number of points at home in ages is simply mad.
Exactly. Also doesn't 70K Spurs fans cheering you on helps you better than 30K fans cheering you on?
big window coming up for Spurs, Moura, Sanchez and Aurier will have a season under their belt and need to step up, for me they really need a top full back if Rose leaves and they're a bit like hens teeth at the moment as everyone is after full backs, possibly another top level striker to help take the load of Kane and a solid CM, I also possibly think they need a new keeper, Lloris levels, for me, have dropped over the last 2 season.
Typo mistake, forgot to write 2nd. Accept my apologies, oh beacon of perfection.If your going to make big statements at least please make sure they are correct
Surely, having 70,000+ fans supporting you at Wembley is far more advantageous than playing at your old ground?
Just playing by your rules. An argument can be made for Liverpool that they eased off in the league due to getting to a European final. That argument can’t be made for Spurs. Unlike Spurs they also actually strengthened their team in the last year.
I’d say it took a few games to get used to. I think Spurs form has suffered for more reasons that that as I’ve already said. Spurs are not impervious to the same issues that effect every other club in the world. If you don’t strengthen your team and squad regularly you at best stagnate and at worst regress.
You can ‘imagine’ what you want. The reality is that the increased profits are what secured the loan and it is that which will be used to pay it back. Unless Spurs intend to sell their expensive stadium to fund their expensive stadium.
It’s strange he feels the need to discuss this in public mind. Almost as if he’s trying to force somebody’s hand a little. If he knew they would he could simply say they will spend significant sums.
My rules? You were the one that said the league is the true test. But now you back-track on that when it comes to Liverpool.
So you apply one set of rules to Spurs for measuring decline/progress, but another when it comes to other clubs ... and even this ignores the fact that basing your measurement on a single season is just foolish.
I agree that strengthening a team and squad regularly is important ... which is why we've signed (for example) Sanchez and Moura recently and today signed a new contract with Kyle Walker-Peters, which perhaps indicates a bigger squad role for him next season.
And this summer, as I've said, I think Spurs will spend a lot more than in many summer past.
Beating Madrid is a cool feat but Dortmund aren't anything special. They've had one great CL is season in the last 15 years, they aren't a European heavyweight like Real Madrid.
The biggest compliment you can give to Spurs is that Man Utd fans are actually discussing them. Who would've imagined that 6-7 years ago?
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