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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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Spurs fans salty as feck I love it.

I generally didn't know Kane was playing today until I saw a close up of him after 50 minutes, worst player on the park by some distance.
That was the only time big Phil let him out of his pocket for air.
 
A mate of mine has felt that since 1962

50+ years of bang average Spurs football teams makes you wonder where their fans get this sense of entitlement from. They should have won it last season but unsurprisingly capitulated when the going got tough. They won't get a better chance to win it again that's for sure.
 
Oh come on, Modric was a year older than Pogba is right now when he just came to Spurs and it took him 2 years to really hit the ground running. It's a bit unfair to compare a player at his absolute peak that's 8 years older with Pogba right now. Like someone said above if Pogba didn't cost us 89 million we wouldn't be even talking about this. Pogba has so much upside and we could revisit this convo again in a year when he gets at the same age when Modric debuted or in 3 years when he gets to the same age when Modric started hitting his peak form.

To say that Pogba has no chance to get even close of reaching level Modric has today is a bit daft. Like others said he's actually playing better than Modric did at the same age.

Why is everyone saying this? The fact is he did cost that much, so it's a completely pointless statement.

As for Pogba v Modric - Pogba has more than enough time to become just as good. Obviously they have different strengths so it would be hard to compare head to head.
 
Why is everyone saying this? The fact is he did cost that much, so it's a completely pointless statement.

As for Pogba v Modric - Pogba has more than enough time to become just as good. Obviously they have different strengths so it would be hard to compare head to head.
Because the guy was here in our youth system and just due to an awkward situation, he spent his time in Italy to further his development. It's similar sense of closeness like Reus with Dortmund. These are special cases than just buying Modric. Had the past event turned out differently and Pogba was here all this time, even if he performed a level below now, the level he's on should be among the top of the league.
 
50+ years of bang average Spurs football teams makes you wonder where their fans get this sense of entitlement from. They should have won it last season but unsurprisingly capitulated when the going got tough. They won't get a better chance to win it again that's for sure.

That's a very funny post, Spurs fans having a sense of entitlement is about as realistic as our chances of winning the league.

This is what seperates supporters of clubs like ours and supporters of some other high profile clubs.

Outside of North London, Herts & Essex, parts of Bucks it would be pretty unusual to find a Spurs fan unless they've moved away from the area that they grew up in. The actual best thing about our club is the fanbase because you support Spurs for one of only 2 reasons or both, you grew up locally or your family did and then moved out, that's pretty much it. Decades in the footballing wilderness hasn't dampened our support. You don't support Spurs because we win things, you support Spurs because it's in your blood. Thankfully there are no fickle glory hunting fans that believe they support our club, no so called Spurs fans born and raised in Exeter or Reigate. It's local and or it's family, and that's it and another 50 years in the wilderness won't change it, the same as it won't for West Ham, Leeds or Newcastle.

That's why a sense of entitlement doesn't exist at Spurs and other clubs like us, it's not about winning trophys and chasing glory, it's about something far more important than that, there's a far deeper and more meaningful attachment than seeking glory.
 
Because the guy was here in our youth system and just due to an awkward situation, he spent his time in Italy to further his development. It's similar sense of closeness like Reus with Dortmund. These are special cases than just buying Modric. Had the past event turned out differently and Pogba was here all this time, even if he performed a level below now, the level he's on should be among the top of the league.

Apologies, but your post is absolute waffle.
 
That's a very funny post, Spurs fans having a sense of entitlement is about as realistic as our chances of winning the league.

This is what seperates supporters of clubs like ours and supporters of some other high profile clubs.

Outside of North London, Herts & Essex, parts of Bucks it would be pretty unusual to find a Spurs fan unless they've moved away from the area that they grew up in. The actual best thing about our club is the fanbase because you support Spurs for one of only 2 reasons or both, you grew up locally or your family did and then moved out, that's pretty much it. Decades in the footballing wilderness hasn't dampened our support. You don't support Spurs because we win things, you support Spurs because it's in your blood. Thankfully there are no fickle glory hunting fans that believe they support our club, no so called Spurs fans born and raised in Exeter or Reigate. It's local and or it's family, and that's it and another 50 years in the wilderness won't change it, the same as it won't for West Ham, Leeds or Newcastle.

That's why a sense of entitlement doesn't exist at Spurs and other clubs like us, it's not about winning trophys and chasing glory, it's about something far more important than that, there's a far deeper and more meaningful attachment than seeking glory.
That's funny. I live in the northern part of Norway, and have met quite a few Spurs fans (who have been fans for quite some time). Even my father is a spurs fan. And none, whatsoever, have family in England. (Our family has scottish roots, but that's as close as it gets).

Face it, most clubs in England's top division(s) have support overseas. Calling some glory-hunters and others blood doesn't change that, but if you need to tell yourself that to feel good after getting rammed, that's okay.
 
Feck Spurs. Delighted to beat the absolute cnuts and hope their season goes off a cliff from here. Used to feel fairly benign about them but a certain resident troll has driven me to despise the thuggish wankers. Here's hoping Danny Rose stands on a piece of lego in his bare feet. Dickhead.

Perfect.
 
Why is everyone saying this? The fact is he did cost that much, so it's a completely pointless statement.

As for Pogba v Modric - Pogba has more than enough time to become just as good. Obviously they have different strengths so it would be hard to compare head to head.
In he contributes as much as Modric has done, it will be money well worth spending. He has a long way to go though.
 
That's a very funny post, Spurs fans having a sense of entitlement is about as realistic as our chances of winning the league.

This is what seperates supporters of clubs like ours and supporters of some other high profile clubs.

Outside of North London, Herts & Essex, parts of Bucks it would be pretty unusual to find a Spurs fan unless they've moved away from the area that they grew up in. The actual best thing about our club is the fanbase because you support Spurs for one of only 2 reasons or both, you grew up locally or your family did and then moved out, that's pretty much it. Decades in the footballing wilderness hasn't dampened our support. You don't support Spurs because we win things, you support Spurs because it's in your blood. Thankfully there are no fickle glory hunting fans that believe they support our club, no so called Spurs fans born and raised in Exeter or Reigate. It's local and or it's family, and that's it and another 50 years in the wilderness won't change it, the same as it won't for West Ham, Leeds or Newcastle.

That's why a sense of entitlement doesn't exist at Spurs and other clubs like us, it's not about winning trophys and chasing glory, it's about something far more important than that, there's a far deeper and more meaningful attachment than seeking glory.
I think you will find that in the early 60s Spurs got quite a few non local supporters due to their success, style of football, and players of the likes of Greaves, Mackay and Blanchflower. It is a Mythe that any successful club over the last 60 odd years has only local supporters. Sounds good but is not reality.
The sense of entitlement seen by Spurs fans over say the last few years is no different to any of the top 6 sides. Have a few goid seasons, get some plaudits and it seems to go to fans heads.
I mistakenly went to 2 spurs forums to see what their view of today's game and it was like reading bluemoon or Rawk. There is certainly a different tone to that which I met when I worked in London in the 90s.
 
Why is everyone saying this? The fact is he did cost that much, so it's a completely pointless statement.

As for Pogba v Modric - Pogba has more than enough time to become just as good. Obviously they have different strengths so it would be hard to compare head to head.

yeah it's odd people want to compare the two, I guess it's because Modric is Spurs best midfielder (maybe ever) that's still playing, Pogbas is ours and this is the spurs thread. Bit of a pissing contest. Considering Pogba puts in a defensive shift alongside the attacking, you can't really compare the two.
 
Spurs are a decent side who punched above their weight last season.

They have no pace upfront whatsoever. Kane is the biggest myth in football. When he isn't scoring tap ins and penalties, what does he actually do?

I really like Lloris and the two CBS. Dembele is a very good player too. But the 4 players in front of the midfield and defence? Meh.

Spurs won't get into the CL places this season unless Levy signs some attackers in January.
 
Spurs haven't scored in 4 of last 5 games against ManUtd. That's awful record.
 
That's a very funny post, Spurs fans having a sense of entitlement is about as realistic as our chances of winning the league.

This is what seperates supporters of clubs like ours and supporters of some other high profile clubs.

Outside of North London, Herts & Essex, parts of Bucks it would be pretty unusual to find a Spurs fan unless they've moved away from the area that they grew up in. The actual best thing about our club is the fanbase because you support Spurs for one of only 2 reasons or both, you grew up locally or your family did and then moved out, that's pretty much it. Decades in the footballing wilderness hasn't dampened our support. You don't support Spurs because we win things, you support Spurs because it's in your blood. Thankfully there are no fickle glory hunting fans that believe they support our club, no so called Spurs fans born and raised in Exeter or Reigate. It's local and or it's family, and that's it and another 50 years in the wilderness won't change it, the same as it won't for West Ham, Leeds or Newcastle.

That's why a sense of entitlement doesn't exist at Spurs and other clubs like us, it's not about winning trophys and chasing glory, it's about something far more important than that, there's a far deeper and more meaningful attachment than seeking glory.

I don't think I've ever come across a more entitled set of fans than Spurs or Newcastle fans so I'm going to have to argue against you here.
 
Feck Spurs. Delighted to beat the absolute cnuts and hope their season goes off a cliff from here. Used to feel fairly benign about them but a certain resident troll has driven me to despise the thuggish wankers. Here's hoping Danny Rose stands on a piece of lego in his bare feet. Dickhead.

:lol: Defos this :D:wenger:
 
I've seen a fair bit of Pogba, in the CL, for France, at Utd and I can't ever say I've watched a game and thought wow this guy is really good. He's very athletic, is pretty good technically but he seems slow of thought to me. When I watch Modric for example it guts me that he left Spurs, to me he is simply levels above Pogba although that is hardly a criticism as the same can be said for most.

But I also don't think Pogba contributes anywhere near enough in terms of goals or creativity as the one closest to the main forward, and I think it's because he doesn't see pictures early enough.
I find this a bit weird. I'm not even a big fan of Pogba, I'm not quite sure what his best position is and how he'll turn out, but I find it strange to say you've watched him a lot and never thought to yourself 'wow he's very good'. Despite my reservations about him, before he came to Utd, he was exactly the type of player that you watched a few times and would be a bit in awe about his potential. He's not the finished product yet and as I said I'm not sure how he's going to turn out, but he has a mixture of physicality, technique and creativity, both in scoring and creating chances for others (really odd that you singled that out as being a weakness actually, he's a very creative player), that is pretty unique for a guy his age.
 
Spurs are a decent side who punched above their weight last season.

They have no pace upfront whatsoever. Kane is the biggest myth in football. When he isn't scoring tap ins and penalties, what does he actually do?

I really like Lloris and the two CBS. Dembele is a very good player too. But the 4 players in front of the midfield and defence? Meh.

Spurs won't get into the CL places this season unless Levy signs some attackers in January.

I disagree about Kane as I think he is a really superb striker, though everybody has their own opinion on him. I do agree about some of the other points you made though. We are a solid top 6 team, no more than that. Dembele is a very good player but he has been absolutely awful for 6 months now - like truely terrible.
 
That's a very funny post, Spurs fans having a sense of entitlement is about as realistic as our chances of winning the league.

This is what seperates supporters of clubs like ours and supporters of some other high profile clubs.

Outside of North London, Herts & Essex, parts of Bucks it would be pretty unusual to find a Spurs fan unless they've moved away from the area that they grew up in. The actual best thing about our club is the fanbase because you support Spurs for one of only 2 reasons or both, you grew up locally or your family did and then moved out, that's pretty much it. Decades in the footballing wilderness hasn't dampened our support. You don't support Spurs because we win things, you support Spurs because it's in your blood. Thankfully there are no fickle glory hunting fans that believe they support our club, no so called Spurs fans born and raised in Exeter or Reigate. It's local and or it's family, and that's it and another 50 years in the wilderness won't change it, the same as it won't for West Ham, Leeds or Newcastle.

That's why a sense of entitlement doesn't exist at Spurs and other clubs like us, it's not about winning trophys and chasing glory, it's about something far more important than that, there's a far deeper and more meaningful attachment than seeking glory.

Sorry but that is total tosh. There are 'no glory hunting fans' supporting Spurs because anybody hunting for glory would go to a team that has a history of consistent success and might achieve 'glory'. That aint us. Yet we have people on this forum talking like we win the league every year. I will stand up for our players and argue their merits vs other players on this forum but I would never try to claim that Spurs are a better club than the likes of Man Utd because we aren't.
 
That's a very funny post, Spurs fans having a sense of entitlement is about as realistic as our chances of winning the league.

This is what seperates supporters of clubs like ours and supporters of some other high profile clubs.

Outside of North London, Herts & Essex, parts of Bucks it would be pretty unusual to find a Spurs fan unless they've moved away from the area that they grew up in. The actual best thing about our club is the fanbase because you support Spurs for one of only 2 reasons or both, you grew up locally or your family did and then moved out, that's pretty much it. Decades in the footballing wilderness hasn't dampened our support. You don't support Spurs because we win things, you support Spurs because it's in your blood. Thankfully there are no fickle glory hunting fans that believe they support our club, no so called Spurs fans born and raised in Exeter or Reigate. It's local and or it's family, and that's it and another 50 years in the wilderness won't change it, the same as it won't for West Ham, Leeds or Newcastle.

That's why a sense of entitlement doesn't exist at Spurs and other clubs like us, it's not about winning trophys and chasing glory, it's about something far more important than that, there's a far deeper and more meaningful attachment than seeking glory.


You were saying?

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Why is everyone saying this? The fact is he did cost that much, so it's a completely pointless statement.
I haven't said it, but I guess people are saying it because his price tag doesn't really have any bearing on how he performs - but a few people (pundits mainly, and oppo fans) are using it as a stick to beat him with, because he's 'the most expensive player in the world'. His price wasn't only reflective of his quality (which, at this stage, is mostly based around the enormous potential he has) but also his marketing and branding value. And it just seems a bit unfair on him given he has no saying in his price, and has largely (for a couple of months) performed really well, probably better than any other 23 year old midfielder discovering the league would, which isn't necessarily being said.
 
Sorry but that is total tosh. There are 'no glory hunting fans' supporting Spurs because anybody hunting for glory would go to a team that has a history of consistent success and might achieve 'glory'. That aint us. Yet we have people on this forum talking like we win the league every year. I will stand up for our players and argue their merits vs other players on this forum but I would never try to claim that Spurs are a better club than the likes of Man Utd because we aren't.

I think you need to read the post again.
 
I haven't said it, but I guess people are saying it because his price tag doesn't really have any bearing on how he performs - but a few people (pundits mainly, and oppo fans) are using it as a stick to beat him with, because he's 'the most expensive player in the world'. His price wasn't only reflective of his quality (which, at this stage, is mostly based around the enormous potential he has) but also his marketing and branding value. And it just seems a bit unfair on him given he has no saying in his price, and has largely (for a couple of months) performed really well, probably better than any other 23 year old midfielder discovering the league would, which isn't necessarily being said.

You are right that Pobga shouldnt be judged on the basis of his price tag because it's not his fault the ridiculous price was paid (thats the clubs fault). He has done ok and everybody can see his potential and should be judged on that. If he performs to a high level for the next 10 years at the club then maybe the fee will be justified. Biggest price tag in the world does not necessarily equal best player in the world.
 
I think you need to read the post again.

I did read it and I'm afraid I can't agree with what you said. You are suggesting that Spurs fans have a deeper connection with the club than fans of other clubs in the top flight and that plainly is wrong and it comes across as a bit arrogant to suggest it.
 
I believe modric is the best CM in the world atm and is an absolutely top drawer player but what the feck is with making him out to be some Messiesque once in a lifetime player where someone's sure a Pogba will never even reach his level as the gulf in class is insurmountable? Absolute bollocks.

It's the same with the waffle about "but he's the most expensive player in the world" when it comes to pogba. The only reason pogba is the costliest player is that players better than him haven't been transferred yet, there are quite a few of them mind. Being the most expensive doesn't make him the best player in the world, it's common sense but seems to elude some folks here.
 
I did read it and I'm afraid I can't agree with what you said. You are suggesting that Spurs fans have a deeper connection with the club than fans of other clubs in the top flight and that plainly is wrong and it comes across as a bit arrogant to suggest it.

Then your initial post makes little sense, and I'm not talking about Spurs fans per se, I'm talking about the vast majority of football clubs of which Spurs are just one.

Supporters of local teams will in my opinion always have a deeper connection to a club than those who grow up hundreds of miles away, unless it's a family thing.

I can't understand how anybody can support or follow a team that are based hundreds of miles away from where they are born and raised, the reasons why they do it are obvious as you won't get too many people in Exeter or Reigate electing to support West Brom or Middlesboro, would you now?
 
Then your initial post makes little sense, and I'm not talking about Spurs fans per se, I'm talking about the vast majority of football clubs of which Spurs are just one.

Supporters of local teams will in my opinion always have a deeper connection to a club than those who grow up hundreds of miles away, unless it's a family thing.

I can't understand how anybody can support or follow a team that are based hundreds of miles away from where they are born and raised, the reasons why they do it are obvious as you won't get too many people in Exeter or Reigate electing to support West Brom or Middlesboro, would you now?

It is nonsense to say that I'm sorry. I say this as a fan of Spurs for over 35 years who only gets to see them once a year if I'm lucky as I'm from in Northern Ireland. I can assure you that I am just as big a fan and support the club just as much as a local Tottenham lad. You might not understand it, but I do and it is real.
 
It is nonsense to say that I'm sorry. I say this as a fan of Spurs for over 35 years who only gets to see them once a year if I'm lucky as I'm from in Northern Ireland. I can assure you that I am just as big a fan and support the club just as much as a local Tottenham lad. You might not understand it, but I do and it is real.

The old "I'm a better fan than you because I'm a local lad" statement. Haven't seen the United posters on here wheel it out for a while, thankfully.

Arguably one of the most conceited things you can say on a football forum.
 
Considering Pogba puts in a defensive shift alongside the attacking, you can't really compare the two.
Modric does too.

That said, Pogba will almost certainly become better than modric though.
 
Modric does too.

That said, Pogba will almost certainly become better than modric though.

Bold statement that! Pobga is good and has great potential but he will do very well to be as good as Modric in his prime - not saying he can't but it is not a certainty by any means.
 
I think pogba will become as good as lothar matthaus.
 
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