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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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AndyJ1985 said:
Spoken like a true sore loser. We were deserving winners and for most of the game we weren't very poor at all.
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I disagree - doesn't make me a sore loser. I can assure you that if we had somehow fluked a win out of that match I would have said exactly the same thing. Nothing inspiring about either team at the moment.
 
balaks said:
Very poor performance from both teams imo and probably could easily have been a draw. Disappointing defeat. Either team will be very fortunate to get anywhere near top 4 this season.
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That's bitter nonsense.

Some excellent United performances - Mkhitaryan, Herrera, Rojo, Jones, you can't deny that.

We looked a good level above your pathetic cloggers.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
How good would you say Pogba is? He's very athletic but his brain seems to tick over very slowly, he's definitely not in the top echelon of midfield players, he's not intelligent enough.
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No of course, Pogba's shite. His multiple personal awards and inclusion in the FIFA world 11 prove that he really is bang average.
 
Kraftwerker said:
That's bitter nonsense.

Some excellent United performances - Mkhitaryan, Herrera, Rojo, Jones, you can't deny that.

We looked a good level above your pathetic cloggers.
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Mkhitaryan played well - Rojo was decent - other than that I saw nothing special in the performance of Herrera or Jones if you choose those two in particular tbh. I'm only saying what I see - if it makes you feel any better I thought Alli was absolutely disgraceful, Dembele was completely awful and Kane anonymous.
 
Spurs were poor today, and we made them look poor because we controlled the match. Very disappointed in them, actually. Did not think they were so petulant and dirty.

Poor officiating and our concerning inability to finish at an acceptable rate is why this only ended 1-0.
 
balaks said:
Mkhitaryan played well - Rojo was decent - other than that I saw nothing special in the performance of Herrera or Jones if you choose those two in particular tbh. I'm only saying what I see - if it makes you feel any better I thought Alli was absolutely disgraceful, Dembele was completely awful and Kane anonymous.
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Because of the work of Herrera, Jones, Rojo etc. They completely shut your midfield and offense down. Only Eriksen got any real joy
 
Spurs have a lot of athletic and strong players, but I don't think for example the likes of Rose, Walker, Wanyama or Dier etc are very intelligent players.

Kane is a good player but he was woeful today, Alli anonymous, Eriksen did nothing. Sissoko looked a threat when he came on, but think that was mostly down to how poor Darmian is.

Think they really lack a passer in that midfield. Don't see Dembele or Wanyama playing that ball Herrera did for the goal.
 
Bwuk said:
Spurs have a lot of athletic and strong players, but I don't think for example the likes of Rose, Walker, Wanyama or Dier etc are very intelligent players.

Kane is a good player but he was woeful today, Alli anonymous, Eriksen did nothing. Sissoko looked a threat when he came on, but think that was mostly down to how poor Darmian is.

Think they really lack a passer in that midfield. Don't see Dembele or Wanyama playing that ball Herrera did for the goal.
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Yeah I agree with that - we lack a proper creative talent in midfield.
 
balaks said:
Mkhitaryan played well - Rojo was decent - other than that I saw nothing special in the performance of Herrera or Jones if you choose those two in particular tbh. I'm only saying what I see - if it makes you feel any better I thought Alli was absolutely disgraceful, Dembele was completely awful and Kane anonymous.
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Herrera completely ran the midfield.

Jones completely shut down the Spurs attack.

You must have watched a different game.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Herrera completely ran the midfield.

Jones completely shut down the Spurs attack.

You must have watched a different game.
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Listen, they did ok - i'm not knocking them. I'm just saying that neither team showed today that they are good enough for top 4 imo. That's all I'm saying.
 
balaks said:
Very poor performance from both teams imo and probably could easily have been a draw. Disappointing defeat. Either team will be very fortunate to get anywhere near top 4 this season.
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man up, we were the better team.
 
Raees said:
Poch is trying to turn them into more competitive and aggressive players but he's just turning them into brats.
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A lot of it is down to inexperience tbh, a lot of young players in the squad. Though tbh if Alli played for anybody else I'd hate him too lol
 
balaks said:
Very poor performance from both teams imo and probably could easily have been a draw. Disappointing defeat. Either team will be very fortunate to get anywhere near top 4 this season.
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United clinical Spurs toothless.

That was the difference really. United deserved the win as Lloris and the woodwork kept you in the game.

Can see why you're frustrated and disappointed though. You had alot of the ball in our half but couldn't do much with it.
 
I have been saying it for months that Spurs and Arsenal aren't actually very good and will soon get found out. It is starting to happen with Spurs i'm now just waiting for Arsenal to collapse despite them looking good in the last couple of games.
 
balaks said:
Yeah I agree with that - we lack a proper creative talent in midfield.
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Yeah, and I think that's where the goal came from. Kane trying to drop deep to move it forward since he wasn't getting it.

Thought the boy Winks looked ok when he came on, would be tempted to play Alli next to Dembele with Eriksen at 10 though.
 
balaks said:
Listen, they did ok - i'm not knocking them. I'm just saying that neither team showed today that they are good enough for top 4 imo. That's all I'm saying.
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Who knows.

United showed they're a good level above Spurs in most facets of play.

They also look a much more balanced side than City who are barely half a team.

That's the main competition for top 4 with the potential of Liverpool and Arsenal eventually being dragged into the fight.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
You said a draw would have been fair which suggests the teams were even, which they weren't.
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We had a clear chance which Wanyama should have buried to make it 1-1 and there were limited chances on either side bar the odd decent save from both keepers. Could easily have ended 1-1
 
balaks said:
We had a clear chance which Wanyama should have buried to make it 1-1 and there were limited chances on either side bar the odd decent save from both keepers. Could easily have ended 1-1
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We had much better chances and were clearly the better side on the day. If you're the team in the lead and the other side doesn't get many chances you're doing your job, the onus in that situation is on the team chasing the draw to try and create chances, not the one who has already got the result they want.
 
balaks said:
We had a clear chance which Wanyama should have buried to make it 1-1 and there were limited chances on either side bar the odd decent save from both keepers. Could easily have ended 1-1
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Don't think that's really accurate. Bar Wanyama heading the ball away from our goal DDG made a few saves from range. Nothing of any note.

Zlatan and Pogba should have scored first half and Lloris and his crossbar stopped the Pog again in the second.
 
They're a good team and I think if the youngsters stick around they will do well in the future but they are really short on dynamism. Last season it wasn't the case. Second season syndrome for Alli, Dembele and Dier not at the same level. Too many players out of form.

I also think Wanyama shouldn't be a nailed on starter. He does his job well enough but his job doesn't allow for front-foot football. He wins the ball and defers it to someone else. The young lad Winks was more positive in his passing and movement.
 
TheReligion said:
Well he offered more than Alli today so depends how you rate him?

Not really sure you've seen him that much as he's very creative. He can look cumbersome but that's just his style. We are a much better side with him in it and that's all that really matters to me.

At 23 he has a fantastic future.
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I think Alli has a long way to go to justify the hype, a very long way, he is 20 so he has a chance but I'm far from convinced that he will be the player that many pundits are predicting.

I've seen a fair bit of Pogba, in the CL, for France, at Utd and I can't ever say I've watched a game and thought wow this guy is really good. He's very athletic, is pretty good technically but he seems slow of thought to me. When I watch Modric for example it guts me that he left Spurs, to me he is simply levels above Pogba although that is hardly a criticism as the same can be said for most.

But I also don't think Pogba contributes anywhere near enough in terms of goals or creativity as the one closest to the main forward, and I think it's because he doesn't see pictures early enough.

Back to Spurs we need to have a rethink on where we are going at the moment, these 4 or 5 months haven't been good enough. It's great that we are reasonably solid but first of all we need to stop thinking about not conceding as a priority and start thinking about getting after teams again. We are playing too deep, too slowly, in the wrong areas of the pitch and without enough aggression. It's hasn't been good enough, and today was typical of the lethargy that we have been showing all season.

Alli, Eriksen and Son are most commonly the 3 and they aren't contributing enough, but I also think our deepness doesn't help them. We need to sharpen up all over the pitch and get back to forcing the issue, to be honest much like Liverpool do but with a better defence.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
I think Alli has a long way to go to justify the hype, a very long way, he is 20 so he has a chance but I'm far from convinced that he will be the player that many pundits are predicting.

I've seen a fair bit of Pogba, in the CL, for France, at Utd and I can't ever say I've watched a game and thought wow this guy is really good. He's very athletic, is pretty good technically but he seems slow of thought to me. When I watch Modric for example it guts me that he left Spurs, to me he is simply levels above Pogba although that is hardly a criticism as the same can be said for most.

But I also don't think Pogba contributes anywhere near enough in terms of goals or creativity as the one closest to the main forward, and I think it's because he doesn't see pictures early enough.

Back to Spurs we need to have a rethink on where we are going at the moment, these 4 or 5 months haven't been good enough. It's great that we are reasonably solid but first of all we need to stop thinking about not conceding as a priority and start thinking about getting after teams again. We are playing too deep, too slowly, in the wrong areas of the pitch and without enough aggression. It's hasn't been good enough, and today was typical of the lethargy that we have been showing all season.

Alli, Eriksen and Son are most commonly the 3 and they aren't contributing enough, but I also think our deepness doesn't help them. We need to sharpen up all over the pitch and get back to forcing the issue, to be honest much like Liverpool do but with a better defence.
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Comparing Pogba with Modric is disingenuous.

Like comparing Patrick Vieira with Paul Scholes.

I doubt many midfielders in the league have had more key passes than Pogba this season. Poor finishing by others has let him down. Some of his creative work has been outstanding, particularly for Zlatan.

Couldn't care less about his goals, he's not there to do that. I think he'll finish the season with around 10 which would be more than decent.
 
balaks said:
Mkhitaryan played well - Rojo was decent - other than that I saw nothing special in the performance of Herrera or Jones if you choose those two in particular tbh. I'm only saying what I see - if it makes you feel any better I thought Alli was absolutely disgraceful, Dembele was completely awful and Kane anonymous.
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Herrera was great as was jones this is clear due to spurs creating absolutely eff all barring one brain fart that gifted wanyama a chance and probably why alli underwhelmed.
I also think carrick thought him a lesson today in how to remain calm.
Zlatan held up everything that came to him, he was let down by martial and pogba.
2 - 0 would of been a better reflection of the game
 
SirHenryPercy said:
I think Alli has a long way to go to justify the hype, a very long way, he is 20 so he has a chance but I'm far from convinced that he will be the player that many pundits are predicting.

I've seen a fair bit of Pogba, in the CL, for France, at Utd and I can't ever say I've watched a game and thought wow this guy is really good. He's very athletic, is pretty good technically but he seems slow of thought to me. When I watch Modric for example it guts me that he left Spurs, to me he is simply levels above Pogba although that is hardly a criticism as the same can be said for most.

But I also don't think Pogba contributes anywhere near enough in terms of goals or creativity as the one closest to the main forward, and I think it's because he doesn't see pictures early enough.

Back to Spurs we need to have a rethink on where we are going at the moment, these 4 or 5 months haven't been good enough. It's great that we are reasonably solid but first of all we need to stop thinking about not conceding as a priority and start thinking about getting after teams again. We are playing too deep, too slowly, in the wrong areas of the pitch and without enough aggression. It's hasn't been good enough, and today was typical of the lethargy that we have been showing all season.

Alli, Eriksen and Son are most commonly the 3 and they aren't contributing enough, but I also think our deepness doesn't help them. We need to sharpen up all over the pitch and get back to forcing the issue, to be honest much like Liverpool do but with a better defence.
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He is our number 1 player in chances created this season?
 
balaks said:
We had a clear chance which Wanyama should have buried to make it 1-1 and there were limited chances on either side bar the odd decent save from both keepers. Could easily have ended 1-1
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Under your logic it could of ended 4 - 1
 
Kraftwerker said:
Comparing Pogba with Modric is disingenuous.

Like comparing Patrick Vieira with Paul Scholes.

I doubt many midfielders in the league have had more key passes than Pogba this season. Poor finishing by others has let him down. Some of his creative work has been outstanding, particularly for Zlatan.

Couldn't care less about his goals, he's not there to do that. I think he'll finish the season with around 10 which would be more than decent.
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He's often played in the same areas as Modric, so in that way it's fair. Although given the quality of Modric it probably isn't fair on Pogba to pick Modric for comparison. Now Pogba seems to being playing in a more advanced role IMHO he needs a hell of a lot more end product.

Dele the same, it's not been enough this season. It will be interesting to see if he can go to a higher level, technically I think he can but that's not enough and I have real doubts and that we (Spurs) may end up a bit disappointed with him.

it wouldn't surprise me at all if both of these players ultimately disappoint.
 
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