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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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They should have gone for Sadio Mane, they had the advantage of CL football over Liverpool and when you see how much they shelled out for Sisssoko it's quite baffling really.

They couldn't afford him. Sissoko was an unusual £30m signing in that they could pay for him in 6 affordable installments of £5m each.

If they signed Mane they'd have had to not sign Sissoko, Jansson and possibly N'Koudo. I would argue that would have been the correct move, but their plan was to strengthen the squad with a 4~ affordable signings, rather than strengthen their team with 1-2 quality additions.
 
They couldn't afford him. Sissoko was an unusual £30m signing in that they could pay for him in 6 affordable installments of £5m each.

If they signed Mane they'd have had to not sign Sissoko, Jansson and possibly N'Koudo. I would argue that would have been the correct move, but their plan was to strengthen the squad with a 4~ affordable signings, rather than strengthen their team with 1-2 quality additions.

They have basically made the same mistake they did post Bale to a degree and the one Liverpool made when then went close for the title.

Rather than buying quality they went for quantity.
 
They have basically made the same mistake they did post Bale to a degree and the one Liverpool made when then went close for the title.

Rather than buying quality they went for quantity.
The thing is, in our case, we kind of needed the quantity too, to cope up with more matches. We had pretty much zero squad depth in 13/14. It worked because we went out of the cups early and had no Europe. What Rodgers needed was to find a balance between quantity and quality. Also, the transfers weren't all that bad:Lallana, Can, Lovren and Origi are key parts of the squad now. Balotelli and Markovic turned out to be duds. Moreno is a mixed bag.
 
Moreno is a dud. Even Milner who isn't a real LB has cemented that spot.
Well yeah, true. I am being biased may be. He is quite good going forward - is rapid and has got a solid shot in him. His one-on-one defending and general decision making in his own box is quite poor.
 
Think he said he was 17 years old. If so,do you expect to see him get a 1st team outing this season ?

He played 15 minutes against Gillingham and for 17 looked like he's definitely got something, he has incredibly quick feet.

He would have played at Anfield but he got injured and has been out for a couple of months, I think he's just back.

I don't think we'll see much if anything else from him this season though personally I would play quite a few of the young players against CSKA at Wembley.

I still think that CCV will be the long term player to emerge, I've seen him a few times and I think that he's going to be a great CB for us. I think he should have played ahead of Wimmer in Monaco but I guess Poch wanted a right left combination rather than 2 naturally right sided players.
 
I wouldnt call it unlucky. Theyve bought a load of rubbish imo. Janssen and Sissoko are both terrible and they haven't really improved their squad when they were in an ideal position to do so. They shouldnt have bothered with sissoko or Wanyama and gone for a bit of extra class (god knows who).

Wanyama has arguably been our best outfield player so far this season and if we hadn't bought him we would have been in sorts of trouble through injuries. For 11m he has looked a steal.

N'Koudou was essentially a swap for N'Jie, young winger for young winger, if Poch thinks N'Koudou has the better potential then I've no problem with that.

The questions centre around Janssen and Sissoko. Janssen I will give more time before I would label him a failure, he's a CF who hasn't found the net and he's been a bit unlucky on quite a few occasions. For a CF no goals equals no confidence and he looks like he's trying too hard, I still think that there is a valuable second striker option in there.

Which leaves Sissoko, this is really looking like a dud, he's behind Wanyama, Dembele, Dier and Winks in the CM positions now and behind even more in advanced positions. To leave him out of a squad yesterday which included a very young bench doesn't look good, he will have to up his game or I think we will be prepared to take a big loss on him next summer. Poch wanted a powerful runner who would commit people with that power as Sissoko did in the Euros, but he's shown nothing, he was France's best midfield player in the Summer and maybe we bought into a false dawn.
 
Wanyama has arguably been our best outfield player so far this season and if we hadn't bought him we would have been in sorts of trouble through injuries. For 11m he has looked a steal.

N'Koudou was essentially a swap for N'Jie, young winger for young winger, if Poch thinks N'Koudou has the better potential then I've no problem with that.

The questions centre around Janssen and Sissoko. Janssen I will give more time before I would label him a failure, he's a CF who hasn't found the net and he's been a bit unlucky on quite a few occasions. For a CF no goals equals no confidence and he looks like he's trying too hard, I still think that there is a valuable second striker option in there.

Which leaves Sissoko, this is really looking like a dud, he's behind Wanyama, Dembele, Dier and Winks in the CM positions now and behind even more in advanced positions. To leave him out of a squad yesterday which included a very young bench doesn't look good, he will have to up his game or I think we will be prepared to take a big loss on him next summer. Poch wanted a powerful runner who would commit people with that power as Sissoko did in the Euros, but he's shown nothing, he was France's best midfield player in the Summer and maybe we bought into a false dawn.

Agreed with Wanyama. He's a good player just not sure you really needed him. As it happened with Dier going in at CB it's worked out okay to an extent.

With regards to Janssen he does look poor and he's been given plenty of opportunities now. He might improve but that's only through playing. Without Kane and his little burst of form things would be looking pretty bleak for Spurs at the moment.

I think the myth peddled about Sissoko in the summer about him having a great tournament is coming back to haunt Poch. He ran alot and looked busy but his past months at Newcastle should have been enough to see through it. Newcastle were delighted to off load him.
 
It's bizarre how the likes of Wimmer and Winks are getting game time in the PL.

Squad lacks serious depth which shows to some extent how the summer money has been wasted away.
 
They actually played pretty well yesterday, as they did at Arsenal. They lack goals though and outside of Kane don't really offer enough of a threat up top.

It's hard to see them finishing in the top four right now as I'd say there are four sides (maybe five depending on how United get on) that are better than they are.
 
They actually played pretty well yesterday, as they did at Arsenal. They lack goals though and outside of Kane don't really offer enough of a threat up top.

It's hard to see them finishing in the top four right now as I'd say there are four sides (maybe five depending on how United get on) that are better than they are.

Agreed with the goals. Obviously Poch saw he needed to address this and tried Janssen and it looks like it's not payed off.

Wonder if they will try again in Jan.
 
I think they're a team that has too many workhorses and not enough star quality in it. In the summer season that's what I would have tried to address but they signed more from the former category again.
I think it can be a limitation of Poch's management style also, but I'm not 100% sure that the players signed were his targets.
 
Are you sure? Seems like playing the potential EL ties at WHL was an option.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...um-mauricio-pochettino-confirms-a3403976.html

It could have been an option for the EL - I don't know - but it wasn't for the CL:

"Ongoing construction work at White Hart Lane prevented the club from hosting their own home games this season. Tottenham lost 4,000 home seats in the North Stand to clear way for the construction of the club's new home being built adjacent to White Hart Lane, the 61,000-capacity ground scheduled to be ready for the start of the 2018-19 season. That loss meant Tottenham needed an alternative venue given Uefa's strict regulations regarding capacity and access for Champions League games."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-...e-europa-league-after-wembley-failure-1593263
 
Agreed with Wanyama. He's a good player just not sure you really needed him. As it happened with Dier going in at CB it's worked out okay to an extent.

With regards to Janssen he does look poor and he's been given plenty of opportunities now. He might improve but that's only through playing. Without Kane and his little burst of form things would be looking pretty bleak for Spurs at the moment.

I think the myth peddled about Sissoko in the summer about him having a great tournament is coming back to haunt Poch. He ran alot and looked busy but his past months at Newcastle should have been enough to see through it. Newcastle were delighted to off load him.
Sissoko didn't have a great tournament but a great final. He conned Spurs proper into signing him.
 
It could have been an option for the EL - I don't know - but it wasn't for the CL:

"Ongoing construction work at White Hart Lane prevented the club from hosting their own home games this season. Tottenham lost 4,000 home seats in the North Stand to clear way for the construction of the club's new home being built adjacent to White Hart Lane, the 61,000-capacity ground scheduled to be ready for the start of the 2018-19 season. That loss meant Tottenham needed an alternative venue given Uefa's strict regulations regarding capacity and access for Champions League games."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-...e-europa-league-after-wembley-failure-1593263

Thanks for the reply & info.
 
More fantastic news - Vertonghen had been holding off signing for a while now so am very glad to hear this.

It is quite a short one though, only 2,5 years. When was his earlier one going to expire - 2018?
 
Well he is 29 years old so this will see him into his early 30's.

True, although centre halves can easily stay at the top till 33-35, depending on the player of course. In any case, a good move to secure him for a couple of seasons.
 
I do not rate Vertonghen, i think he is overrated in fact and a right snidey bastard. Alderweireld is very good though.

Kane is obviously very good as is Eriksen and Toby. Lloris is a very good GK - I also think Moussa Dembele technically is amazing, he is quality with the ball. Rest of the team are just meh. Son Heung min is having a good run at the moment, however.

Pochettino bought poorly, and Spurs will continue to struggle in Europe and not win the title until they stop their silly wage structure
 
I do not rate Vertonghen, i think he is overrated in fact and a right snidey bastard. Alderweireld is very good though.

Kane is obviously very good as is Eriksen and Toby. Lloris is a very good GK - I also think Moussa Dembele technically is amazing, he is quality with the ball. Rest of the team are just meh. Son Heung min is having a good run at the moment, however.

Pochettino bought poorly, and Spurs will continue to struggle in Europe and not win the title until they stop their silly wage structure

It is not silly, it is ensuring we do not bankrupt the club. We do not have the same financial resources of any of the 'top clubs'.
 
It is not silly, it is ensuring we do not bankrupt the club. We do not have the same financial resources of any of the 'top clubs'.
You need to loosen it if you ever want to compete in europe or win the league though.
 
You need to loosen it if you ever want to compete in europe or win the league though.

Like Leicester did? I can totally understand them keeping a tight budget with a new stadium on the horizon etc. Clearly, as they’ve been able to get Kane & Vertonghen to sign new contracts, they can offer their players enough. They do need to get their signings spot on. Another Wanyama-Janssen summer an they might drop off a few places, they need depth.
 
Like Leicester did?
Leicester was a freak. But in the summer they spent heavily for them, and i guarantee have massively upped their wage bill and theyre still in Europe?

They couldnt give 2 fecks about the league this year, why would they.
 
Like Leicester did? I can totally understand them keeping a tight budget with a new stadium on the horizon etc. Clearly, as they’ve been able to get Kane & Vertonghen to sign new contracts, they can offer their players enough. They do need to get their signings spot on. Another Wanyama-Janssen summer an they might drop off a few places, they need depth.
Janssen, Wanyama, Ben Davies, Trippier, Wimmer, Nkoudou, Njie. Not one of them would excite you as a Spurs fan. Utter rank. Need to aim for the upper tier players, just below the "elite" and to do that they have to be a bit more willing with wages.
 
Janssen, Wanyama, Ben Davies, Trippier, Wimmer, Nkoudou, Njie. Not one of them would excite you as a Spurs fan. Utter rank. Need to aim for the upper tier players, just below the "elite" and to do that they have to be a bit more willing with wages.

With a proper scouting you can definitely find gems from a tier below that mentioned level. It is true that they didn’t sign well at all this summer, or so it looks at the moment, and they can’t repeat that next summer. They also need to be able to keep all their top players, as replacing them with new ones is expensive and difficult. New contracts with Kane & Vertonghen is a good first step. Apart from Dembélé and Lloris every key player seems tied to at least 2020.
 
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Said it before, will say it again, bunch of fecking thugs, Pochettino is a cnut and literally everything about their team is detestable. Diving cnuts in Walker, Rose and Alli, mindless hacks of Dier and Dumblele and other detestable shite. They play like Stoke under Pulis with endless fouls and clowning, if Madley wasn't inept they wouldn't have finished this match with 11, not a fecking chance.
 
Said it before, will say it again, bunch of fecking thugs, Pochettino is a cnut and literally everything about their team is detestable. Diving cnuts in Walker, Rose and Alli, mindless hacks of Dier and Dumblele and other detestable shite. They play like Stoke under Pulis with endless fouls and clowning, if Madley wasn't inept they wouldn't have finished this match with 11, not a fecking chance.

It's disgusting how when things start going against they resort to physically trying to impair the other team. At least some of this has definitely got to be coming from the manager.
 
Wasn't Granit Xhaka sent off against Swansea for a tackle similar to Danny Rose's today? I can see why the Caf find Tottenham an unlikeable team.
 
Thought they performed alright but didn't offer anywhere near enough of a threat to De Gea's goal. A lot of nearly moments but if Kane's not playing well I think they lack a consistent threat up top.

I don't think they'll get top four.
 
Really not impressed by Spurs. They will definitely fall away. Easily the weakest squad and starting XI in the top 6.

Nope, nice attempt at being clever though.

Average attack, decent defence. Don't think you have enough to be honest. You didn't improve your starting XI despite finishing third in a two horse race.

I predict these tings.
 
Kane has been tripe every time I've watched him for months now. Didn't get a tap in or a pen today to hide another terrible performance.
 
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