Surely I am not the only one who kind of likes Spurs?
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IMO doing a combined 11, Spurs win 5-4. It's very close, Liverpool are far stronger in an attacking sense whilst Spurs are far stronger defensively.
Indeed they've been second best in every single game in Europe this season
I like them too. I don't really pay much attention to what the Spurs fans on here say though.
You’re not. Glaston likes them, too.
We dominated in Moscow, Still didn't play well mind.
They really are average aren't they? They caught teams off guard last season because of their high pressing but look incredibly ordinary now that everyone has sussed them out.
No Rose, Alderweireld & Lamela for the weekend. I'll be utterly shocked if they don't get battered. I suspect Hazard, Costa & co will be up for this one after their thuggery last season.
No Rose, Alderweireld & Lamela for the weekend. I'll be utterly shocked if they don't get battered. I suspect Hazard, Costa & co will be up for this one after their thuggery last season.
Do you really have to post this sort of thing just before we play them?
Spurs are a very good side.
Last season they didn't have champions league, They just don't have the squad to balance champions league and a title push
Moscow are truly terrible, I still can't believe how bad they are.
There was acutally 4 different winners for the 5 years after Liverpool last won it, you lot taking 2 and being second twice. Including the year prior we had won it twice and finished second twice. City if they win it this year will have won it 3 out of 6 years and then continue that with Pep. Chelsea will have won it 2 out of 3 years if they do it this year. So there could be a dominant team around the corner, we don't know right now.
As for United 'getting stronger and stronger', I actually thought you'd spent well and would win it this season, as I had in the past 3 seasons. I thought Ibrah, Pogba and more importantly from what I'd seen of Mkhitaryan I thought he'd be an absolute star. I thought DiMaria, Falcao, Herrera, Depay, Schneiderlin would all be very successful. Martial I rated more after the fact. You have a good base of players. But I don't think they're been made the best of by a long shot. Some players need patience and coaxing and that isn't something Mourinho does. For my money Mkhitayran is being criminally neglected, Martial too if he isn't injured and Schneiderlin is to a lesser extent. Even Depay could be a force off the bench.....I actually thought he was going to go onto be world class, shows what I know.
In terms of points I believe Mourinho is around the same level as Moyes. You could well gel as a team and finish really strong ofcourse.
Watching the future unfold it interesting, somethings completely unpredictable and other things very predictable.
Does anyone? I don't think it's possible to compete for both and it hasn't been possible since United made the final in 2011.
Maybe it's something to do with financial fair play but it feels like you have to prioritise either Europe or a domestic campaign. City and Liverpool both put a lot of effort into European competitions last season but neither finished in strongly in the league. Chelsea won the Champions League in 2012 but finished 6th in the league. Pochettino played second string teams in the Europa League so that Spurs could put everything into their Premier League campaign, and Leicester are currently just above the relegation zone but have comfortably qualified for the second round of the Champions League without really breaking a sweat.
It's hard to hit Tottenham with that stick when it's applicable to everyone and has been for a few years. I know for a fact that this current Liverpool squad would be lower in the table if we had European football as well.
You have pretty much avoided what I was saying. The fact is not one team has taken the opportunity to fill the void left by United with the league being that all over the place Leicester City won it.
In the meantime United are working to get things right and are improving. Not sure why you've listed Pogba and Herrera in your 'thought they'd be good' kind of segment either. They both ran rings around your midfield and defence at the weekend. Pogba is an absolute monster and Herrera is settling well in his new role under Mourinho. In addition I presume you didn't see Mkhitaryan's MOTM performance this evening - he'll be a big player for United. Don't be mistaken. With regards to Martial he's in bad form but that happens with players so young. I think people forget that with the impact he made when he first arrived.
I don't think anyone is going to fill that void Ferguson left behind. The way the money is spread about now means that most teams will give you a hard game, and the gap between the top and bottom of the league has reduced as far as quality is concerned. It's interesting that since Ferguson retired the team winning the league has pretty much fallen apart the following season. United in 13/14, City in 14/15, Chelsea in 15/16 and now Leicester (at least domestically) in 16/17.
I agree that United are gradually improving under Mourinho but then Chelsea and Liverpool both look excellent, and City have looked more impressive than United so far. It's completely up in the air at the moment but I don't think United should be considered as the team to become the dominant force in the league going forward based on what we've seen this season. It's possible that they could but then I think there's an argument to be made for a couple of the other sides making up the current top six. Personally I don't think it will happen, and we'll have a few more years of seeing the title change hands each season.
I'm curious to see what happens to Spurs in the next few years. Will they drop back or solidify their position as a top four side? Hard to tell at the moment.
I wasn't knocking either, both good players, I just expected it you to be challenging for a title as a result, was that point I was making. No I didn't see the match good for him, was beggining to feel sorry for him, as rich as he is.
It's very interesting. United can blame Fergie leaving/Moyes arriving, City I'm not sure what happened to them but they were second (albeit a good eight points off the top) so Mourinho's Chelsea were just better, before falling apart completely in 15/16 and now Leicester have struggled battling on two fronts with a small squad (you could also argue they had a wonder season and have dropped back to their level, as patronising as it sounds). I wouldn't say there's one cause that unifies all these poor title defences; while the league has got more competitive it doesn't explain just how poor the champions were the following season (barring perhaps City who at least were the best of the rest).
On topic this seeming inability of the champions to mount a decent title defence should bode well for Spurs and Arsenal, however judging by their respective sticky patches I would put their chances this season below those of Chelsea, City and Liverpool.
In many aspects we were much better this evening, still not quite on it but some positive signs in the 3 London derbies.
I have a feeling we could be about to hit our straps.
I have a feeling we could be about to hit our straps.
Wondered if Tottenham were actually going to lose a game for a while, especially until the 44th min!
Will be interesting to see if Tottenham defeats are like London buses!
Will be interesting to see if Tottenham defeats are like London buses!
Spurs have a good first 11 and probably 13 quality players , beyond that it is just a bunch of academy players and some bang average players . When you play such a high energy brand of football and you are in the PL & Cl you need a way bigger squad. Chelsea had Willian and Oscar to bring on while Spurs had absolutely nothing on the bench. Some Spurs fans can argue till the end about it but the fact remains that Spurs effed up the transfer window . Please don't reply to this by telling me how shit United are because I already know that.
They just don't have the squad to cope with CL football and PL. So far last summer signings look poor.
At least from now on they can just do what they done last season-concentrate on the league and play a second string in the Europa league.
Thing is they like us badly need European ranking points to avoid pot 3 status if they make the CL next season so its a bit of a vicious circle.
At least from now on they can just do what they done last season-concentrate on the league and play a second string in the Europa league.
Thing is they like us badly need European ranking points to avoid pot 3 status if they make the CL next season so its a bit of a vicious circle.
Beyond all doubt on what we have seen of the new players so far.
Since that win against City they have won 1 out of 10 in all competitions. Even that one win against West Ham came with two late goals
What makes you think this?
Everybody knew this guy only shows up for like 2 or 4 games a year. A real blockbuster on his day, Spurs couldn't resist.
They've been a little unlucky with the bigger signings this season not really improving their first XI. I'm pretty sure they've got kids in their youth system who would have done better than Sissoko and Janssen.
Wanyama is a very good player but I probably would not have him in my first choice Spurs XI.
Wanyama is a very good player but I probably would not have him in my first choice Spurs XI.
They actually had the basis of a very good squad last season but they cocked up the summer window pretty spectacularly. I don't understand how you can spend £70m odd without buying anyone of first team quality.
It's easy to do, trust me.
Aye, think everton will be pleased they dodged that particular bullet.
I read that according to Pochettino Spurs have the next Messi. Mark Edwards, I think he said.? Anyone got details of this youth player ?
It's Marcus Edwards and as usual it's a media misquote.
This kid has a real chance to be a bit out of the normal for an English player, he's without doubt technically very gifted, it remains to be seen if he has the other tools to make it big.
Its Marcus Edwards. I think Poch said Edwards reminds him of Messi, probably because he is short, has a quick burst when dribbling, and is left footed. That is very different than him being the "next Messi."
We've been in a very poor run of form let alone results, however in the last couple of weeks I thought we were the better side at Arsenal, squeezed an admittedly undeserved win against West Ham and I thought today that we started to get some of our front foot aggression back.
Chelsea fans will deny it because it embarrasses them but our last 3 games have been against teams for who we are their biggest London derbies. That's never going to be an easy run and now that we are out of the CL I just have a feeling that we are going to pick up our game quite a bit.
Spurs played really well in the first half today and should have gone in with the lead . There is a lot to like about the team and you can definitely finish 4th imo
Think he said he was 17 years old. If so,do you expect to see him get a 1st team outing this season ?
Not sure why you think that would embarrass Chelsea fans. It's not a secret that Arse and West Ham want to beat you even more than "we" (speaking on behalf of all Chelsea fans) do.
You're not my most disliked London side by the way (not that you care!), you're probably 3rd of the shit list.
I wouldnt call it unlucky. Theyve bought a load of rubbish imo. Janssen and Sissoko are both terrible and they haven't really improved their squad when they were in an ideal position to do so. They shouldnt have bothered with sissoko or Wanyama and gone for a bit of extra class (god knows who).
They should have gone for Sadio Mane, they had the advantage of CL football over Liverpool and when you see how much they shelled out for Sisssoko it's quite baffling really.
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