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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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I think that's goto be massively wrong, our (Arsenal's) highest wage is Ozil around 140k, where as United have Rooney on 300k, Ibrah around the same, Pogba around the same, Miki 0n 200k, Mata on 200k, Schweini 200k, De Gea 200k, Schneiderlin on 100k, Young on 100k+++ .....yet Arsenal are near the same wages? Really?
Why stop there? Maybe you could do with adding 50 k more everywhere?
Rooney is on 250 k, Mata on 150 k. Also doubt you got the figures for Mikhi and others right. Young on 100 k is right, well done there.
 
Have to admit I didn't think they'd repeat last seasons success which is actually silly because they're very well drilled and coached and despite missing out on the title to Leicester, they're better shaped for the long run but you know they're Spurs and you just expect them to Spurs.

They started last season similarly, quietly getting points before dismantling City (4-1 last time, think it was city's first, maybe second loss last year too)then people started taking them seriously. Looks like history repeating.
 
Credit where credit is due, I think the second half was more impressive than the first for me. The way they completely shut City out (bar the Ihenacho 1 on 1), that took some doing. City were very poor defensively today, though. Without De Bruyne it seems to fall apart for them going forward.

I think Spurs atm look to be very big title contenders, but I think Xmas with the champions league and cup games picking up, it will be the biggest test for them with that high intensity game. They were very much on the wane physically, in that second half, but dug in tremendously well.

I have to say, what Sissoko lacks in ability, he makes up for in running and defensive contribution. Not 30m by any stretch, but a very effective player to have bought in this system.

For all the positive performances out there today (Both cbs imperious, Wanyama, Son, Alli, Lloris bar his kicking) in the Spurs side, Eriksen was really poor. He really needs to start showing up consistently if he ever wants to be a real elite player.

Congrats on the start, I can only hope we just turn you over both times we meet ;)
 
Gotta love this thread.

Get a good result so everyone can pour in with backhanded compliments.
 
Pretty awesome performance, considering Aguero was back. I did have Aguero and Sterling in my fantasy team and decided not to take Son for this week. Maybe it's all down to me.
 
Credit where credit is due, I think the second half was more impressive than the first for me. The way they completely shut City out (bar the Ihenacho 1 on 1), that took some doing. City were very poor defensively today, though. Without De Bruyne it seems to fall apart for them going forward.

I think Spurs atm look to be very big title contenders, but I think Xmas with the champions league and cup games picking up, it will be the biggest test for them with that high intensity game. They were very much on the wane physically, in that second half, but dug in tremendously well.

I have to say, what Sissoko lacks in ability, he makes up for in running and defensive contribution. Not 30m by any stretch, but a very effective player to have bought in this system.

For all the positive performances out there today (Both cbs imperious, Wanyama, Son, Alli, Lloris bar his kicking) in the Spurs side, Eriksen was really poor. He really needs to start showing up consistently if he ever wants to be a real elite player.

Congrats on the start, I can only hope we just turn you over both times we meet ;)

We don't play with that intensity every week, we did yesterday because that was what was required to beat City.

Although we are always one of the teams that covers the most ground we don't usually have to do it with that pace.

Liverpool regularly play with more intensity than we do, I think this is an area we have improved in, our ability to play differently and also to play in different gears during games.
 
We don't play with that intensity every week, we did yesterday because that was what was required to beat City.

Although we are always one of the teams that covers the most ground we don't usually have to do it with that pace.

Liverpool regularly play with more intensity than we do, I think this is an area we have improved in, our ability to play differently and also to play in different gears during games.

I know you don't play that week in week out, but the further you get in competitions you'd have to possibly play back to back games like that to win was my point.

I do agree with your point about the ability to play differently against different teams. You seem to be able to dispatch lesser teams without hitting that top gear, which is impressive.
 
So far we've matched our points total from the same/equivalent games last season. But the next fixture - away to WBA - gives the chance to go 2 up on that, as we only drew there last season.

After beating City we remain 5 points better off this time after Game Week 7 than last season, but this will go up to 7 points better off after Game Week 8 if we beat WBA.
 
I still think they'll struggle to finish top 4.

City have been massively over-rated by everyone thus far so I wouldn't look too much into the weekend's result (by the same token, if Celtic were in the PL, I doubt anyone would expect even a top 4 finish from them and they matched City - a less tired City no less).

I think Spurs will struggle to keep up with City, Liverpool, United and Arsenal over the season and they'll finish 5.

They're a decent team though, and I really like Pochettino as a manager.
 
I still think they'll struggle to finish top 4.

City have been massively over-rated by everyone thus far so I wouldn't look too much into the weekend's result (by the same token, if Celtic were in the PL, I doubt anyone would expect even a top 4 finish from them and they matched City - a less tired City no less).

I think Spurs will struggle to keep up with City, Liverpool, United and Arsenal over the season and they'll finish 5.

They're a decent team though, and I really like Pochettino as a manager.

Well fair enough but there is no evidence at the moment to suggest Spurs will not be able to 'keep up' with any of those teams - particularly since those other teams (bar City) currently are hoping to 'keep up' with Spurs.

City will bounce back and have to be favorites to win the league - Arsenal look strong (despite having a couple of extremely lucky decisions go for them already this season) and should be in top 3 - Liverpool are very effective going forward but do not have a solid enough defence imo to mount a serious title challenge, top 5 for them imo. United have yet to gel and are dropping valuable points right now which will cost them.

Realistically (very early days of course) - if you judged the teams on how things are panning out at this early stage in the season then I would expect City, Spurs and Arsenal to fight it out in top 3, Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea to fight it out for 4th place.

Lots can and will change though of course - I disagree about Spurs finishing 5th though, last season we were in the top 3 and we look probably better now than we did then.
 
Well fair enough but there is no evidence at the moment to suggest Spurs will not be able to 'keep up' with any of those teams - particularly since those other teams (bar City) currently are hoping to 'keep up' with Spurs.

City will bounce back and have to be favorites to win the league - Arsenal look strong (despite having a couple of extremely lucky decisions go for them already this season) and should be in top 3 - Liverpool are very effective going forward but do not have a solid enough defence imo to mount a serious title challenge, top 5 for them imo. United have yet to gel and are dropping valuable points right now which will cost them.

Realistically (very early days of course) - if you judged the teams on how things are panning out at this early stage in the season then I would expect City, Spurs and Arsenal to fight it out in top 3, Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea to fight it out for 4th place.

Lots can and will change though of course - I disagree about Spurs finishing 5th though, last season we were in the top 3 and we look probably better now than we did then.

Your intensity will fade as the season goes on and you don't have the quality within your squad to rotate and stay at the highest level.

I think CL will really take it's toll on you coupled with the demands of trying to mount another title push.

Lets remember that last season you actually ended up finishing below Arsenal, and no-one really views them as last season's title challengers.

In many ways, the bottle job you pulled last season is being glossed over - especially since you didn't have CL football to deal with last season.
 
Your intensity will fade as the season goes on and you don't have the quality within your squad to rotate and stay at the highest level.

I think CL will really take it's toll on you coupled with the demands of trying to mount another title push.

Lets remember that last season you actually ended up finishing below Arsenal, and no-one really views them as last season's title challengers.

In many ways, the bottle job you pulled last season is being glossed over - especially since you didn't have CL football to deal with last season.

I think the fact we are playing so well without 2 of our absolutely key players from last season (Kane and Dembele) proves that we now have the strength in depth in our squad that was lacking last season. You may not view Arsenal as last season's title challengers but I think most people would see a team that finished 2nd as a title challenging team - no idea what you are on about there.

We had no CL football to deal with last season but we did have EL football - also we just played in Moscow last week (and won) then came back and faced the most highly rated team in the Premiership and beat them, so far so good I'd say.

I can't deny that we did fall apart at the end of last season but I put that down to our team having a lot of young and relatively inexperienced players. Fingers crossed we have learnt from that. I think we have got over last season's disappointment already though and we look more confident as a result.
 
... City have been massively over-rated by everyone thus far so I wouldn't look too much into the weekend's result (by the same token, if Celtic were in the PL, I doubt anyone would expect even a top 4 finish from them and they matched City - a less tired City no less)....

Celtic only drew with City, whilst Spurs beat them convincingly: would have been 3 - 0 if not for the missed pen.
 
References to 20 (or 10) years ago are irrelevant. It's clear that Spurs have been steadily improving for some while now, culminating in a 3rd place finish last season. This season we have kicked on further IMO, as evidenced by our best ever start to a Prem season, our unbeaten status, that we've not yet conceded even 1 goal from open play, our win today and the fact that we're currently just 1 point off the top.

So I don't regard Spurs as 'overachieving' - we are where we are because the team's normal and potential level of achievement has risen significantly.
you're simply not able to be classed as a 'top team' - like you'e claimed - after one top four finish in the poorest PL campaign ever, and a good start to the next season. Neither Dortmund nor Atletico were considered top teams for years until they were actually successful by beating out the likes of Bayern and Barca to titles, and getting to European finals. Only now are Atletico regarded as a truly top team because they've done it consistently for years now. You'll be a 'top team' when you actually win something. Right now you're sort of a ... really promising team who might win something.
 
you're simply not able to be classed as a 'top team' - like you'e claimed - after one top four finish in the poorest PL campaign ever, and a good start to the next season. Neither Dortmund nor Atletico were considered top teams for years until they were actually successful by beating out the likes of Bayern and Barca to titles, and getting to European finals. Only now are Atletico regarded as a truly top team because they've done it consistently for years now. You'll be a 'top team' when you actually win something. Right now you're sort of a ... really promising team who might win something.

Compared with how Spurs have been viewed for the last almost 40 years of supporting them I'll take that every day lol
 
you're simply not able to be classed as a 'top team' - like you'e claimed - after one top four finish in the poorest PL campaign ever, and a good start to the next season. Neither Dortmund nor Atletico were considered top teams for years until they were actually successful by beating out the likes of Bayern and Barca to titles, and getting to European finals. Only now are Atletico regarded as a truly top team because they've done it consistently for years now. You'll be a 'top team' when you actually win something. Right now you're sort of a ... really promising team who might win something.


Are Leicester a top team?
 
@GlastonSpur must be the most smug person on the planet right now. I told everyone Spurs had the most solid team in the League but were just lacking a "star". Son has been playing like that so far this season.
 
@GlastonSpur must be the most smug person on the planet right now. I told everyone Spurs had the most solid team in the League but were just lacking a "star". Son has been playing like that so far this season.

Son is a Star, I see what you did there.
 
No. Leicester had a freak season. If they somehow continue like that for a few years though (unlikely) they will be.

So even if you win the Premiership you are not a top team? Crieky I think your argument is a bit wobbly. (Not saying I disagree just pointing out that it's not just about winning things to be seen as a top team imo).

But yes, Spurs still have a lot to prove but I'm getting optimistic that we have the potential to improve which is half the battle. We might not see the full potential for another 2/3 years given the ages of many of the players. It's an exciting time to be a Spurs fan.
 
So even if you win the Premiership you are not a top team? Crieky I think your argument is a bit wobbly. (Not saying I disagree just pointing out that it's not just about winning things to be seen as a top team imo).

But yes, Spurs still have a lot to prove but I'm getting optimistic that we have the potential to improve which is half the battle. We might not see the full potential for another 2/3 years given the ages of many of the players. It's an exciting time to be a Spurs fan.
Come on - Leicester last season were a total freak occurrence.

For me a 'top team' is a team that delivers consistently year on year. It's why, despite our illustrious past, we're definitely not a top team right now. It's why, despite your current form, you're not a top team yet. it's why Atletico have become a top team in the last few years.
 
Come on - Leicester last season were a total freak occurrence.

For me a 'top team' is a team that delivers consistently year on year. It's why, despite our illustrious past, we're definitely not a top team right now. It's why, despite your current form, you're not a top team yet. it's why Atletico have become a top team in the last few years.

Then by that logic no team currently in the Premiership is a top team. Probably accurate tbf, especially if you consider the performances of Premiership teams in European competition in past few years.
 
Who cares if anybody thinks we or indeed anybody else are a top team or not? It's actually quite funny that people must look at the table and think to themselves they're a top team, they're not and neither are they and not are they, they might be but I'm not entirely sure, or am I, yep they're not a top team either.

Like it matters one jot as to where anybody will finish.

We are what we are and we play against clubs who are what they are, right now we can compete at least with most if not yet all of the domestic sides.
 
I really rate Spurs at the moment as title challengers, & amazed so many on here don't think they will get top four, but think our moribund team will.
 
Some value at 9-1 for the title. They have a good team with no real weaknesses and decent backups. Maybe lacking sparkle but so were Leicester.
 
Your intensity will fade as the season goes on and you don't have the quality within your squad to rotate and stay at the highest level.

I think CL will really take it's toll on you coupled with the demands of trying to mount another title push.

Lets remember that last season you actually ended up finishing below Arsenal, and no-one really views them as last season's title challengers.

In many ways, the bottle job you pulled last season is being glossed over - especially since you didn't have CL football to deal with last season.
Don't have the quality within the squad?

Aren't we picking up these results without some of our best players? Like Kane, Dembele, Dier, and Rose.
 
Come on - Leicester last season were a total freak occurrence.

For me a 'top team' is a team that delivers consistently year on year. It's why, despite our illustrious past, we're definitely not a top team right now. It's why, despite your current form, you're not a top team yet. it's why Atletico have become a top team in the last few years.

So are there any top teams in the EPL then?
 
Come on - Leicester last season were a total freak occurrence.

For me a 'top team' is a team that delivers consistently year on year. It's why, despite our illustrious past, we're definitely not a top team right now. It's why, despite your current form, you're not a top team yet. it's why Atletico have become a top team in the last few years.

A team that has won it's countries title once in past 15 years and the Europa League 6 years ago is a 'top team' yet Leicester aren't because it was a freak league win? Your logic is all over the place.
 
A team that has won it's countries title once in past 15 years and the Europa League 6 years ago is a 'top team' yet Leicester aren't because it was a freak league win? Your logic is all over the place.

If anyone's logic is all over the place it's surely not spanner's.
 
Spurs won over four relegation candidates, drew against Liverpool at home, and at Everton away. And then won over City at home. So they did the job against the smaller teams, and got an impressive result against City.

Spurs look good at the moment, and are headed for top4, but I wouldn't say it is nailed on for them, because of a win at home over City. Lets see, how it pans out, when they are tested more against the better teams, especially away from home.
 
Spurs won over four relegation candidates, drew against Liverpool at home, and at Everton away. And then won over City at home. So they did the job against the smaller teams, and got an impressive result against City.

Spurs look good at the moment, and are headed for top4, but I wouldn't say it is nailed on for them, because of a win at home over City. Lets see, how it pans out, when they are tested more against the better teams, especially away from home.

Palace look to be doing pretty well?

4-0 at Stoke is always going to be an impressive result as they will give plenty of teams problems home and away.

But I do agree that it's essentially very early days, if we can do well over the next 3 games the first NLD could be epic!
 
Palace look to be doing pretty well?

4-0 at Stoke is always going to be an impressive result as they will give plenty of teams problems home and away.

But I do agree that it's essentially very early days, if we can do well over the next 3 games the first NLD could be epic!
They look ok. Didn't have Benteke at the time though, and looked shit at the time. You won 1-0 at home, and 1-0 at home vs. Sunderland too.. I don't think you look that consistent, but a win is a win, and your defense look to be the real deal. And I agree.. 4-0 at Stoke was an impressive result too.

Still, like you say, it's early days. You're doing well, and I understand your optimism, but I'm not sure yet, how strong you are. If I were to predict top4 right now, you would be in it, but it changes all the time.
 
I think his logic is utterly flawed basing a teams strength on reputation rather than results.

I think it's flawed in the point of thinking one team is a top team and another is not, it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to what is happening on the pitch.
 
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