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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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Archie Leach said:
Was there any truth to the Max Meyer rumours? That kid is going to be a star and would've been a good pick up.
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Can't see Bayern letting him leave Germany.
KM said:
Sissoko for 30m is laughable. What a ridiculous deal.
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Yep. There's just far too much money in the PL for the fees to make sense anymore which is why I said during the pogba/mkhi deals that it's all about how these players do. The fees paid will seem nothing in the next few years if they do well.
 
roonster09 said:
It's good at least some club took advantage of Spurs panic buying. 30 Million for Sissoko is a great deal for Newcastle.

I don't think he will be a starter, he isn't better than what they have. They left it too late and paid the price.
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When the first choice player, (Isco) falls through, you then move on to the second choice. That is not panic buying, it's what all clubs do.
 
Archie Leach said:
Was there any truth to the Max Meyer rumours? That kid is going to be a star and would've been a good pick up.
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I think there was probably interest but no bids made. The price Schalke 04 were asking was 38 mill Euros, too much for a 20 year old. If spurs were serious they could have negotiated a deal for Mayer at the same time the Benteleb negotiations were ongoing.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
When the first choice player, (Isco) falls through, you then move on to the second choice. That is not panic buying, it's what all clubs do.
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Leaving till the deadline for no reason and matching the bid made by Everton is panic buying. If not you could have given Isco deadline and signed Sissoko long before.
 
balaks said:
The fee is crazy but that's the market now sadly. I'm very happy with this window tbh.
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This is what many said when Chelsea signed Kante that the market is inflated so Chelsea are getting bargain in Kante. Glaston said we are all hyped by Pogba deal and 30 million is still a big fee.

I agree with you though, even small clubs are paying big price so 30 million is sort of normal fee.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Every Newcastle fan seems delighted to get rid of him. Seems like most would've happily driven him to another club for free. Amazing deal for them.
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The Sissoko we saw in the Euro's is brilliant...a beast of a player who is hard to contain and scores and creates goals all day long. Annoyingly that version rarely shows up in the Premiership unless there is a tournament or transfer window coming up.
 
roonster09 said:
Leaving till the deadline for no reason and matching the bid made by Everton is panic buying. If not you could have given Isco deadline and signed Sissoko long before.
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Well that's the problem with making assumptions about a situation you know nothing about. You make yourself look silly. It wasn't a case of giving Isco a deadline, he agreed to come, terms with Real and Isco were all sorted, then he changed his mind with very little time left.
 
I think Sissoko can prove to be a good buy. Not many players would be motivated to play to their real form at Newcastle :lol:
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Well that's the problem with making assumptions about a situation you know nothing about. You make yourself look silly. It wasn't a case of giving Isco a deadline, he agreed to come, terms with Real and Isco were all sorted, then he changed his mind with very little time left.
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You had 3 months to sign a deal, it's not like Spurs had just 1-2 days to sign a player. Ofcourse you are also making assumptions regarding first choice, second choice. If Spurs made bid earlier they would have had room for negotiations. Once Everton made 30 Million bid, Spurs had no choice.

You left it too late with Isco deal and then paid the price.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Well that's the problem with making assumptions about a situation you know nothing about. You make yourself look silly. It wasn't a case of giving Isco a deadline, he agreed to come, terms with Real and Isco were all sorted, then he changed his mind with very little time left.
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Doesn't really make sense. Isco was just a one year loan deal.

You don't get rejected from a one year loan deal and go spend £30m on a Championship player.

Unless you're panicking.
 
roonster09 said:
You had 3 months to sign a deal, it's not like Spurs had just 1-2 days to sign a player. Ofcourse you are also making assumptions regarding first choice, second choice. If Spurs made bid earlier they would have had room for negotiations. Once Everton made 30 Million bid, Spurs had no choice.

You left it too late with Isco deal and then paid the price.
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Aren't you making assumptions that Sissoko was high up in the pecking order for them to have to bid earlier?


He might have been the last choice target.
 
roonster09 said:
You had 3 months to sign a deal, it's not like Spurs had just 1-2 days to sign a player. Ofcourse you are also making assumptions regarding first choice, second choice. If Spurs made bid earlier they would have had room for negotiations. Once Everton made 30 Million bid, Spurs had no choice.

You left it too late with Isco deal and then paid the price.
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Whatever you say mate. You've got it wrong again but I'm not going to argue with you.
 
Marching said:
The Sissoko we saw in the Euro's is brilliant...a beast of a player who is hard to contain and scores and creates goals all day long. Annoyingly that version rarely shows up in the Premiership unless there is a tournament or transfer window coming up.
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Ahh, the Adebayor Effect™
 
Kraftwerker said:
Doesn't really make sense. Isco was just a one year loan deal.

You don't get rejected from a one year loan deal and go spend £30m on a Championship player.

Unless you're panicking.
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It wasn't a one year loan deal, it was originally going to be a one year loan with option to buy. Big difference.
 
Tottenham haven't added a single player this window who is better then the current players they have in that position... in fact, arguably, they haven't added anyone who is better then the best 2 players they have in that position (apart from Janssen, but that's because they literally have one striker in Harry Kane).

They needed to add bodies due to CL football and all that, but shouldn't they have been looking to add extra quality over what they already have?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Tottenham haven't added a single player this window who is better then the current players they have in that position... in fact, arguably, they haven't added anyone who is better then the best 2 players they have in that position (apart from Janssen, but that's because they literally have one striker in Harry Kane).

They needed to add bodies due to CL football and all that, but shouldn't they have been looking to add extra quality over what they already have?
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So Wanyama and Sissoko are not better than Carroll, Winks and Onomah? Ok mate.
 
AR87 said:
You got 70 points last year. The only reason they took you to the next level is because the biggest clubs crapped the bed last season.

09/10: 70 points
10/11: 62 points
11/12: 69 points
12/13: 72 points
13/14: 69 points
14/15: 64 points
15/16: 70 points

Your argument would likely be that considering the age of the squad that it's likely your players will develop and progress to be better than they were last year, but growth is not always linear. It doesn't seem like to me that you added players to the squad who will genuinely challenge your starters and potentially improve your starting XI this season. Maybe it will happen in a year or two from now, but who knows how different players will feel about remaining at the club if you don't get top 4 and bigger clubs that can offer better wages come knocking.

Spurs are a good team, but this summer feels like a lost opportunity to capitalize on a promising foundation with CL football to offer and at a time when the big clubs were perhaps at their most vulnerable.
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I don't really see what any of that has to do with the point I made.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Whatever you say mate. You've got it wrong again but I'm not going to argue with you.
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How can you be certain that you are correct about the assumptions you've made? He may well have got it wrong, and you may well have got it wrong, too. How you can speak with such conviction about information that is not made public is beyond me.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Whatever you say mate. You've got it wrong again but I'm not going to argue with you.
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Got it wrong? This is the classic case of panic signing. Player not linked with the club at all, failed to sign other players and just made big bid in the last hours to add to the team.


VP89 said:
Aren't you making assumptions that Sissoko was high up in the pecking order for them to have to bid earlier?


He might have been the last choice target.
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High up or not, you move on when the first choice player isn't making decision. So they were played nicely by Isco and they were left with no choice but to make bigger bid for a player. Retaining Chadli would have been better decision than signing Sissoko.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Take away Wanyama and Sissoko who were bought this summer and Carroll, Winks and Onomah would have been backups for Dier and Dembele.
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That's not the point I'm making... the point is none of the players you've bought are better then either a) the best player in that position or b) the second best player in that position (bar striker).

Like I said, there was a clear need to add bodies, but there was also a need to improve the first XI in some way, and I don't think you've done that.
 
roonster09 said:
Got it wrong? This is the classic case of panic signing. Player not linked with the club at all, failed to sign other players and just made big bid in the last hours to add to the team.




High up or not, you move on when the first choice player isn't making decision. So they were played nicely by Isco and they were left with no choice but to make bigger bid for a player. Retaining Chadli would have been better decision than signing Sissoko.
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So you're saying that Isco deliberately set out to mess spurs about? Why the hell would he do that? Terms were agreed with him and his club, he went to all that trouble just to "play spurs nicely". What utter rubbish.
 
I like Wanwama but think id rather have Carroll than Sissoko. No idea about Winks and Onomah (did he come on the other day for them with that haircut? If so, he was shite).
 
Annihilate Now! said:
That's not the point I'm making... the point is none of the players you've bought are better then either a) the best player in that position or b) the second best player in that position (bar striker).

Like I said, there was a clear need to add bodies, but there was also a need to improve the first XI in some way, and I don't think you've done that.
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Yes it is the point you were making. Without Wanyama, the second player in that position after Dier would be either Carrol or Winks. Without Sissoko, the second player in that position would be either Carroll or Onomah.
 
VanGaalEra said:
I do wish they strengthened a bit more, would prefer them to eek out Liverpool and Arsenal (would be nice to see the meltdown) for 4th.
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Come on guys, I get being confident and all, but the season is 3 games in.

Yeah, City/United/Chelsea are looking strong, but all of them have won a game or 2 by the skin of their teeth. It could easily have been a draw or 2 for them as well. Very early days. I understand those are the type of games you need to win (injury time winners, winning whilst not playing at 100%) but there's still no guarantee those 3 teams will end up 1,2,3.
 
duffer said:
I like Wanwama but think id rather have Carroll than Sissoko. No idea about Winks and Onomah (did he come on the other day for them with that haircut? If so, he was shite).
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If you would rather have Carroll than Sissoko then I'm glad you're not spurs manager. :)
 
Ish said:
Come on guys, I get being confident and all, but the season is 3 games in.

Yeah, City/United/Chelsea are looking strong, but all of them have won a game or 2 by the skin of their teeth. It could easily have been a draw or 2 for them as well. Very early days. I understand those are the type of games you need to win (injury time winners, winning whilst not playing at 100%) but there's still no guarantee those 3 teams will end up 1,2,3.
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No guarantee of course, they are looking the strongest though. Spurs' only win was also skin of the teeth stuff. It's just nice to have that lead and cushion on Pool/Ars & Spurs.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Yes it is the point you were making. Without Wanyama, the second player in that position after Dier would be either Carrol or Winks. Without Sissoko, the second player in that position would be either Carroll or Onomah.
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... Your best DM/CM's are Dier and Mousa Dembele... your best CM's are Dembele and Alli... your best AM's are Alli and Eriksen
 
VanGaalEra said:
No guarantee of course, they are looking the strongest though. Spurs' only win was also skin of the teeth stuff. It's just nice to have that lead and cushion on Pool/Ars & Spurs.
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Yeah agreed. But at this early stage, those leads could evaporate in a week or 2.

I agree, positive signs. We're picking up the points is all that matters. We can just hope the performances will come.

Tbh, I can't see 1 of the 3 at the top not being champions come May, but so much will still change at the top, especially the top 4 still.

Everyone still has a lot of difficult games to come.

Exciting season ahead.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
... Your best DM/CM's are Dier and Mousa Dembele... your best CM's are Dembele and Alli... your best AM's are Alli and Eriksen
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Dier and Dembele are two different positions and have distinctly different roles. Alli is not a CM. Wanyama was bought for Dier's position, Sissoko will rotate in Dembele's position, both are better than Carroll, Winks and Onomah as I said originally.
 
Ish said:
Yeah agreed. But at this early stage, those leads could evaporate in a week or 2.

I agree, positive signs. We're picking up the points is all that matters. We can just hope the performances will come.

Tbh, I can't see 1 of the 3 at the top not being champions come May, but so much will still change at the top, especially the top 4 still.

Everyone still has a lot of difficult games to come.

Exciting season ahead.
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It's true, I remember thinking around mid October last season that with Chelsea and Pool having such bad starts to the season, top 4 should have been fine.
 
Vicar of Dibbly said:
Dier and Dembele are two different positions and have distinctly different roles. Alli is not a CM. Wanyama was bought for Dier's position, Sissoko will rotate in Dembele's position, both are better than Carroll, Winks and Onomah as I said originally.
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I would rather have Demebele as my DM then Wanyama (though that one's close), and I would rather have Ali as a CM then Sissoko every single day... but that's because I don't think Sissoko is very good at all.
 
VanGaalEra said:
No guarantee of course, they are looking the strongest though. Spurs' only win was also skin of the teeth stuff. It's just nice to have that lead and cushion on Pool/Ars & Spurs.
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Man City won their first 5 games by big margins last season, everybody said they would run away with the league title.
 
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