Just tougher than your lot
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Dembele seems pretty important to Spurs (and Kane):
I replied in kind to yours.
I don't really see what's wrong with his response. You reeled off a list of teams the top three had 'only' faced, including Burnley.
It isn't a foregone conclusion that any of these teams will be beaten, as proven by your own team.
No you didn't. You made a stupid point dismissing the starts made by United, Chelsea and City.
I objected to that point by saying that you've already beaten by Burnley which means where wins are nothing to be scoffed off.
Yes, I did. Regardless, we could have lost 10-0 and my point would still stand (and it was hardly a dismissal, but you can debate semantics alone if you like). Burnley are expected to be fighting relegation and I guess you may be alone in thinking they are a tough team, our result doesn't negate that, so in fact far from being stupid it's in fact pretty accurate and most people would agree. Needing 3 points for the title ? A home match against Burnley would be right up there as the match of choice.
I thought Spurs looked better without Kane but they still seem to be rolling from that Chelski defeat back at the end of last season. There was none of that authority through the spine they showed that carried them through games. If the Dippers had been a better side they could have finished off Spurs. I am not sure a flake like Zaha is the answer.
They've had a better start than last season, right? Think they had a real slow start last season and consider in they've already been to Everton and played Liverpool, it's a decent start.
But big teams who lost points last season are not dropping this season or at least in the first 3 games.
For example ManUtd lost against Bournemouth away, southampton home and Norwich(promoted via playoffs) away last season but this season they won 9 points against same teams.
City lost against west ham home, stoke away last season but this season they got 6 points from same fixtures.
Chelsea drew west ham home, drew Watford away, lost to Bournemouth home but this season they got 9 points from these fixtures.
So all the 3 clubs have improved on last season points as per corresponding fixtures.
It's three games. Weren't we top of the league at the end of September while Spurs drew half of their games up to that point?
League table is irrelevant until October IMO anyway. I'm sure Spurs are satisfied with the start considering the performances weren't too good. The points differential can easily be made up.
I'm not checking the league table or using the point really. I'm pointing out how 3 clubs who finished below have made the ground by gaining points in the games they lost last season.
Why would you play Dier AND Wanyama?
Because -
A) Dembele is suspended
B) There isn't currently a better alternative but hopefully that is being addressed.
Points and tables are irrelevant. At this stage of the season its how teams have come back from the summer and how flowing their movement is. Chelsea and City have shown the best movement, whereas United are a little stoccato but all three are far head of the other teams thus far. The Dippers have no staying power or defence, Spurs have a spine dominated by one player, while Stoke looks broken and most likely for relegation.
Without Kane Spurs looked fluid, shifting the ball around with speed and accuracy. He's been burdened with the pressure and his form has dipped. He has looked well off the mark since the end of last season. They don't need Zaha, they need an alternative target man to change their game. They fought their way back against the Dippers after they looked finished. They have the potential to be a good side and I expect them to be a hard opponent for us this season.
Without Kane Spurs looked fluid, shifting the ball around with speed and accuracy. He's been burdened with the pressure and his form has dipped. He has looked well off the mark since the end of last season. They don't need Zaha, they need an alternative target man to change their game. They fought their way back against the Dippers after they looked finished. They have the potential to be a good side and I expect them to be a hard opponent for us this season.
Where is Mason? Eriksen could play CM?
Wanyama and Dier is far too defensive, both are ball winners and offer zero creativity to feed Kane, Alli etc.
I still think it's a Pre Season issue with Spurs. They simply didn't give enough minutes to their key players during Pre Season and they all look rusty as feck. No shock they've had a slow start to the season.
The Chelsea "defeat" was actually a draw, but anyway the importance of Dembele is exactly why all the spurs fans on here have been saying how important he is. In spite of numerous Man Utd fans saying he's "over rated".....he isn't !! As for Zaha, he is young and he undoubtedly has talent, he just doesn't use it to best effect. Ferguson obviously saw it, and I guess Poch does also, and thinks he can coach him into using his talent more productively.
Mason is on the transfer list and a move to Hull looks imminent. Eriksen is not ideal to play in the midfield pivot and if he did, who replaces him in the 3 behind the striker? We need more players in, several have moved out and hopefully will be replaced before the window closes.
Draw but it became your biggest defeat and Spurs have still not recovered. Zaha is a flake, crap in the club where he wants to be and crap when he stepped up. He will travel from team to team because thats what players like that do. I don't recall writing anything about Dembele.
I do notice how many of you lot don't like to venture into Kane's problems. His form has dipped, he's dragging the team with him and that a serious problem for you lot.
We tended to drop points against pretty much everyone and anyone last season. I'm pretty happy to get 3 wins.
Did we even win 3 games in a row last season? Remember there being a record of not winning more than 2 for months.
Southampton are no mugs and Hull have been playing well anyway to be fair
I wouldn't have been shocked or particularly annoyed to have drawn any of them games with players settling.
Pocchetino teams always fade at the end of the season too due to the intensity they play with and the double sessions towards the end of the year. Just seems a bit like poor planning on their part, start slowly, finish slowly. There will be a stage this year when they click, as they are a good side but I can't see them mounting a serious challenge.
How do fans feel about how Bentaleb was handled and whether he ever had the right stuff?
I think he has enough of the right stuff as a player, but not yet in terms of his attitude.
He played pretty well, considering his age, the season before last, and made a lot of starts. Then he apparently cut up rough in the summer following about wanting a big new contract and seemed to think he'd "made it" at Spurs. But then Dier was successfully shifted to DM, Dembele came back into form and Alli joined, so Bentaleb suddenly found he'd slipped down the pecking order, obviously didn't like it but was apparently unwilling to put in the hard yards in terms of fighting for his place in training etc.
Pochettino is quite ruthless it seems. So Bentaleb was deemed not suitable enough to be kept.
Of course I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but the above is the gist of what was reported. Of course technically he's only gone on loan, but there is apparently a largish permanent fee built into the deal come the season end. So Spurs get some money for an academy player who won't really be missed, and this now provides more space for young Harry Winks to get some chances.
When's Dembele back?
Why such a thread title? I don't follow Spurs much, but the title looks as if something weird happened here!
Thanks for reiterating your club's mantra.
I'm guessing lots of people stop by just to try and wind up glaston.
A lot of replies are just people trying to bait/wind up Glaston. This is supposed to be a thread for serious discussion.
After the next league game.
A lot has been written about Dembele's impact on this Spurs side, and I'm inclined to agree that he's a massive loss. Dier and Wanyama is extremely workmanlike as a double pivot.
Kane also looks shocking and could maybe do with a rest. I know stats aren't the be all and end all, but I read that his pass completion rate against Liverpool was something like 40%.
Kane also looks shocking and could maybe do with a rest. I know stats aren't the be all and end all, but I read that his pass completion rate against Liverpool was something like 40%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...g-coach-Kieran-McKenna-Tottenham-Hotspur.html
Looks like United have taken a highly rated youth coach from Spurs.
Looks like United have taken a highly rated youth coach from Spurs.
Should be able to get a result at Stoke, so not too bad a start without him.
A lot of exits from Spurs, surely they must have a few deals up their sleeves? Cutting it fine now, unless they've already lined them up?
Lot of departures from Spurs from on and off the pitch. Surely they have to sign few more players? Their squad lacks depth with so many players gone.
They have just 22 players in the squad including goal keepers. The list also includes Mason who is rumored to be joining Hull and Son who is also linked with other clubs. Other players are Carroll and youngster Onomah.
Their squad lacks depth and few injury problems and they will be in big trouble.
They have just 22 players in the squad including goal keepers. The list also includes Mason who is rumored to be joining Hull and Son who is also linked with other clubs. Other players are Carroll and youngster Onomah.
Their squad lacks depth and few injury problems and they will be in big trouble.
Coupled with a poor start in regard to their performances, there's probably reason for concern. Maybe Dembele will solve all their problems, though I doubt it's that simple.
They'll likely buy two players or else Pochettino is making an huge mistake selling all the squad player.
Chadli sold to WBA. Always thought him to be a decent squad option. Maybe he wasn't happy with that role? This was after the Zaha links. So maybe Spurs will have a busy deadline day.
No doubt Dembele is a vital player for us and we are missing him badly - a few of our 'big players' are out of form right now but as other posters have pointed out, we have had a reasonable start to the season - unbeaten and points on the board so all considered we are doing ok.
Hopefully we can bring in a couple of new players to bolster the squad before the window closes but I'm still confident we will have a good season, we just need to find our form again which will come. No doubt the likes of Utd, City and Chelsea have started very strongly but it is still early days.
None of the players we are selling would have played a part in the team this season even if they had stayed with us so to me it's better getting rid of them, get some cash in the bank and try and sign a couple of players who will play a part.
I don't think they have so much to worry about. Kane started last season a bit slowly as well. The team is largely unchanged from a good showing last year and they have rebalanced the squad a bit but still have good backups in all positions. Would be a mistake to sell Son but I don't think they will.
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