They twatted us last season. Lets see if we have good Jose or last seasons Jose before we start belittling a strong team
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They twatted us last season. Lets see if we have good Jose or last seasons Jose before we start belittling a strong team
Lamela was one of most important players last season and I'd put him in the same bracket as kane and Dembele in terms of importance.
Important in what way? His contribution to the team last season was much less than those players and statistic supports that claims. His performance was less noteworthy than more than a couple of spurs players last season. So perhaps by importance you mean his influence tactically. Which, I did not have time to take account of that, but if you could explain then perhaps I would understand. However, you can not say he was one of your better player because fact has it that he was not.
He is vital to our pressing game. He is the best in the team at pressing high in the pitch and then also he is the best at making incisive forward passes. Absolutely vital to the way we play and the team simply doesn't work as well without him.
Please don't say anything is a fact if you don't actually know if it is. I watched every Spurs match last season and that is what I saw. Did you?
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Eriksen was the best at making incisive forward passes for your team last season. I admit that Lamela was good at the pressing, but that attribute could have easily been replaced with the work ethic of Son. It seems you are just making things up right now just to prove something.What I said was fact because it is 100% certainty that Lamela was not one of your better players last season in terms of performance and contribution. I watched a lot of Spurs game last season and if he was one of your better players I would have noted that. Many fans taught Kane and Ali was Spurs only best player, but I was one of the few that saw the contribution of Demebele, Eriksen, Alderweild, Dier and few others that these fan did not see. You are arguing against the wrong person if you think that I did not watch Spurs games.
What I said was fact because it is 100% certainty that Lamela was not one of your better players last season in terms of performance and contribution. I watched a lot of Spurs game last season and if he was one of your better players I would have noted that. Many fans taught Kane and Ali was Spurs only best player, but I was one of the few that saw the contribution of Demebele, Eriksen, Alderweild, Dier and few others that these fan did not see. You are arguing against the wrong person if you think that I did not watch Spurs games.
Again please stop saying something is a fact when it just your opinion, an opinion I disagree with. Alli is less important to us in relation to the way we play than Lamela is. I'm not saying Lamela is our best player but he is the best at implementing Poch's system which is why I value his contribution so highly.
That opinion I had is much more accurate than yours because I have statistics to back up such claims. Statistic that provides extra credibility to my perspective. It is ok to disagree with it but I have no doubt that from what I saw last season, Lamela was not one of your best players.
I also understand how going forward, Lamela contribution may become more suited to Pochettino philosophy this season. However, I was referring to last season where Lamela performance was not that noteworthy compared to the players around him.
Do you constantly have to try and rile somebody if they disagree with you? You can use all the statistics you want but I prefer to watch and form my own opinion on what I see. We disagree on this and that's fine. Enough of the baiting please.
I do not care if you disagree with me. Many individuals has before in the past. I am just saying that all evidence points in favor of my argument being right.
Who were you talking to?
What I said was fact because it is 100% certainty that Lamela was not one of your better players last season in terms of performance and contribution. I watched a lot of Spurs game last season and if he was one of your better players I would have noted that. Many fans taught Kane and Ali was Spurs only best player, but I was one of the few that saw the contribution of Demebele, Eriksen, Alderweild, Dier and few others that these fan did not see. You are arguing against the wrong person if you think that I did not watch Spurs games.
Alderweireld was voted fans player of the season.
You were one of the few who noted the contributions of those 4? Seriously, who were you talking to that just said Kane and Alli? Go to a Spurs forum and it was all about Dembele and Alderweireld.
I'm really starting to doubt your claims here...
Yeah, and not just on a Spurs forum. Kane and Alli, being English and young, obviously attracted the most attention but there was plenty of praise for the likes of Dembele and Alderweireld in the media and elsewhere online.
I was referring to fans on this forums. I remember they stated that Spurs was heavily reliant on Kane or Ali and that they have been their best players. I know glastsonSpurs stated otherwise and agreed with my opinion about Spurs being a more collective unit that did not rely heavily on individual. So, perhaps Spurs fan had different opinion to some fans on here.
Nevertheless, that is irrelevant because the argument was about Lamela being one of your best player, which I corrected balaks that he was not at that time.
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That was United fans and fans of other teams on this forum looking at the scoring stats. It's actually a really common line I see dropped here.
I also agree with balaks, Lamela was a key player for us. In the tier right below Kane, Alderweireld, Dier, and Dembele in my opinion. Lamela was one of, if not the best two-way player in the league last season with his creative touch and tenacious defending. In several of our games last season we suffered a dip in form when Lamela was subbed off. He adds a massive element to how the team plays as a whole.
I disagree with the assumption initially made that Lamela was one of your best player last season. Balak change that assumption to he was an important player to try and correct himself. He could be an important player for Spurs tactically like how Fellaini or lingard is sometimes for United, but that does not make him one of your best players then.
Nevertheless, it is fact as I stated before that he was not one of your best player and I am not using only my observation, but statistic aswell to back up that claim. I believe going into this season, if Lamela improves his game and plays like he did versus Inter consistently, you will understand the dichotomy between important and best players.
Will be interesting to see if Lamela can bring the form he was showing at the end of last season to the start of this season (when spurs could do with him turning up given Alli/Dembele suspensions).
"I'm right, you're wrong, nah nah nah nah!"
It's a thread that replicates Tottenham as a whole. We're great. We'll bluster with no actual effect. But we came third and you came fifth. We are awesome and will do it again.
When in reality it means we'll bottle it and hope you shit the bed . They'd be better off on an arsenal forum except they can't because Arsenal finished above them.
When in reality it means we'll bottle it and hope you shit the bed . They'd be better off on an arsenal forum except they can't because Arsenal finished above them.
Lamela was one of our best players last season.
I also don't think you understand what a fact is, it needs more than just statistics gathered in a complex matrix that is a football game to make something a fact.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-hotspur-blasted-after-mouse-8579742
Must be all that state of the art facilities, right?
Anyway, Lamela. I don't usually jump to the defence of Spurs, but I think he gets an incredible bad rap for a poor first season and people seem to carry that on, but last season he was integral to the Spurs side. If I didn't criminally underate Spurs every season, he'd be a massive shout for my fantasy team this year. He looks to finally turned a confidence corner, where he very much believes in his ability and he's very talented.
Must be all that state of the art facilities, right?
Anyway, Lamela. I don't usually jump to the defence of Spurs, but I think he gets an incredible bad rap for a poor first season and people seem to carry that on, but last season he was integral to the Spurs side. If I didn't criminally underate Spurs every season, he'd be a massive shout for my fantasy team this year. He looks to finally turned a confidence corner, where he very much believes in his ability and he's very talented.
Amadeus strikes again
I've no idea who Amadeus is but you can be quite sure I'm going to ignore him from now on. THAT is a fact.
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I disagree. He was not better than Dembele, Alderweild, Ali, Eriksen, Kane, Dier, Walker, Rose or even Lloris whose performance last season was more noted. So saying he was one of your "best" player is 100% wrong and no matter how much you repeat it, it will not make it true. Once again, I have more than observation to back up my claim, so unless you just want to listen to baseless opinion than you can go ahead and do that.
And I do understand what fact is. As I stated before, I watched more than enough of Spurs game to come to that conclusion. Statistic just make my case so much stronger.
I also understand that something can not be seen with statistic as recently, I was proven right again on this United forum regarding Jesse Lingard, so once again you are arguing with the wrong individual if you think I am just relying on stats to make my observation.
What does this even mean? If you are referring to the Ranieri thread, then you are well misinformed. That thread raises some question regarding some of the intelligence of some of the Redcafe member. In that thread, it seem I was not allowed to say Pochettino deserve a shout to be manager of the year. I do not understand why he would not after the performance he had with that Spurs side. At the end of the day, when I made my decision, I choose Ranieri. So, when you say Amadaeus stike again, what are you implying?
That what happens when you make a bad opinion and not admit you were wrong. I will not say you are right and build your ego. If a Spurs fan that think Lamela was one of their best player last season, then his post is not worth reading from going forward.
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Are you a parody account?
Explain? Perhaps in the Spurs forum, you do not have intelligent poster so when you see one, it unbalances your perspective. I do not understand after everything I said and if you do your own research, how you can still infer that he was one of your best player. Important player, I will understand though, because I understand some players contribution sometimes goes unnoticed to the masses.
The guy who's always right and can't come to terms with ever being wrong. Which you have to be, it's impossible to always be right, especially with something as subjective as sports. Even in the scientific world what is known as empirical fact has something like a half-life of six years. So half the facts that are backed with what seems like cold-hard evidence are either disproved or require altering in six year's time.
You saying Lamela wasn't one of our best players last season is like me saying green olives aren't a great pizza topping and just claiming it as fact.
This sort of scenario for me is not about being always right but moreso about revealing the truth of that statement Balaks made.
If a United fan said Fellaini was our best player last season, I would disagree because he simple was not. However, he was an important player for United because Van Gaal leverage his aerial and strength advantage to benefit our game. As result, gave us some useful points and became an important member of the team. So, when someone says a statement to me that is wrong, I am not going to be a yes-man and say he was right. I prefer dealing with assumption that are closer to fact than they are fiction. Saying Lamela was one of your best player is simple fiction last season because he was not. The truth is out of your front four attacking players, he was the weakest. His importance may have been more than some of those players tactically, but his contribution did not make him one of your best players.
So a Barca fan can't say one of Neymar, Messi, or Suarez was one of their best players because invariably one would be the weakest link out of an attacking 3? Seems like faulty logic to me there.
Just ignore the guy, he is a troll. No point in trying to reason with somebody like that who presents their own views as 'fact'. Utterly pointless.
I think there's plenty of room in this thread for light-hearted lowbrow comedy.
Lol well be my guest then.
No, their could be a combination of best players. Based on their performance you can deduce whether they have been one of their best players. Based on Lamela performance he was not one of your best players. I used that example that Lamela being one of the weakest of your front four would make his case much harder to become one of Spurs best players because Spurs also had much better players in defense and in midfield. Neymar, Suarez and Messi are undoubtedly some of Barcelona best players based of their performance, not because their is a weak link among them.
I even checked multiple of Spurs fan site and most of them do not even have him in their top five. So, perhaps you guys has been excluded from what Spurs fan believe. Based on Spurs fan, Lloris, Alderweild and Kane has been your best players voted on.
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A troll is someone who says Lamela is your best player and give no evidence to support that claim. The only evidence is created by me when I helped you figure out the difference between a tactically important player and some of your best players. As provided with the multiple example above.So, honestly you should thank me for helping you out there because you would still be stuck believing that he was one of your best player, rather than tactically important player at that time.
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You both have given the exact same amount of evidence.
What? I gave evidence that statistic has Lamela has Spurs 9th best performer, the Spurs fan site opinion and the difference between important players and best players. He has given none, beside his opinion. If I remember my arithmetic that is 3-0 in favor of me in terms of evidence given. The difference between important and best player could be regarded as an opinion, so that makes it 2-0 disregarding opinions made.You both have given the exact same amount of evidence.
I have a clean sheet which Mourinho will be very proud of
. That is what I call a strong defense, if you understand the pun
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If you even bothered to read my previous posts I said that I didnt think Lamela was our 'best' player - at no point did I say I didnt think he was 'ONE of our best' - I think he is one of our best AND most important players. You are continuing to try and bait me while posting inaccurate information about what I said. We disagree on Lamela, that's fine - I have no issue with that at all. What I have an issue with is you trying to get people wound up and stating your opinion as 'fact'. That is my last response to you now Amadaeus, please go and politely 'do one'. Yours sincerely, Balaks.
Lamela was great and I expect him to continue to improve, but he was behind Alderweireld, Kane, Eriksen, Alli, Lloris, Dier and Dembele. I don't think you could argue any of those did their respective roles to a lower standard than he did. Arguably Rose too.
He's come a long way though, and towards the end of the season did start to become one of our better players.
He's come a long way though, and towards the end of the season did start to become one of our better players.
Ok, many people have strange opinion. I do not know what inaccurate information I posted. What you said verbatim in your response to mine was that he was easily one of your best player. If anyone can read, they can look at it in the last page.
Nevertheless, I guess that is part of the human psyche. If that is the standard for being one of the best players then I suppose many United fan will regard Fellaini, Rooney and a few other important player as our best player last season.
Nevertheless, I guess that is part of the human psyche. If that is the standard for being one of the best players then I suppose many United fan will regard Fellaini, Rooney and a few other important player as our best player last season.
Finally, another Spurs fan that share an opinion closer to fact than fiction with his initial post. Took one of you long enough to show up. No doubt Lamela improve a lot last season compared to the season before. However, his standard was much lower than the players you listed.
Personally I think he is behind Alderweireld, Kane, Lloris and Dembele as I view those 4 as our best and most important players. I rate Lamela as highly as I rate Dier, Alli and Eriksen who I think are just behind the top 4 in the squad. It's all about opinions though but I think Lamela will continue to improve and should (fingers crossed) have a fantastic season for us. I understand I may rate him a bit higher than some others do but I really like him as a player and think he has been severely underrated because of his difficult first year adapting to the English league.
It's fair enough to rate him as highly (he's very talented) but in terms of performances across the entire season he was below those three, at least in my opinion. I'm excited to see him next season though, as he really came in to his element in the second half of the season and nailed down that right hand side spot.
I think maybe you're overrating his performances slightly because they were such an improvement on his past showings.
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