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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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DanClancy said:
What caused all the Walker speculation?
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All started with Trippier getting selected in the FA cup semi ahead of Walker, rumours started that Walker was unhappy about this and it had impacted on his relationship with the manager. Plus City obviously being in the market for a new right back so that just fueled speculation.
 
hellohello said:
I think his finishing and movement is world class. He also doesn't really have any obvious weaknesses to his game, and his overall play is good. Not yet among the absolute best strikers in the world, but sit comfortably a tier below. My opinion.
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He will never be rated as world class until he performs in European and International competition. In the Premiership he is world class but it's outside of that he still has a bit to prove. I might add that I believe he will prove himself in these areas over the coming seasons. It's the same for Dele.
 
balaks said:
All started with Trippier getting selected in the FA cup semi ahead of Walker, rumours started that Walker was unhappy about this and it had impacted on his relationship with the manager. Plus City obviously being in the market for a new right back so that just fueled speculation.
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I see, do you think he'll go to City?

I think he's one of the few players can afford to lose, I'm sure Spurs will have someone lined up at half the price they'll get for Walker and on half the wages.
 
DanClancy said:
I see, do you think he'll go to City?

I think he's one of the few players can afford to lose, I'm sure Spurs will have someone lined up at half the price they'll get for Walker and on half the wages.
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I think it's possible he will leave this summer (though not certain) and I would be surprised if he went to a direct rival so I'd expect him to go abroad. Having said that, I'm guessing and will be waiting for news on it like everybody else.
 
balaks said:
I think it's possible he will leave this summer (though not certain) and I would be surprised if he went to a direct rival so I'd expect him to go abroad. Having said that, I'm guessing and will be waiting for news on it like everybody else.
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Can't see any club overseas prepared to pay what City would, City would probably pay £40m for him; No club overseas would pay that and I can't imagine them paying anything near what City would in wages either.

Its hard to see Spurs breaking the habit and spending big this summer without selling a few players. The squad isn't big and there's no a great deal of quality out on loan that would obtain huge amounts in transfer fees as you've done in the previous 12 months.
 
DanClancy said:
Can't see any club overseas prepared to pay what City would, City would probably pay £40m for him; No club overseas would pay that and I can't imagine them paying anything near what City would in wages either.

Its hard to see Spurs breaking the habit and spending big this summer without selling a few players. The squad isn't big and there's no a great deal of quality out on loan that would obtain huge amounts in transfer fees as you've done in the previous 12 months.
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Yeah I expect us to spend a fair amount this summer (well for us anyway) and wouldn't be surprised if we spend £40 million plus on a couple of new players. You are right of course re: the money City would pay for Walker vs foreign club so it will be interesting to see what Poch and Levy decide to do with him. I think we will bring in 3 players, a central defender, an attacking midfielder and a player with pace in the forward areas - current rumours would suggest Barkley and Zaha are targets which would fit in with what I think - I expect Wimmer to leave so we will need another centre back to replace him in the squad. If Walker does leave then we also will need a back-up right back however we have a talented youth player who could slot into the squad (Kyle Walker-Peters).
 
balaks said:
He will never be rated as world class until he performs in European and International competition. In the Premiership he is world class but it's outside of that he still has a bit to prove. I might add that I believe he will prove himself in these areas over the coming seasons. It's the same for Dele.
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He may have something to prove, but that's only because he is still quite new in Europe. He got 2 goals in 3 appearances which is quite okay. If Spurs as a team performs better he will continue to produce I feel. Time will tell

DanClancy said:
Can't see any club overseas prepared to pay what City would, City would probably pay £40m for him; No club overseas would pay that and I can't imagine them paying anything near what City would in wages either.

Its hard to see Spurs breaking the habit and spending big this summer without selling a few players. The squad isn't big and there's no a great deal of quality out on loan that would obtain huge amounts in transfer fees as you've done in the previous 12 months.
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I don't think he'll be sold to City for as little as 40m. I think it would be at least 60m considering that they are a rival and with their history of what they pay for defenders. He is a homegrown player in his prime, this seasons team of the year. That coupled with the current market and Levy makes me believe it will be 60m at the very least.
 
hellohello said:
He may have something to prove, but that's only because he is still quite new in Europe. He got 2 goals in 3 appearances which is quite okay. If Spurs as a team performs better he will continue to produce I feel. Time will tell



I don't think he'll be sold to City for as little as 40m. I think it would be at least 60m considering that they are a rival and with their history of what they pay for defenders. He is a homegrown player in his prime, this seasons team of the year. That coupled with the current market and Levy makes me believe it will be 60m at the very least.
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Good luck with that, City won't pay £60m for Walker. Not a hope of that happening.
 
DanClancy said:
Good luck with that, City won't pay £60m for Walker. Not a hope of that happening.
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Probably not, and in which case I don't see us selling a top class right back to a direct rival. I don't see us selling to City for much less. It's not as if we are looking for teams to buy our players.
 
The Tottenham project fascinates me. I enjoy their football and they go about things the right way. More than talented players, I feel they are missing a player that gives them an edge and has a particular mentality.

I echo the sentiments of Lord Cruijff, you need a player with a bit of fire in them. Manchester United had Cantona to give them that and then Roy Keane. Chelsea had John Terry and then Drogba who added that mentality. It isn't hat particular characteristic that Arsenal have lacked. Manchester City also lack thay character when Kompany does not play and it shows.

The dream team had Stoichkov who added the fiery element the team needed. That should be their priory more than just getting a talented player.
 
totaalvoetbal said:
The Tottenham project fascinates me. I enjoy their football and they go about things the right way. More than talented players, I feel they are missing a player that gives them an edge and has a particular mentality.

I echo the sentiments of Lord Cruijff, you need a player with a bit of fire in them. Manchester United had Cantona to give them that and then Roy Keane. Chelsea had John Terry and then Drogba who added that mentality. It isn't hat particular characteristic that Arsenal have lacked. Manchester City also lack thay character when Kompany does not play and it shows.

The dream team had Stoichkov who added the fiery element the team needed. That should be their priory more than just getting a talented player.
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Not sure if I would agree with the 'firey element' however I do agree that we would greatly benefit from a proven winner in the team - a player with top level experience.
 
balaks said:
Not sure if I would agree with the 'firey element' however I do agree that we would greatly benefit from a proven winner in the team - a player with top level experience.
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At the moment, Tottenham are seen as a club that will never make the next step and have become a caricature of the weak mentality. They are similar to a team like Bayer Leverkusen in Germany. I think the club are stuck in this cycle of melancholy where it is easier to say we almost did it.

Pochettino has gone some way in changing that, now he needs a player to transmit this on the pitch.
 
Lash said:
I think more people see Alli as having the potential, but the amount of time's I've been told Kane is a world class striker, in the top 5 strikers in europe, etc; by media and fans alike, it's so premature.



I watched Kane at Millwall when he was on loan and there's no doubt he had talent, but he hasn't changed at all since then - he just shoots from anywhere and everywhere. Obviously he's become far more athletic and honed his technique of shooting, but I'm still unconvinced that he'll ever be top class at a European level. Saying that - I thought people would suss him out in the prem after a few seasons, but that hasn't happened.
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I agree he has improved but playing for England or in Champions League/Europa League he hasn't done the same as he does on the Premier League.

Reason why I mentioned the tactical organization of the opponents at international level, in England the games are fast but it is more easy to see open spaces because there is lack of temporization and the crowd doesn't like to watch teams having the ball for long periods of time, probably the reason Kane or Alli feel the cultural schock when they play at this level.
 
SCP said:
I agree he has improved but playing for England or in Champions League/Europa League he hasn't done the same as he does on the Premier League.

Reason why I mentioned the tactical organization of the opponents at international level, in England the games are fast but it is more easy to see open spaces because there is lack of temporization and the crowd doesn't like to watch teams having the ball for long periods of time, probably the reason Kane or Alli feel the cultural schock when they play at this level.
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Well they both have plenty of time to get the experience needed to get to grips with International and European football, I'm sure they will prove themselves over the next few years.
 
SCP said:
I agree he has improved but playing for England or in Champions League/Europa League he hasn't done the same as he does on the Premier League.

Reason why I mentioned the tactical organization of the opponents at international level, in England the games are fast but it is more easy to see open spaces because there is lack of temporization and the crowd doesn't like to watch teams having the ball for long periods of time, probably the reason Kane or Alli feel the cultural schock when they play at this level.
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Not sure you've actually seen Kane's stats, but here they are. Not sure this 2 goals in 3 CL games, or 10 in 31 EL games is 'being found out for a young striker.
 
hellohello said:
Not sure you've actually seen Kane's stats, but here they are. Not sure this 2 goals in 3 CL games, or 10 in 31 EL games is 'being found out for a young striker.
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Nothing personal against him, I already said in other posts Spurs at White Hart Lane are the best team in Engand and Pochettino is the best manager in England regarding the ratio squad quality/quality of football.

The point I make about your team or Kane and Delle Alli is international level not performances in the Premier League.

balaks said:
Well they both have plenty of time to get the experience needed to get to grips with International and European football, I'm sure they will prove themselves over the next few years.
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Agree with you, I have been careful to not calling them overrated or average, they are very good in the Premier League they just need to pass to the other level, which is Champions League, facing teams like Juventus or Madrid to prove they are on the same level as Bale or Modric.
 
SCP said:
Nothing personal against him, I already said in other posts Spurs at White Hart Lane are the best team in Engand and Pochettino is the best manager in England regarding the ratio squad quality/quality of football.

The point I make about your team or Kane and Delle Alli is international level not performances in the Premier League.



Agree with you, I have been careful to not calling them overrated or average, they are very good in the Premier League they just need to pass to the other level, which is Champions League, facing teams like Juventus or Madrid to prove they are on the same level as Bale or Modric.
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I agree that they haven't proven much internationally, my point was simply that you can't say the opposite either and claim they are not tactically suited to European football. They haven't played much international football as senior players, and in Kane's case his stats are actually decent when he has been playing. Point is that we don't really know how he will perform against the best sides in Europe in an important knock out game.
 
Whilst we look absolutely shocking, Spurs look fantastic. Aggressive all over the pitch, winning every second ball and have real quality in attacking areas.

Very well organised and look like a team as opposed to a collection of players.
 
Full-time: Tottenham Hotspur 2 Manchester United 1
That's it and the fans stream onto the field to mark the end of football here at White Hart Lane.

And to commemorate that, they have gone the final season unbeaten at home, what a brilliant achievement.

Spurs are also now guaranteed second place in the Premier League.

Harry Kane has the honour of being the last goalscorer for Spurs here, though it is Wayne Rooney who scored the actual final goal.

But it didn't herald a Manchester United comeback late on, Spurs emerge victors by two goals to one.

Give them a trophy for that.
 
Congratulations to Spurs on claiming the "we beat United" trophy. Celebrated with such heart and passion by the Spurs faithful to, almost brought a tear to my eye.

Anyway, we'll be back to reclaim said trophy next season so don't get to attached.
 
Random Task said:
Congratulations to Spurs on claiming the "we beat United" trophy. Celebrated with such heart and passion by the Spurs faithful to, almost brought a tear to my eye.

Anyway, we'll be back to reclaim said trophy next season so don't get to attached.
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We are going to reclaim the "We beat United" trophy? We are going to beat ourselves?

And they were comfortably better than us and the fans deserve to celebrate their final day at WHL.
 
They're a very good team.

I think they might struggle next year at Wembley but fair play to them for this season. Good team to watch.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
We are going to reclaim the "We beat United" trophy? We are going to beat ourselves?

And they were comfortably better than us and the fans deserve to celebrate their final day at WHL.
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They were celebrating the "we beat United trophy" that was plain as day to see.
 
Varun said:
Last game at the ground. Is it really a surprise?
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I think this has been lost on a lot of people

Sure the new stadium is in the same spot. But their ground of over 100 years is being demolished, so its obvious an important occasion
 
balaks said:
It's a worry tbf
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Doubt it will make any difference where you play your home games in all honesty. This Spurs team are a bunch of ravenous beasts, the hunger they possess is frighteningly familiar.

Young, hungry and talented is the recipe for success.

There are no excuses next season, they have to win something.
 
Random Task said:
Doubt it will make any difference where you play your home games in all honesty. This Spurs team are a bunch of ravenous beasts, the hunger they possess is frighteningly familiar.

Young, hungry and talented is the recipe for success.

There are no excuses next season, they have to win something.
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Yeah we do
 
Congratulations to Spurs for winning the "We finished above Arsenal cup". It's nice for their fans I suppose to finish above them for a change but lets face it, in a few years time no one apart from them will remember it.

This is the best Spurs side I've seen in my lifetime for sure, but they cannot rest on their laurels, they have to strengthen and also hang on to that core group they've built. Chelsea will be spending next season, as will City, the scouse, us (hopefully!) and Arsenal too. Alli in the interview just now didn't sound like someone who was going to be at Spurs his whole career, in a couple of years time when Real Madrid come calling he'll be off. As for this wage structure Levy has in place, I look forward to the first player who goes into his office and attempts to push that because they'll have to if they want to remain successful.

As for Pochettino, he gave no assurances of his future in the interview on tv just earlier, he is the most important person at the club, they have to try and keep him at all costs but if Barcelona come in for him he can't refuse them.
 
No Gascoigne in the legends lineup. He was the one of the best to grace WHL.

Shame he became a slave to alcohol.
 
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