The Spurs thread | 2016-2017 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[hellohello]

I think Jansen is shite (que him somehow scoring against us).

He's your Memphis Depay .

He's a young striker with one senior season in Eresdivise behind him. He has showed signs of improvement throughout his first season with us. He hasn't had a fantastic season by any means, but it's a little early to call him shite imo.'

I also think Memphis could be good if given opportunity, coaching and a manager who believe in him. But was a little early for him to live up to the expectations.

I don't think they show sign of progression mentally. Yes, people will talk about 9 league wins in a row which is great but the same people had failed to look at them getting knock out of CL group stage, getting knocked out by the mighty Genk(?) in EL, getting knocked out of FA Cup by Chelsea even though playing better..
..and getting sucker punched by Westham when it matters the most.

Mentally it still looks like the same old Spurs even though the squad now is miles ahead on talents.

And this is different from City, United, Liverpool and Arsenal stumbling against lesser teams when they have a chance to get into the top 4? I also think it's quite strange to me how some people claim Hazard is the best player in the league, but when he scores a goal in a tight semifinal it's suddenly a sign of mental frailty by the other team.

 

[Cantona_Forever]

And this is different from City, United, Liverpool and Arsenal stumbling against lesser teams when they have a chance to get into the top 4?

For sure we bottled it in the league too when we drew too many games at home vs. half bottom teams. No one said we didn't.
We didn't bottle it on every competitions regularly though. That's the difference. That's why Spurs getting a dig from other fans.

 

[hellohello]

For sure we bottled it in the league too when we drew too many games at home vs. half bottom teams. No one said we didn't.
We didn't bottle it on every competitions regularly though. That's the difference. That's why Spurs getting a dig from other fans.

I disagree though, there's a difference between bottling and not being good enough. But yes, I absolutely agree that many spurs teams in the past have been mentally fragile, but I really don't think you can brand Pochettinos squad the same based on what I have seen. I have not seen any 'bottle jobs' from us this season. And if you bring up Gent, we didn't play well, but they had 3 shots on target in 180 minutes of football and scored 3 goals, not sure if you saw the game, but we thoroughly deserved the win, but it wasn't to be.

 

[theyneverlearn]

Some very good points in this mornings Sunday Supplmenet regarding Tottenham and the new challenges that come with being a CL regular side.

A lot of the points have been mentioned here, but they've basically said that to improve their squad they'll need to bring in players that will want to be earning £100k+ which would suddenly put the players who have been at Spurs for 2/3 years asking why they are not on similar/more wages.

They also seem to agree that Spurs have bottled it, with the comparison to a golfer playing a great 16 holes, then bogying the last couple when the pressure is on; they're remembered as chokers/bottlers.

Also it is a lot easier and less pressure being the chasing team, but when they had the and chance to really put pressure on Chelsea they couldn't get the result when it needed.

 

[TwoSheds]

Last season was bottling it. They only had to overtake Leicester but instead they somehow contrived to finish below Arsenal.

This season is just them not being as good as Chelsea.

Next season I think there'll be even more teams they're not as good as although you never just know.

 

[theyneverlearn]

Following ok from my point above, I actually don't 100% agree with everything been said.

However I do think that should Tottenham and their fans want to be classed in the elite PL team (which they have earned) they should also accept the harsh criticism that will come with it.

Unite, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool fans will know how harsh the media can be, and it's something that Spurs fans will start to see more of.

 

[The Outsider]

Chelsea led the way this season with the three at the back and Spurs were one of those sides that adapted to it. They found success playing against many of the mid table sides and now have a tough run of fixtures. Chelsea have already had the tough run.

What I would say is Spurs at times looked imperious playing three at the back, for a period the best side in the country.

I think bottled is the wrong word and I am thinking about Poch, he builds a great team yet can he win something?
Can he make the subs that turn matches when the matches are running away from you.

I'm not sure, JM can and Conte is showing it too.

 

[TheReligion]

Following ok from my point above, I actually don't 100% agree with everything been said.

However I do think that should Tottenham and their fans want to be classed in the elite PL team (which they have earned) they should also accept the harsh criticism that will come with it.

Unite, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool fans will know how harsh the media can be, and it's something that Spurs fans will start to see more of.

This is my issue. They want to be seen as a big club achieving great things when it suits and then when it goes wrong they dip back to being the net spend masters living life on a shoe string and being happy to be 'part of the conversation'

 

[sizzling sausages]

Last season was bottling it. They only had to overtake Leicester but instead they somehow contrived to finish below Arsenal.

This season is just them not being as good as Chelsea.

Next season I think there'll be even more teams they're not as good as although you never just know.

They definitely bottled second last season but I still don't think they really bottled the league. I know it was "only Leicester" they were against but Leicester were fantastic in the second half of the season.

A lot of people saying they'd be happier with our season than Spurs' if we win the EL and I do agree with that as winning trophies is what it's all about. But there are also more worrying questions marks around us than there is for Spurs so I can see why Spurs fans can be pleased with how their season has went, once they get over the disappointment of the semi final defeat and falling short in the league.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Some very good points in this mornings Sunday Supplmenet regarding Tottenham and the new challenges that come with being a CL regular side.

A lot of the points have been mentioned here, but they've basically said that to improve their squad they'll need to bring in players that will want to be earning £100k....

There are at least 5 different ways of potentially improving a squad, apart from weeding out the duds:

1) Spend lots of money on signing new 'big name' or established players.
2) Spend money on signing less-established (or non-big name) players or prospects.
3) Bring in talented prospects from the academy/youth ranks.
4) The likely natural improvement of younger players due to increasing experience (especially if your squad average age is young).
5) Improve the squad through coaching (including and tactics and formations), fitness training, building team spirit and improving mental toughness.

The article you've cited focuses - like many posters on here - on item 1 above (spending lots of money). And every summer since Pochettino arrived there has been - and continue to be - many posters who've predicted that Spurs will be blown away by their big-spending rivals.

But items 2 - 5 above can outweigh big spending, as Spurs (and other teams) have shown, though they tend to get down-played in favour of the 'glamour' and excitement of spending big bucks.

What Spurs have done before they can continue to do. It doesn't mean that we will necessarily succeed in that continuation, but it does mean that we are capable of doing so and might succeed in doing so.

 

[GlastonSpur]

This is my issue. They want to be seen as a big club achieving great things when it suits and then when it goes wrong they dip back to being the net spend masters living life on a shoe string and being happy to be 'part of the conversation'

It's not a question of "wanting to be seen as a big club" - Spurs are a big club. And in terms of "achieving great things", we are about to achieve the construction of what will be one of the very best stadiums in Europe, paid for out of our own, self-earned money. This will establish the foundations for moving the club onto another level, and we're doing this whilst having challenged for the title both this season and last.

In my book this is already a huge achievement.

And of course the need to fund the new stadium - and the new training complex before that - is the reason for our current shoe-string life, yet you try and to portray this as some kind of convenient excuse ... though an excuse for what is not clear.

 

[bleedred]

It's not a question of "wanting to be seen as a big club" - Spurs are a big club. And in terms of "achieving great things", we are about to achieve the construction of what will be one of the very best stadiums in Europe, paid for out of our own, self-earned money. This will establish the foundations for moving the club onto another level, and we're doing this whilst having challenged for the title both this season and last.

In my book this is already a huge achievement.

And of course the need to fund the new stadium - and the new training complex before that - is the reason for our current shoe-string life, yet you try and to portray this as some kind of convenient excuse ... though an excuse for what is not clear.

In what regards??

Building the stadium may be seen as an achievement for the board, but not for the fans and the players. Just see what is going on at Emirates. Yeah, they have had a fancy new stadium with their own money. But they have feck all to show for it.

 

[GlastonSpur]

In what regards??

Building the stadium may be seen as an achievement for the board, but not for the fans and the players. Just see what is going on at Emirates. Yeah, they have had a fancy new stadium with their own money. But they have feck all to show for it.

In every regard.

And I can assure you that the new stadium is seen as a huge achievement by Spurs fans, and it will hardly hurt when it comes to impressing players.

 

[TwoSheds]

It's not a question of "wanting to be seen as a big club" - Spurs are a big club. And in terms of "achieving great things", we are about to achieve the construction of what will be one of the very best stadiums in Europe, paid for out of our own, self-earned money. This will establish the foundations for moving the club onto another level, and we're doing this whilst having challenged for the title both this season and last.

In my book this is already a huge achievement.

And of course the need to fund the new stadium - and the new training complex before that - is the reason for our current shoe-string life, yet you try and to portray this as some kind of convenient excuse ... though an excuse for what is not clear.

Challenged for the title? in what planet did you do that? Maybe for about 2 weeks in both seasons but you never really threatened, never really believed you could.

 

[bleedred]

In every regard.

And I can assure you that the new stadium is seen as a huge achievement by Spurs fans, and it will hardly hurt when it comes to impressing players.

seriously??.. What has spurs won in the past 20-30 years compared to the other big clubs. In terms of fanbase??.. In terms of revenue??..

If you seeing the stadium as an achievement then you are settling for mediocrity just like the Arsenal fans you very much loathe.

 

[GlastonSpur]

seriously??.. What has spurs won in the past 20-30 years compared to the other big clubs. In terms of fanbase??.. In terms of revenue??..
If you seeing the stadium as an achievement then you are settling for mediocrity just like the Arsenal fans you very much loathe.

The history of Spurs goes way back beyond just the last 30 years. For example, we were the first British club ever to win a European trophy.

As for your other questions, Spurs have a global fanbase. In terms of revenue, Spurs will shortly enter the global top 10.

PS. If you don't see our new stadium as an achievement, then you're being ridiculous ... it's a huge step forward for Spurs.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Spurs are a big club, no doubt that.

Sadly for them they are in a league with 2, possibly 3 massive football clubs with 2 more who have the financial backing to blow them out the water. Only a fool would predict that 3/4 teams will be as bad next season as they have been this.

 

[bleedred]

The history of Spurs goes way back beyond just the last 30 years. For example, we were the first British club ever to win a European trophy.

As for your other questions, Spurs have a global fanbase. In terms of revenue, Spurs will shortly enter the global top 10.

PS. If you don't see our new stadium as an achievement, then you're being ridiculous ... it's a huge step forward for Spurs.

So have almost every other club in Football league. Doesnt mean they are all "Big clubs".

 

[Claude Makélélé]

This is my issue. They want to be seen as a big club achieving great things when it suits and then when it goes wrong they dip back to being the net spend masters living life on a shoe string and being happy to be 'part of the conversation'

True.

But they don't have a rich history like Liverpool, United, a modern dominance era like United, Chelsea or a great time of football winning the title like Arsenal.

All they have is 1 League cup in 10 years, 2 consecutive years in top 4 during the time that United in transition and Arsenal in later Wenger era. New stadium? Look at Arsenal - they were much better than Tottenham at the moment they decided to build Emirate: better squad, was real winning team, one of the biggest global football brand with huge fans base and strong financial position. But look how a new stadium project took them down

 

[TheReligion]

True.

But they don't have a rich history like Liverpool, United, a modern dominance era like United, Chelsea or a great time of football winning the title like Arsenal.

All they have is 1 League cup in 10 years, 2 consecutive years in top 4 during the time that United in transition and Arsenal in later Wenger era. New stadium? Look at Arsenal - they were much better than Tottenham at the moment they decided to build Emirate: better squad, was real winning team, one of the biggest global football brand with huge fans base and strong financial position. But look how a new stadium project took them down

I agree I just think some of our Spurs lot want the title of a big competitive club but avoid any criticism that comes with it.

When the going gets tough no one is allowed to criticise them as they have a great net spend etc and they 'shouldn't be competing anyway'.

It's bullshit.

 

[GlastonSpur]

So have almost every other club in Football league. Doesnt mean they are all "Big clubs".

"Almost every other club in Football league" is not about to enter the top 10 globally in terms of income, nor do most have the global fan base of Spurs, nor do most have a fantastic new stadium soon to open and nor do most have the rich history of Spurs.

The world of football contains thousands of professional clubs across the world ... to imagine that that only 7 or 8 are big clubs is both stupid and ignorant.

 

[bleedred]

"Almost every other club in Football league" is not about to enter the top 10 globally in terms of income, nor do most have the global fan base of Spurs, nor do most have a fantastic new stadium soon to open and nor do most have the rich history of Spurs.

The world of football contains thousands of professional clubs across the world ... to imagine that that only 7 or 8 are big clubs is both stupid and ignorant.

So is claiming that you are one among them without winning anything for god knows how long.

 

[GlastonSpur]

So is claiming that you are one among them without winning anything for god knows how long.

Our last trophy was 9 years ago. However, going through a period of trophy drought - particularly in an era of sugar-daddies and in the most competitive league in the world - does not change the fact that Spurs are (and have long been) a big club.

 

[Sweech]

Wait, you're making things up here to suit your arguement. No one has said that Spurs have had a poor season, on the contrary in fact, they have had a very good season, but will still end up with nothing to show for it just as they did the previous season. That's a fact.

There were great many people (Spurs fans included even if they won't admit it) who expected a trophy from Spurs this season, let alone a title push.

I wonder how the Spurs players feel about their accomplishments, or lack theirof, this season, and I'm not referring to the PR stuff they blurt out to the media, I'm talking more on a personal level. Do you honestly believe they will be content with winning nothing yet again? I doubt their winning mentality if that be the case.

This has got to be the strangest revisionist history I've seen so far.

Read the top 4 threads and top 4 prediction threads. I'm pretty sure no one other than a Spurs fan making a jokingly homer pick had Spurs 1st or 2nd. This very thread has a below 50% vote on whether Spurs would make top 4.

Everyone was banging the "new managers" and "new signings drum" and many were saying Spurs would be lucky to make Top 4. Clearly Spurs were not thought of very highly.

I know myself personally I too was worried about our top 4 chances.

As far as a cup goes yeah Spurs fans definitely would have liked one for sure. Was anyone making us favourites? Nope. Yet again no one was. The reason being everyone saw us as the 5th or 6th best team in the league.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

A big club in a league with some massive clubs who have a much better history, more recent successes and bigger bank balances.

 

[GlastonSpur]

A big club in a league with some massive clubs who have a much better history, more recent successes and bigger bank balances.

Some of whom will soon have inferior stadiums and /or be playing in the Europa League next season

 

[GlastonSpur]

This has got to be the strangest revisionist history I've seen so far .... This very thread has a below 50% vote on whether Spurs would make top 4 ....

It was actually 75% against when the season kicked off .... so you're dead right about the revisionist history.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Some of whom will soon have inferior stadiums and /or be playing in the Europa League next season

Didn't Arsenal fans say the same thing when the Emirates was built?

Also the pull of a champions league side as in yourself who have no history in going far in the tournament doesn't count for much. We proved last summer that even without (and with a bigger stadium whatever difference that makes) that our name still carries weight in the footballing world and coupled with money, the top players will still come.

Tottenham have no doubt had a good season, they've been consistent when others haven't. Next season both Manchester clubs will come back stronger having had big summers.. how long before your stars start wanting to leave to win things?

 

[GlastonSpur]

Didn't Arsenal fans say the same thing when the Emirates was built?

Also the pull of a champions league side as in yourself who have no history in going far in the tournament doesn't count for much. We proved last summer that even without (and with a bigger stadium whatever difference that makes) that our name still carries weight in the footballing world and coupled with money, the top players will still come.

Tottenham have no doubt had a good season, they've been consistent when others haven't. Next season both Manchester clubs will come back stronger having had big summers.. how long before your stars start wanting to leave to win things?

Probably longer than de Gea will stay at United .... so your "big summer" may well have to start with finding a new GK. If so, the replacement won't be as good, so you'll be taking one step backwards even before you get started on pulling in all these "top players".

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Probably longer than de Gea will stay at United .... so your "big summer" may well have to start with finding a new GK. If so, the replacement won't be as good, so you'll be taking one step backwards even before you get started on pulling in all these "top players".

We'll see. We have no need to sell David, we certainly don't need the money so unless Madrid pay big bucks for him, we don't need to sell.

I'd be a bit more concerned when your top players starting wanting to leave to double there money and actually win things though.. the time will come, maybe not this summer but it will come.

 

[Random Task]

I agree I just think some of our Spurs lot want the title of a big competitive club but avoid any criticism that comes with it.

When the going gets tough no one is allowed to criticise them as they have a great net spend etc and they 'shouldn't be competing anyway'.

It's bullshit.

Your post will get ignored but yeah, I've picked up that very same vibe just reading the last few pages. It's a security blanket thing.

 

[Claude Makélélé]

Our last trophy was 9 years ago. However, going through a period of trophy drought - particularly in an era of sugar-daddies and in the most competitive league in the world - does not change the fact that Spurs are (and have long been) a big club.

Even until now - 8th of May 2017 - Spurs' trophies and records in Premier League era are till nothing to compare to what Chelsea had achieved before (not after) Roman Abramovich's arrival. We won 6 trophies in 10 years and had reached top 4 before 2003/2004.

So, if your logic is true that Spurs has long been a big club, then Chelsea was a more than a big club even before Roman took over. Just a remind

 

[TheReligion]

Probably longer than de Gea will stay at United .... so your "big summer" may well have to start with finding a new GK. If so, the replacement won't be as good, so you'll be taking one step backwards even before you get started on pulling in all these "top players".

This thread is about Spurs mate.

Keep it on track or you'll be banned.

 

[GlastonSpur]

This thread is about Spurs mate.

Keep it on track or you'll be banned.

Then I suggest you give the same warning to the poster I replied to, who said: "Next season both Manchester clubs will come back stronger having had big summers.. how long before your stars start wanting to leave to win things?"

 

[GlastonSpur]

Even until now - 8th of May 2017 - Spurs' trophies and records in Premier League era are till nothing to compare to what Chelsea had achieved before (not after) Roman Abramovich's arrival. We won 6 trophies in 10 years and had reached top 4 before 2003/2004.

So, if your logic is true that Spurs has long been a big club, then Chelsea was a more than a big club even before Roman took over. Just a remind

I'd be careful, mention anything other than Spurs and you'll get threatened with banning - see post #5833.

 

[matherto]

Chelsea was a more than a big club even before Roman took over

No, no you weren't.

 

[Random Task]

This has got to be the strangest revisionist history I've seen so far.

Read the top 4 threads and top 4 prediction threads. I'm pretty sure no one other than a Spurs fan making a jokingly homer pick had Spurs 1st or 2nd. This very thread has a below 50% vote on whether Spurs would make top 4.

Everyone was banging the "new managers" and "new signings drum" and many were saying Spurs would be lucky to make Top 4. Clearly Spurs were not thought of very highly.

I know myself personally I too was worried about our top 4 chances.

As far as a cup goes yeah Spurs fans definitely would have liked one for sure. Was anyone making us favourites? Nope. Yet again no one was. The reason being everyone saw us as the 5th or 6th best team in the league.

I never said you were favourites for anything, I simply stated my opinion on what I believed Spurs would or perhaps could have achieved come the end of this season, a belief that I have held since before the season had begun.Based on their impressive performance in the league last season, I had expected Spurs to not only equal those performances but exceed them. Yes, I genuinely believed that Spurs could push for the title, or at the very least pick up their first trophy for over a decade. That does not make me a revisionist, on the contrary in fact.

P.S
It's really quite difficult posting from your phone!

 

[Claude Makélélé]

I agree I just think some of our Spurs lot want the title of a big competitive club but avoid any criticism that comes with it.

When the going gets tough no one is allowed to criticise them as they have a great net spend etc and they 'shouldn't be competing anyway'.

It's bullshit.

Also about using the new stadium - not trophies - to lift up their "great".

Arsenal has already taught us a lesson about the new stadium project. Also didn't they lose to West Ham in a bid for Olympic Stadium before they decided to move to the current project? That means a new stadium was not their first choice and they knew its risks.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Also about using the new stadium - not trophies - to lift up their "great".

Arsenal has already taught us a lesson about the new stadium project. Also didn't they lose to West Ham in a bid for Olympic Stadium before they decided to move to the current project? That means a new stadium was not their first choice and they knew its risks.

Incorrect. The proposal from Spurs was to knock down the Olympic Stadium and build a new stadium - one actually fit for football - in its place.

 

[Claude Makélélé]

No, no you weren't.

"Big" is not the word I want to use to describe my club even if I was a supporter of Real Madrid. I prefer "good". But in some cases, you know.