You should just lay your trends and financial chickens to rest.
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You should just lay your trends and financial chickens to rest.
You're right but I don't think he's talking about your ability to post shit there.
I expected you to win something this season given how well you performed last. Even just a domestic cup. I also expected you to get out of your CL group like Leicester. Perhaps that's why I'm critical but given the players you have I don't think I was expecting anything that wasn't achievable. Hence why I think it's a disappointing end to the season.
I admire how your ability to throw a positive spin on shit posting.
What shit posting?
On the contrary, those who railed against what I said and stuck their heads in the sand should open their eyes a little. The notion of an "established top 4" consisting of the wealthiest clubs has long been collapsing, and has been further shredded this season.
But they performed well last season also, right up to a point of being genuine favourites for the title and we all know how that ended. This season they have performed well once again but, same as last season, will end up trophyless. In truth they were never really in the running for the title this season, Chelsea had it sewn up long ago. I do acknowledge the increase in points, goals scored etc but I just don't see that as a sure sign of significant progression. Not when you consider the likes of City, United and the champions elect Chelsea will no doubt spend heavily this summer, whereas Spurs will be unable to do so, at least not to the extent of the aforementioned.
Trying to convince everyone that its been a poor season for Spurs or that trophies is what matters for every club regardless of their past record etc. Hell, there was some guy who said 2nd place = 20th or something like that.
Yeah I agree with that. If Wenger decides to stay next season and with Sanchez and/or Ozil leaving it's hard to see how Arsenal will finish above Spurs. They would need to have a really great transfer window and the recent signings of Xhaka, Mustafi, Perez etc suggests they wont. Wenger doesn't seem to be that great in the transfer market anymore
I think Spurs have finished above Liverpool for like 6 out of the past 7 seasons and I don't see that changing unless Spurs really struggle at Wembley
Yeah, there is no denying that like I've stated in several posts here.
I am refering to those imaginary financial chickens you continuously claim will come home to roost for United. Compare the outlay for players like Sissoko\Pogba and Janssen\Mkhi with the annual turnover and you'll see what I mean. Your £30m is Uniteds £80+m.
Also see our wage to turnover ratio compared to some of the others in the league. If it wasn't for the money doped sugardaddy clubs with their amped up and rigged sponsor deals with their owners we'd be even better off.
Has it transpired into quality on the pitch though? Certainly not. But to claim we are some financial calamity is wishfull thinking.
That's not what I said.
Not now, no. But me and you have had discussions before where you've claimed that United will be down some financial pit due to our scattergun transfer approach, wages and newly adopted galactico strategy.
"Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost" as you've so beautifuly put it when discussing United's finances.
Reading our annual reports I can't see where that should come from though. United is probably the most financially healthy not sugardaddy infused club out there, with the possible exception of Bayern.
Wait, you're making things up here to suit your arguement. No one has said that Spurs have had a poor season, on the contrary in fact, they have had a very good season, but will still end up with nothing to show for it just as they did the previous season. That's a fact.
There were great many people (Spurs fans included even if they won't admit it) who expected a trophy from Spurs this season, let alone a title push.
I wonder how the Spurs players feel about their accomplishments, or lack theirof, this season, and I'm not referring to the PR stuff they blurt out to the media, I'm talking more on a personal level. Do you honestly believe they will be content with winning nothing yet again? I doubt their winning mentality if that be the case.
They should be more worried about the financial worries of their players. If there was a identical company to the one you are currently working at with just as good or better future prospects down the road paying 3x what you are currently getting, would you consider changing jobs?
This romantic notion that somehow the players has bought into a "project" means feck all when you balance £100k/week against £250k/week, with equal or greater chance of trophies.
Yes you cut the lead down, great but the actual moment, the one moment to truly pressurise them (1 point gap) you bottled.
Plenty of teams who will win nothing this season including good teams such as Barcelona and Athletico Madrid. Or how do you think Manchester City feel? With all the fuzz about them before this season? Of course we also want to win something, but not winning a trophy doesn't equal a bad season in my eyes. Heck, I wouldn't trade our position for Arsenal or you for that matter.
I'm sure Spurs fans are disappointed about the FA cup especially, but I don't think many of us actually thought we would be able to catch Chelsea although I'm proud we gave it a good go. Let's see what happens next season.
The last couple of pages are full of Utd fans ramming "Its been a disappointing season", "how long will Spurs fan put up with this", "There's been no progress" etc etc down everyone's throats. Feel free to scroll and check.
Yeah, they havent won anything, so what? Is every club's season now judged only based on the trophies they have at the end of it? That's borderline stupid. Just see the poll results in this thread to get a broad picture of what people expected from Spurs this season. Will Spurs fans forever be happy with competing for titles even if they dont win? Hell no. Does that mean they're already dissatisfied or ready to brand this season a disappointment? Hell no again. They're at a high point as far as their club is concerned and they'd be happy with how they did last season and looking forward to next season hoping for progress and hoping their side develops further and starts winning things, even if it starts with a cup.
Good to see how talking about Spurs in a positive light automatically makes me a Spurs fan for you
. I guess I should just join the gang and throw shit on them eh?Indeed. Money talks at the end of the day.
Disappointing is what I've said and I've explained why.
Don't go accusing me of talking shit for expressing an opinion.
I thought you were a Spurs fan, apologies.
No, not every club will be judged on their trophy count come the end of the season, but not every club in the league made significant strides like Spurs did last season did they? Spurs, based entirely on the exploits of the season prior, were expected to win something this time around. Burnely, West Ham and dare I say it Man United (
) not so much.Considering the money spent by United in the last 4 years - and the league positions it's given you - the "talk" sounds more like a strangled squeak.
Yes, the money spent on transfers by United will have a big impact on wether Spurs players get their heads turned by other offers. Stop trying to turn the argument around.
Climb down off your romantic pedestal. Spurs is just a football club like anyone else and your players will sooner or later demand market price for their talent. Romance is long dead in football.
Perhaps you can keep a player out of loyalty and promise of trophies if you are Barcelona and the player is some homegrown prodigy, that isn't the case for you though.
To borrow an expression of you, sooner or later the financial chickens will come home to roost.
Every season I get told the same thing: Spurs will be stripped of their best players and implode. Yet it never happens ... and won't happen this summer either.
There are some on here who seem to imagine that Spurs are some minnow club - helpless in a sea full of sharks. The reality is rather different.
You make yourselves sound like a minow club though when the shoe fits.
When it doesn't you speak of yourselves as a big one.
Trophies, trophies, trophies.
Your strongest card is Levy, imagine what it would take to pry Alli and Kane off him.
But seriously though, put your Spurs coloured specs down for a moment and just rationalize the difference between £100k\week and £250-300k\week, with equal or greater chance of trophies.
Wouldn't you be tempted as a player?
It probably won't happen this summer. But sooner or later Alli, Kane and Eriksen will start to demand what their counterparts at United\Citeh\Chelsea are making.
If I were a spurs fan my major disappointment wouldn't be yesterday, but losing to Chelsea in the cup and missing the chance to beat Arsenal in the final. Would have been an awesome way to say hello to their new temporary home.
They have a young, good team, a young, good manager, consecutive champions league qualifications, a fancy new stadium on the way and play out of London. I've got to say their future looks ever brighter. Good on 'em and I hope they win something next year.
They have a young, good team, a young, good manager, consecutive champions league qualifications, a fancy new stadium on the way and play out of London. I've got to say their future looks ever brighter. Good on 'em and I hope they win something next year.
Only in terms of net spend on transfers - and to some extent on wages. But then we have a new stadium complex to fund, after which ...
Never say never, tis a cardinal sin.
What you seem to be forgetting Glaston is that the higher Spurs finish in the league, the more attention will be paid to the players who got them there. Alli, Kane, Dier, Rose, Walker etc are currently hot property. Real are rumoured to have taken an interest in Alli and Kane, along with the rest of the footballing world no doubt, Walker is on the outs with Poch, Rose has lost his thorns etc.
Trust me, this transfer window is huge for Spurs are their debateable ambitions.
Walker may be sold, but then we have Trippier to replace him (who is pretty good in his own right), and the fat cheque we'd get will come in handy for strengthening the squad in other areas.
I don't see any of our star players being sold this summer - not unless they really, really want to leave, are willing to go abroad and we get a mind-boggling sum for them.
Of course. But then I'd be under contract - I couldn't just waltz off when it suited me. And I'd need to consider whether I'd be willing to leave England - and maybe uproot my family - for foreign climes. And I'd think about whether I wanted to leave Pochettino and a squad with great team spirit, and not get to walk out in the new stadium wearing a Spurs shirt, and maybe not get to regularly play as part of a starting XI.
Surprisingly Eriksen has stayed loyal for a while now, I don't think it'll be much longer though, footballers are human and if you can win somewhere else + add a good 30-40k to your wage you'd be an idiot not to take it, i'm sure even footballers see it that way too. You can only be loyal for so long before you want to actually win, if Spurs don't soon then they WILL lose their players, Modric and Bale didn't leave because Spurs were oh so mighty and successful, they left because Madrid gave them many things Spurs didn't, a wage increase and chances at titles, which has proven to be successful for both.
If you believe for one second that you won't be stripped of your good players because you're Spurs then i'm sorry but you're in for a right shock my friend. I do think the players will give it another shot, next year and maybe even another after that depending on how close you get next season, but to say they'll stay through tough seasons of no glory is just very very silly. Even if you taste success some of your bigger players may just leave, who knows? It's because Spurs ARE NOT a big club, which is something Spurs fans (some) think they are. When you're decently successful in Europe + you can win the micky mouse cups in England and not bottle the league winning 4/11 of your final games and having Leicester win the title, you might be in with a shout, until then I expect nothing more but silence from Spurs fans who believe they are something just because they finished 3rd and 2nd for 2 seasons where the top teams are extremely inconsistent or non existent at all (2015/16).
I genuinely believe Spurs CAN win things (not in Europe of course) but locally, they can of course, but the chances are very slim. Especially with the managers the bigger clubs have combined with the deep pockets, Spurs can not compete on a financial level so you have to pull out miracles of players every off season to keep challenging, deny it and argue all you want, it's usually what smaller clubs do. If we win the EL, we've had a more successful season than you lot so please don't bring that whole second place thing up.
Granted Levi is a stubborn old goat but even he has his price. Money does talk, contrary to popular belief, just ask the countless chairmen who have begrudgingly submitted to that one final irresistible bid. I hope they don't go to Real, as England fan I want to see our prospects playing in their home country and when I say our home country I mean United obviously.
I asked you to take of the Spurs specs, didn't I?
Do you think walking out with the United kit at Old Trafford or the Madrid kit at Santiago Bernabeu with an additional £150k\week in their pocket will be seen as a huge step down?
Your biggest card in this shuffle will be Levy who will demand something like £100m for both Alli and Spurs, and also be very weary of letting domestic teams buy them. But even then enough tapping up will make sure players like Alli and Eriksen with no historical ties to Spurs will down tools, Kane might be the exception.
Yes, and I said I'd be tempted by a big wage increase, even though I think you exaggerate the likely wage increase concerned.
You say "players like Alli and Eriksen ... will down tools". I'm willing to bet they won't.
Alright, let's call it poor posts in my opinion then.
One of the cups maybe. They'd be disappointed to not have won one too. The league? Not at all. Most predicted they'd fall out of the top 4.I thought you were a Spurs fan, apologies.
No, not every club will be judged on their trophy count come the end of the season, but not every club in the league made significant strides like Spurs did last season did they? Spurs, based entirely on the exploits of the season prior, were expected to win something this time around. Burnely, West Ham and dare I say it Man United (
I think Jansen is shite (que him somehow scoring against us).
He's your Memphis Depay .
People said the exact same thing last Summer.
Money is far from a guarantee of success.
In fact it helps Spurs have a settled team for 3 years running now with a fantastic young manager. If the other clubs have money, they certainly don't have what Spurs have and I'd argue it's good a competitive advantage as money.
How have Spurs not shown signs of progression?! Baffling...
I don't think they show sign of progression mentally. Yes, people will talk about 9 league wins in a row which is great but the same people had failed to look at them getting knock out of CL group stage, getting knocked out by the mighty Genk(?) in EL, getting knocked out of FA Cup by Chelsea even though playing better..
..and getting sucker punched by Westham when it matters the most.
Mentally it still looks like the same old Spurs even though the squad now is miles ahead on talents.
The thing, though, is when a club with money actually gets it right they make it count as Chelsea have proven multiple times. Looking at United I think the only difference between us and Spurs is that the form of our supporting cast was dire at crucial moments in the season - get Martial and Mkhi playing well with the form that Ibra was in we could have achieved lots in the league.
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