This is my sentiment too.
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Surely not finishing third in a 2 horse race again?
They've had a good season in the league, they'll most likely surpass 80 points which is quite big for Spurs.
This season was all about them consolidating their top 4 place which they've done. Next season should jbe been about trying to push on further and winning trophies, however with the move to Wembley it won't be as easy and I believe they'll take another top 4 finish and hope to push on when they move in to their new stadium.
Next season won't be easy basically always playing away.
This season was all about them consolidating their top 4 place which they've done. Next season should jbe been about trying to push on further and winning trophies, however with the move to Wembley it won't be as easy and I believe they'll take another top 4 finish and hope to push on when they move in to their new stadium.
Next season won't be easy basically always playing away.
Dont necessarily like Spurs, but that is simply nonsensical.
Look at the bigger picture mate, had someone offered you second place last August, I think every Spurs fan would have been more than happy.
Exactly. Like how no-one cares about 90s Newcastle (except to quote Keegan).
I'm pretty sure you rested players and played different people in those games then you normally do? I remember Kane on the bench in EL for a start
They play some lovely football, they've got a really good team and a really good manager who has potential to be a great manager.
Calling them bottlers for losing is stupid, they'd won 9 in a row and should be proud they've pushed Chelsea for this long.
All that said though, they desperately need to start winning things. Finishing 2nd or 3rd every season isn't going to be enough to keep that group together, especially with their strict wage budget. Comparisons to Atletico are a little off the mark in that Atletico in their little Golden period have won a couple of Europa Leagues, A Spanish Cup and La Liga. Spurs would kill for that.
Calling them bottlers for losing is stupid, they'd won 9 in a row and should be proud they've pushed Chelsea for this long.
All that said though, they desperately need to start winning things. Finishing 2nd or 3rd every season isn't going to be enough to keep that group together, especially with their strict wage budget. Comparisons to Atletico are a little off the mark in that Atletico in their little Golden period have won a couple of Europa Leagues, A Spanish Cup and La Liga. Spurs would kill for that.
Wrong, completely wrong! That's what is so bad about football these days...to think that 2rd, 3rd or 4th is some great achievement. So you're saying that you would rather be an Arsenal, getting into the top 4 every year, but not winning anything??
Spurs got top 4 last season but tanked in the Champions League and even the Europa so what was the point? Even if we do finish 5th, we'll still have had a better season than them. Five years from now, history will show that. It may just be a League Cup to you but it's a trophy. Jose's already written himself into the United history books and nobody will be able to take that from him.
Spurs are really doing well this season and have probably played some of the best football this year but they ain't won anything. I don't even think they'll do any better next year. Perhaps they'll take the Europa League more seriously, especially if we win it this year, I don't know. I guess a lot will depend on whether any of their big names get unsettled before next season with some big clubs potentially sniffing around their prized assets.
I really wanted them to win the league this year instead of Chelsea but after some of their fans behaviour towards Robbie, I hope they rot. I hope we stick 'em at their last WHL game too.
Will they keep their best players is the question. Kane, Alli and Erikson are eventually going to want to achieve success, and It's going to be extremely tough for them with Chelsea, Utd, City getting stronger year by year. Financially they cannot compete for top players, so they rely heavily on youth. Spurs are similar to Atletico Madrid (albeit not as consistent) in that they are always thereabouts, but never quite make it to the finish.
Last season the aforementioned clubs were having disasterous seasons (well at least Chelsea and Utd were) and it was their best chance to win it over Leicester. This season Chelsea have come back to form and are on the verge of winning the league, meanwhile Utd and City have been unusually inconsistent. It seems Spurs can only ever capitalise when the top teams in the Premier League are having poor seasons, but even then they fall short.
Last season the aforementioned clubs were having disasterous seasons (well at least Chelsea and Utd were) and it was their best chance to win it over Leicester. This season Chelsea have come back to form and are on the verge of winning the league, meanwhile Utd and City have been unusually inconsistent. It seems Spurs can only ever capitalise when the top teams in the Premier League are having poor seasons, but even then they fall short.
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When you consider that there are now four-six teams who are going to be wanting to compete for/win the league every season now though, it's pretty much guaranteed that at least one or two of them are going to be fairly inconsistent - even if Spurs fall off a bit next season, it's unlikely Chelsea, United, City and Arsenal/Liverpool will all finish with more than 80 points.
Depending on how things go at Spurs Kane/Alli/Eriksen may want to leave eventually, but barring an offer from Real/Barca/Bayern, who they're not probably good enough for yet to start regularly, I'm not sure where else they can go that gives them a definitively greater chance of success than what they've got now at Spurs: domestically there's no side Spurs haven't finished ahead of in the past two seasons, meaning the only significant, undisputed incentive to leave would be for more money. And I'm sure they're already on big wages anyway.
Athletico have won trophies and played a CL final.
Spurs have had another great season in the league
Myself and over 60% of the caf predicting they would not finish in top 4, have done so easily and improved again over last season. Finishing above Utd and city with the amount of cash spent is very impressive
I never really thought they could win it this season. They were never going to win every one of their games, so I don't see how it can be considered bottling, but then again any team that loses a big game is accused of bottling these days
Myself and over 60% of the caf predicting they would not finish in top 4, have done so easily and improved again over last season. Finishing above Utd and city with the amount of cash spent is very impressive
I never really thought they could win it this season. They were never going to win every one of their games, so I don't see how it can be considered bottling, but then again any team that loses a big game is accused of bottling these days
Just because they have exceeded some people's expectations doesn't mean they will be any less disappointed and right now Poch will be livid.
That's the attitude they should have anyway if they want to become winners. Simply shrugging ones shoulders and thinking 'ah well we have a lower net spend and were never really in it' is totally the wrong mentality.
If I was a Spurs fan I think I would have been more disappointed last season
This years Chelsea have looked too strong. It was always a big ask, especially considering the points difference a couple of months ago.
There's always a few top reds who will banter for the sake of banter (they just look a bit silly doing it).
Next season imo will be a problem as Wembley hasn't been good for you so far this year. You'll need to improve your away form next Season as no doubt you'll drop more points at 'home' than you have done this year.
Having said all that, I would be shocked if more than 1 of your players moved on in the Summer. The lack of Trophies won't be an issue as long as you're up pushing for the title. The issue will be if you have a mediocre season next year.
City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Us have to catch up to your level, fwiw I still expect you to finish in the Top 4 next year (unless you have issues in the market this summer with players leaving).
Both are disappointments although I doubt any of this lot will admit it. Perhaps as they haven't tasted any success yet they don't see it the same way we do.
Slumping so dismally in Europe, being knocked out of both domestic cups and not taking the title to the wire is underwhelming.
Indeed, it's absurd. To put it another way, in their last 20 PL games they've dropped points in 4 games, winning 16. How in fecks name is that bottling it!?
Has it ever occurred to you that not every fan-base has to have the same attitude? For them being in the conversation as one of the best teams in England is an achievement because for so long they're used to mismanagement and mediocrity.
You keep going on about winning, being winners, mentality etc and including their fans mentality in that, but if the game was all about winning they wouldn't have supported a club like Spurs in the first place. Most clubs in England don't win anything but their loyal supporters stick around for the passion which attracted them in the first place. You just come incredibly arrogant, snobbish and blinkered if I'm being honest.
It depends what they want to achieve doesn't it. They either want to win things or they are happy with doing what they are doing. If they want to become winners the mentality of settling for what they have done the past two seasons has to go.
I'm not sure why this is so controversial, blinkered or arrogant to you. It's a fact. After last season the dressing room should have been really fired up and determined to push all the way. Poch could have helped matters by making better transfer choices as their team is crying out for some experienced campaigners.
The future of Spurs is bright, for obvious reasons. But I have not said that United are "in the shite", merely that you've declined and that I don't see your return to being title challengers being accomplished by continuing down the path of big spending on "big names".
Indeed, it's absurd. To put it another way, in their last 20 PL games they've dropped points in 4 games, winning 16. How in fecks name is that bottling it!?
Spurs lose a match after an excellent winning streak = bottling for some people here.
Spending big is the only way to attract players of genuine quality, though.
I assume that you know of a viable alternative method to success, care to share that information?
The team has improved season by season - by every measure - since Pochettino took over. That's hardly something to be "put up with", but instead provides encouragement to stick with the project.
Walker might be sold this summer, but then I don't consider him to be one of our stars - simply a very good RB - and we have a good replacement (Trippier) ready to step into his shoes.
The stars in our team will all be at the club for next season.
Well that's not how they got Alli and Eriksen.
You only have to look at Spurs net spending on transfers - and then look at the players we have - to know that there is an alternative means of attracting players of genuine quality.
Here's a fact for you: They won nine in a row to cut thirteen points to four.
Oh and another one: Chelsea have had no European football and barely any notable injuries all season.
For Spurs to run them this far is a fine achievement. This idea that it's been underwhelming is snobbish. Getting into the Top 4 these days is a very difficult task and they've done it twice in a row for the first time. They've broken their PL points record with three games to go. Most teams would do anything to break that barrier.
Trophies are great but they're not the be-all and end-all. Why would people support 'small' clubs if they are?
Before they came to Spurs, both Alli and Eriksen were unknown quantities (Eriksen had fair reputation I admit) and were purchased in hope they would come good. Finding those hidden gems is great when it works out, but more often than not they fail. Spurs do business this way due to a limited transfer budget, that's fair enough, but if they had the funds to purchase ready-made stars I have no doubt in my mind that Poch would take that approach, and rightly so.
United have near unlimited resources, why take a risk on potentially great players when you can afford to buy the finished article? Besides, we have an academy constantly producing talented young footballers.
People need to get a grip. Spurs has had an excellent season where they once again exceeded the expectations with some excellent young players maturing. But it will be hard to keep them with the current wage structure. 200k is the market rates for Kane and Ali is also very much worth between 100-150k. Fair enough they are not going after money for now, but lets be honest you can't say NO everytime and they will have their heads switched eventually.
If they can keep the players, they will certainly be in top 4 next season
If they can keep the players, they will certainly be in top 4 next season
That's a matter of perspective, though. In my opinion they have most definitely not exceeded expectations, they have finished second in the league and will remain trophyless yet again. If we're being honest we would say that they have stagnated at best. Keeping those young superstars will becoming increasingly difficult the longer Spurs fail to be successful in the form of winning a trophy, that's just logic.
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Isn't that kind of what we did with Martial though? If rumours are correct we are looking to do the same with players such as MBappe, B.Silva and Fabinho etc.
Anyhow I was just refuting the notion that spending big money is the only way to get quality players. A strong scouting system leading to the picking out of youngsters can trump big big spending as can having a strong academy to produce your own footballers. You're right there'll be plenty of duds with this approach. That's why I maintain the best approach is to utilise all of these infrastructures. For someone like Spurs who can't compete for the biggest names, they have to rely more on the unknown quantities. They've done a pretty good job of it though as they've constructed a top team. But perhaps what Spurs are lacking, is that big money star who can give the whole team and fans an uplift.
Mbappe, Bernardo Silva and Fabinho are hardly what I would call hidden gems, mate. They are all but the finished article.
You're right about Martial, then again we did pay 30M for the guy so it wasn't exactly a wild punt, more an educated guess so to speak.
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It's a disappointing season. Just admit it. There's no shame in it but it is laughable that you're delighted with how things panned out over all competitions.
The team is too talented to continue doing nothing.
It's a disappointing season. Just admit it. There's no shame in it but it is laughable that you're delighted with how things panned out over all competitions.
The team is too talented to continue doing nothing.
I feel that with Poch they will make top 4 every year now and will also challenge for the title.
Big problems for some of Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United, since it does not make achieving top 4 finish easier.
Heres a fact for you. United are unbeaten in 25 league games.
Things that that are totally irrelevant aren't they unless you deliver.
It's underwhelming. Of course it is. When they started the season do you really think they would have dreamt about it panning out over all competitions in such a fashion?
The point is that is that you said earlier that "Spending big is the only way to attract players of genuine quality", when clearly that is not the case, as Spurs and others have shown.
Nor it is just a question of Eriksen or Alli, you can also look at Lloris, Rose, Alderweireld, Wanyama and others.
Of course United are in a different situation money-wise. However, since Fergie's last title-winning squad you have spent an absolute fortune but are further away than Spurs from title-challenging ... so it's not as if your approach has been going great guns.
What's laughable is your assessment.
We are have already amassed our highest ever points total in the Prem era, will likely finish 2nd (one place higher than last season), have been the only team to challenge Chelsea for the title, will finish in the top 4 for the 2nd successive season and so have CL football in scope again ... and all against a continuing backdrop of low spending on players in order to help finance the new stadium.
You call it "disappointing", I call it remarkable continued progress.
They arent.
Some of our squad players are on better salaries than Spurs first team players.
I am not sure how Spurs can maintain that, but fairplay to them.
They would've been considered 'hidden gems' before this season - especially Mbappe. The further proves the point big money spending isn't the only way as you look at these players such as Silva and Mbappe, and Monaco didn't shell out a lot to get them.
In any case I wasn't referring to 'hidden gems' in our case. The quote was 'potentially great players'. And those cited players are not the finished article. Now matter what Mbappe shown so far, the rumoured £80-100m figures would be a risk on an 18 year old. It's also disingenuous to Spurs who may have come to the same conclusions having done their homework that Alli has the makings of a top player.
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