You should be happy, good squad, great manager, good football (most of the time). But to continue to progress, you need to keep your best players>>>win things. With both Manchester clubs probably spending big this off season, it will be difficult to win, so goodluck, you'll need it!
The Spurs thread | 2016-2017 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned
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How long can you rely on what you have done in the past thou? Your the biggest club in England yet haven't challenged for the title since Fergie left? We're only coming out of transition as a club now.
We won't break our wage structure and don't want us to, we're competing with the sugar daddies and I'm happy. We're clearly exceeding expectations as a club so what more can I really ask for?
You need to make your mind up.
You are challenging for the title one minute then the next were never going to win it. So which was it?
The bottling thing does seem like on every big occasion the wheel comes off. Last season and now this.
We weren't in a winning position in either season so how did we "bottle it"? There is a massive difference between being favourites at the outset and challenging. But again we were never in a winning position. We're improving like I've said on numerous occasions.
So are you challenging then or were you never going to win it the past two years?
I'm not sure what you're saying.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about United as it's completely irrelevant to the Spurs discussion.
With the two imbeciles we've had in charge pre-mourinho I see this year and the years going forward as our true post-Fergie period. The previous years I'll just see as shellshock from Fergie leaving and the decision makers being on acid.
And yes, the last few years have been an embarassment for the biggest club in England. But one thing our stature as the biggest club in England and one of the biggest in the world can give us is means to put things right. We'll continue to toss £150m sized budgets at every transfer window until something sticks, just because we can. As an example Sissoko was about as big an investment for you guys that Pogba were to us when we measure by income. Really puts things into perspective doesn't it.
And yes, you probably won't break your wage structure, but if they continue their development players like Kane and Alli will sooner or later start demanding market price for their services. Both us, Citeh and Chelsea and clubs abroad will gladly offer them 2-3x what they are currently on at Tottenham.
If you keep going into details in your explanation you will realise that those two are different things.
Mourinho wanted his players to keep playing when they are injured on the pitch to show him their determination but he's not stupid enough to put players who are still injured on the bench and decide to play him because it would have been a waste of subs if the player end up with worse condition and also he had players who can cover them up. But today it's either Dembele isn't injured or the manager is stupid enough to play him while he's injured when he had spent big money on Sissoko for the purpose to cover injuries and still not using him.
This is getting hard. We were challenging but never in a winning position. Or were we thought of as a favourite at any stage of the seasons, we would of been relying on collapses from the opposition.
How can you possibly have a debate on any domestic silverware without discussing the opposition?
Not denying anything you say, but as a club we have progressed year on year. Increasing income and stature will boost us as a club. I have no excuse for Sissoko, none. I just hope we can get a good chuck of money back for him this summer. We just have to wait and see how Jose gets on to see if the transition is over.
Another trophyless season for Spuds.
Congrats on the 2nd place medals you eternal losers.
Congrats on the 2nd place medals you eternal losers.
This is my point. You can't have it both ways. If you were challenging then you bottled it. Your challenge failed right at the death. Second time in a row.
As a chasing team you have to keep turning on the pressure and wait. You couldn't do it.
What's your debate?
Tonight we are discussing Spurs' failed title challenge (or non challenge depending on how you want to spin it). I don't think it's possible to come away from the season with anything more than disappointment when you look at it on the whole
A) Couldn't push the race to the end (again)
B) Knocked out of a CL group you were expected to progress from
C) Dumped out of the EL by Gent
D) Beaten in the LC quarter finals by Liverpool
E) Thumped in the FA cup semi by Chelsea
This may seem harsh but it's got to be a reality check. The likes of Dele Alli and co crave success and if they don't get it they are gone. Spurs don't have the pull of other clubs to keep them.
If you win nothing next season I think you've missed your chance.
Problem with this logic is you can't then use Spurs past history to brush with Pochettino's Spurs because he has them improving year on year and breaking the club's PL records.
The biggest missed chance was winning 4 out of the last 11 games in the EPL season last year and having Leicester win it and even Arsenal come back and get second. Well and truly bottled that.
hard lines Spurs....you pushed Chelsea hard and played so many more games
problem Spurs have is adding a few more sprinkles of top quality
they will need to do some serious scouting as I'm not sure they can afford a top established star given the wage structure
problem Spurs have is adding a few more sprinkles of top quality
they will need to do some serious scouting as I'm not sure they can afford a top established star given the wage structure
I think it's even more disappointing that they didn't learn from that this season.
That's what I was looking for to see if they really had progressed and it seems not.
My point is if you aren't in a winning position how can you bottle it? Basically what ur saying any team that loses a game "bottled it". It a totally lazy debate to have, it's a dead end. By your theory you bottled the FA cup. If you don't win the EL you bottled it, life isn't like that. No one has a Devine right to win. If we don't win anything next year il be increadably dissappoited but life and sport isn't about saying "that's that" it's about picking up and moving on.
They have no alternative way of thinking to be fair, they don't have winners so they don't know what it takes to win, that much was evident this season. They need some serious scouting done for gems, hope players come on cheap wages or pray to god, with the Manchester clubs ready to spend big with world class managers I don't think they have a chance for a while. By then, Eriksen, Alli, Kane, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose, a good few are going to leave. It'll be a happy day though, at least it'll quieten down some of the obnoxious spurs fans on this forum.
I don't think you understand what bottling something means.
You had to hold your nerve and push Chelsea to the wire but you didn't. The same happened last season with Leicester when you dropped points against West Brom.
Chelsea were there for the taking in the FA cup having just been anhilated by United in the league - the occasion seemed to get to you and you fell apart.
In Europe you were poor throughout so didn't really bottle that but when the pressure seems to be on you can't get over the line. I'd say it's a worry given this set of players doesn't seem to be learning. I genuinely felt you'd go all the way this season as the squad would have last term on their mind and know what it takes to maintain a level right to the death.
No Glaston tonight?
It doesn't matter if you're in a winning position or not, if you're in the race for it, if you can actually compete to win it all and you don't or don't even come close (a la 2016) when it really matters then yes, you bottled it. I wouldn't say you bottled it this year since Chelsea happened but you definitely could have done a lot more this season, especially since you went out earlier than expected in some competitions, mainly EL. I don't think YOU know what bottling is.
I agree and as much as I like Poch he got it BADLY wrong in the market in the summer.
70m on substandard players who have barely featured this season. The more you look at that you have to say it's cost them on all fronts.
For sure I feel he tried to be a bit smart with Jansen hoping it pays off, terrible transfer window and you can't afford to have windows like this especially when you're trying to transition from a good club to a great club, EPL is very unforgiving, even we have witnessed that this season.
Flipping heck mate. Really any need for that?
Will be interesting to see where they go from here. Challenging for the title again and being a strong contender in Europe, or back to the dog fight for top four and embarrassment in Europe?
That's the issue Spurs have. They can't afford to make mistakes in the market given their appeal and budget.
The signings simply have to be spot on.
Generally some Spurs fans have started to get a little loud, too loud without anything to show for it, so of course.
Nail on the head pretty much, they have come up with some real gems over the years but I think they'll need a good few to stay competitive with the big dogs. Something I don't see happening.
Again. Another issue they have is Poch.
Players want to play for Mourinho and Pep. Forget what club they are at or how they are doing they are both a pull in itself. Even Klopp.
Spurs have to be very careful who they flop their budget on as it will be a disaster if they waste it again. It will also be unforgiving too with their players if it all goes pear shaped again.
I both agree and disagree with you but here's why. I feel like the targets United and City are going for are way out of Spurs' league, your point stands, they'd rather play for Mou or Pep but I don't really think Spurs can afford to give them a choice either way. I do think Poch is gaining a reputation but again, out of price range, all spurs can offer that we might not be able to, to the calibre of players they'll be going for is playtime.
They'll be competing with Liverpool for those dark horse signings, pre-Spurs I often didn't keep up with Poch's transfer business, how has it been?
For what it's worth, it has been a great season for Spurs. Remember last year, when they 'bottled' the best chance of winning the EPL and the class of managers coming in this season like Guardiola, Mourinho, and Conte with Klopp having a full transfer window to himself to make Liverpool even better, the only team who even mustered a challenge to Chelsea was the 'bottling' Spurs.
Great season and if they retain their team and make a few more additions, they would be definitely one of the teams that will be hoping to win the league next season.
Great season and if they retain their team and make a few more additions, they would be definitely one of the teams that will be hoping to win the league next season.
That's a fair point. We have a good scouting network that has got us a few gems at reasonable prices. Generally I think our signings have been pretty good in the past few years. Sissoko is an obvious exception and I've no idea what happened there. Wanyama has been a big success and Janssen has struggled but will get another season to make it here. You can't get every signing right and it's a shame that our biggest ever signing has been such a flop which has somewhat overshadowed that window. The likes of Son has really come good this year after a mixed first season so we can't right people off too soon.
Of course they've had a very good season and I think they've found another level. I do wonder about the self-celebration lately, talking about becoming one of the biggest clubs which reminded me of Arsenal's unbeaten side setting targets, Kompany talking about the quadruple. Inviting pressure when you've not really been at the top for long enough (or not at all) to convincingly say that.
It's very different of course, but what I think Ranieri did best last season was managing expectations.
Watching Spurs lately I think Wanyama is the player some of us cluelessly believed Fellaini could be for us. A powerhouse midfielder who can actually play. He doesn't slow them down, he can pass and receive the ball in tight areas. Looks a player.
It's very different of course, but what I think Ranieri did best last season was managing expectations.
Watching Spurs lately I think Wanyama is the player some of us cluelessly believed Fellaini could be for us. A powerhouse midfielder who can actually play. He doesn't slow them down, he can pass and receive the ball in tight areas. Looks a player.
Haha, this is so predictable. One loss in the league after 9 straight wins and Spurs are bottlers \ eternal losers and Poch is not a 'winner'.
I'm happy to see a few United posters speaking sense. And of course there are plenty of things to improve on, but most posts here are just wind ups.
Excited for next season, I think we're in a good position unless Wembley becomes a problem.
I'm happy to see a few United posters speaking sense. And of course there are plenty of things to improve on, but most posts here are just wind ups.
Excited for next season, I think we're in a good position unless Wembley becomes a problem.
So last year everyone wanted Leicester to win and Leicester always played first, so what's this years excuse?
Not exactly a bottle job but they concentrated on one trophy and Couldnt win it.Poch is a good manager but still has won feck all. Effort was good but when you aim for one trophy and dont win it, it is faliure.
Next year will likely be make or break for Poch and Spurs. They need to win something (even if its just LC) to maintain the forward momentum.
Another season without winning anything would likely see one or more of the core players leaving for other clubs that will offer better wages and higher likelihood of silverware.
Last time they had a good core that failed to win, they lost Modric and Bale to Madrid soon after.
Another season without winning anything would likely see one or more of the core players leaving for other clubs that will offer better wages and higher likelihood of silverware.
Last time they had a good core that failed to win, they lost Modric and Bale to Madrid soon after.
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