I'm done with your tiresome obsession. I've given my view. You don't like it. I get it.
So carry on about "par" by all means, but I've said all that I intend to say on the subject.
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I'm done with your tiresome obsession. I've given my view. You don't like it. I get it.
So carry on about "par" by all means, but I've said all that I intend to say on the subject.
His par concentrating on the now and how the squads are now shaped is strange given we're likely to have about 3 in our best 11 that were at the club three years ago.
Is their child actor midfielder Will Miller actually good?
He was cracking in Oliver Twist.
As a player, I don't know. He did OK in the two friendlies, but other Spurs fans may know a lot more about him than me.
You can not accuse me of not liking something, when i am not even able to understand the nuts and bolts behind how your "now par" and "current par" works and applies in real life situations.
You harp about your "pars and trend" about United and Spurs league positions in every other thread, but you are not ready to explain how it actually works. Please enlighten us posters so we can understand the concept. For us simpletons applying "pars and trends" the old fashioned way do not tally with your opinion.
I didn't think about it that way, I wish we had Eric Dier instead of getting Paul Pogba
no but seriously this thread is literally just for Glaston to pretend Spurs' first team are really good and we should all be jealous, and then for everyone to get annoyed at him.It means nothing, but they are having a shit pre-season. They have faced strong opponents though.
The conduct of some Man Utd fans in this thread has been awful.
Sounds like you're picking and choosing what to reply to. Worried you've been found out? Go back and reply to my initial comment. Can't handle the heat? I pity you Glaston
Are you kidding? Why is it that man united fans on this forum are held to such high standards in regards to their posts, yet our rival fans are not? Just because they (I mostly refer to Glaston...) are in the minority, does that mean they should be allowed to spew utter bile just because they carry years of baggage against our club? If united fans say irrational things here, they get called out on it. This forum is praised for its levelheadedness and general 'sanity'. Yet again, I ask why Glaston is not held to the same standards we hold ourselves. He's a WUM of the highest order, plain and simple.
He's not a WUM, he's just a bit mental.
Glaston is legit mate.
Shit due to one goal losses to Juventus and Atletico or shit because you watched the matches and thought the performances were poor?
Shit because the performances were poor. The first two games they looked jet lagged, but against Atleti they were just poor.
I thought the game against Juventus was a poorer performance, especially the first half. But fair enough.
But outside of having a bunch of injuries or losing by 5 goal margins every time, how exactly does a team have a shit preseason? It's about gaining fitness and giving opportunities to fringe and academy players. Obviously you never want to lose, even in pre season, but it's not as if we're talking about 4 or 5 goal defeats here.
Pre season is all about fitness. I thought Spurs played well in the first half especially early on. Atletico also did well considering they had just arrived the previous day after a 28 hour journey their players looked very tired and nowhere near their best but did enough to win.
I doubt Harrison will, I don't think he's ready yet but don't be surprised if you see Winks and Kyle Walker-Peters given time. Both are highly rated by Poch and Winks in particular stood out with his recent performances against Juventus and Atletico.
Ledley King. The spurs academy only really started to become a serious venture 10 years ago. You cannot expect to produce reams of first team talent in less than that time frame. It is now beginning to bear more fruit, there are several in the academy knocking on the door and I expect some of them to get playing time this season, Edwards, Winks, Kyle Walker-Peters, then there is Onomah who has already had some first team time. Harrison is also a possible in the next year or two but not this season I don't think.
You mean that divine right you have to win everything every season? Gotcha.
The arrogance in this thread. Seriously...
Because prior to Poch arriving Levy would buy players that represented "value" rather than what the team actually required. I think for the first time in Levy's chairmanship, he has got a manager he trusts to buy the players Poch wants and recommends. Levy's attitude/mentality has changed dramatically, Poch has the final say on all in-comings and outgoings, no previous manager has had that. The present and future (while Poch stays) will not be the same as the past.
The "best team in England" hasn't played a pre-season game yet.
Is this the 'redcafe vs Glaston' thread? Or is this meant to be a thread for debate about Spurs? Hard to decide which it is right now. Various points I have made in this thread have been dismissed outright because 'no because Glaston said something else and I'm gonna argue more with him' rather than give other Spurs fans views a listen. It's a very frustrating thread this. Stop the obsession with Glaston please, he is just one dude.
I disagree with that tbh, finishing above Utd is still a good achievement for Spurs. How many times have we managed it in past 20 years?
Yeah nothing has changed since I posted this:
If anything it has gotten worse. Just let me know the worst posters for the baiting and I'll ban them from this thread.
Glaston actually talks a lot of sense much of the time. He gets "ganged-up" on and I suspect that gets under his skin a bit and makes him rant sometimes. However, I also suspect part of the reason he gets "ganged-up" on is that deep down many Man Utd fans recognise that spurs are slowly improving and starting to become a genuine threat to the "Sky four", which isn't a comfortable feeling. As @Speak posted earlier, they see Leicester as "cute", but watch the feelings towards Leicester change if they "intrude" into the top 4 a couple more seasons.
How is the depth in this team?
That's not it at all to be honest. I'm not even trying to troll or be a dick when I say that I think Spurs will have a very tough job becoming a consistent top 4 club. No one denies that they are a good team, with a good manager, but the teams around them are improving majorly, making big signings, while also having much more money to work with. I have nothing at all against the club, I came to this thread because I enjoy debate. Most Spurs fans seem quite open to honest debate. It's just that irrational one bloke who deliberately provokes.
Well said mate. Blame must go both ways, though. Of course people will respond to deliberately inflammatory comments. But I do agree, this thread should be about general Spurs discussion.
Each to their view, but I've been talking about the squads as they have been recently/are now, rather than going back as far as 20 years ago .... because I don't see that earlier eras have much relevance to today.
I agree with you but people don't get past "old habits" easily. It's like the number of people on here that always predict Liverpool to finish above spurs in the league, based upon "old times" and ignoring the fact that spurs have finished above Liverpool for 7 of the last 8 seasons. The "Suarez year" being the one exception.
Seeing as the season hasn't started, we don't yet know if all the teams around Spurs will improve majorly. The second part of your statement is certainly true, but it doesn't necessarily lead to major improvement.
Spurs vs the sugar-daddies and the cheque book managers ... I look forward to it.
Aye, nothing wrong with cheque book managers when they're (the club) spending what they've earnt through hard work and success, spanning decades.
I agree with you, and your implied dig at Man City and Chelsea
Do you criticise hardworking businessmen from your armchair, let's say Bill Gates, for spending their hard earned money on things they can afford? All I see from you is a bitter man criticising a successful club for spending it's legitimately earned money on improving itself.
I agree with you, and your implied dig at Man City and Chelsea
it's more the baiting or dig from Glaston I was responding to. And he wonders why he's seen as a wum tbf.As I've already said, I haven't criticised United for spending money, I've criticised what the money has been spent on.
Moreover, attempting to buy success is obviously a legitimate strategy for clubs that can afford it and have earned their own money (I haven't said otherwise). It can be distinguished from, for example, youth development or coaching or reliance on a good scouting and transfer negotiation system.
When this approach is the dominant feature, then it can accurately be called cheque-book management. It's clearly been the most notable feature of United's approach since Fergie left - you only have to look at the net spend figure to see this - and looks set to continue, even accelerate, under Mourinho.
It's the same approach that's been taken by City for years now. The difference is that United have earned all of their money whilst City haven't.
Why do you object to calling it what it is?
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Do you expect us to get in the top 4 next season? I believe we'll have a very hard time of it, due to the increased strength of United, City and Chelsea. I actually feel our best chance of getting that fourth spot is to finish ahead of Arsenal. We were the better side than them last season, despite our collapse in the last few games. Arsenal also haven't strengthened much either, having only signed Xhaka. Yet to be seen if more signings are on the horizon.
Wanyama and Janssen are solid, if unspectacular signings. As mentioned previously, they provide depth in key areas, but I still feel we need another player going forward that provides something a little bit different. Perhaps that will be Nkoudou, but I have no expectations of immediate impact from him. We really lack a forward player with a bit of pace, N'jie could have been that missing link but due to his injury we may never know for sure.
I predict a slow start for us in the coming season, Dembele and Alli being out could be pivotal. Dembele in particular was a colossus for us last season, went very much under the radar due to all the Kante praise, despite putting in performances of a similar calibre. We will badly miss that energy and drive from midfield, as well as his ability to shield the ball under pressure and retain possession.
Personally, I think we'll finish 5th, which wouldn't be too disappointing at all. Finishing in the top 4 again would be fantastic and if we manage it we could really begin to establish ourselves as regulars in the Champions League, which would be incredible. What I'd really love though, is a cup. We've played some brilliant football of late and I'm delighted with the team, but what's the point of it all if we aren't picking up silverware? It's why I was furious at Pocchetino for throwing the Europa League tie against Dortmund, yes they were the superior side but we didn't even make a go of it. One of his few poor decisions, in my opinion. Had we beaten Dortmund we would have been favourites to win the entire tournament, of course we had a title race to consider but our next games were against Aston Villa and Bournemouth. It was definitely possible to play both.
Hopefully we can do ourselves justice in the Champions League, those nights with Bale tearing apart Maicon and Crouchy scoring late on to give us the win against A.C Milan were incredible for us. No expectations of course, other than 100% from the players.
Do you expect us to get in the top 4 next season? I believe we'll have a very hard time of it, due to the increased strength of United, City and Chelsea. I actually feel our best chance of getting that fourth spot is to finish ahead of Arsenal. We were the better side than them last season, despite our collapse in the last few games. Arsenal also haven't strengthened much either, having only signed Xhaka. Yet to be seen if more signings are on the horizon.
Wanyama and Janssen are solid, if unspectacular signings. As mentioned previously, they provide depth in key areas, but I still feel we need another player going forward that provides something a little bit different. Perhaps that will be Nkoudou, but I have no expectations of immediate impact from him. We really lack a forward player with a bit of pace, N'jie could have been that missing link but due to his injury we may never know for sure.
I predict a slow start for us in the coming season, Dembele and Alli being out could be pivotal. Dembele in particular was a colossus for us last season, went very much under the radar due to all the Kante praise, despite putting in performances of a similar calibre. We will badly miss that energy and drive from midfield, as well as his ability to shield the ball under pressure and retain possession.
Personally, I think we'll finish 5th, which wouldn't be too disappointing at all. Finishing in the top 4 again would be fantastic and if we manage it we could really begin to establish ourselves as regulars in the Champions League, which would be incredible. What I'd really love though, is a cup. We've played some brilliant football of late and I'm delighted with the team, but what's the point of it all if we aren't picking up silverware? It's why I was furious at Pocchetino for throwing the Europa League tie against Dortmund, yes they were the superior side but we didn't even make a go of it. One of his few poor decisions, in my opinion. Had we beaten Dortmund we would have been favourites to win the entire tournament, of course we had a title race to consider but our next games were against Aston Villa and Bournemouth. It was definitely possible to play both.
Hopefully we can do ourselves justice in the Champions League, those nights with Bale tearing apart Maicon and Crouchy scoring late on to give us the win against A.C Milan were incredible for us. No expectations of course, other than 100% from the players.
Alli isn't out, he's done his 3 match ban. As for Dembele, yes we'll miss him but Wanyama will obviously step in and although he's basically a defensive midfielder there is no reason why Poch can't instruct either Wanyama or Dier to play Dembele's role and drive forward as best they can. I don't see it as a disaster. Why do you predict a slow start? We had a slow start last season due to players bedding in and a general gelling but gained a lot of momentum later, no real reason to start slow this time. As for top four, how do you know Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea will have "increased strength"? Spending a shed load of money doesn't guarantee increased strength, at least not immediately. I think it's more likely those teams will have slow starts than spurs. When Man City first got the oil money they spent an absolute shed load of money on World class players and were crap the whole of the first season and well into the second season before they started to click. van Gaal spent a shed load of money in his two year tenure, what did that achieve? There is no certainty whatsoever that the two Mancs and Chelsea will be stronger in the short term. Also two of those teams have managers with no PL experience, I think Guardiola in particular is in for a shock, having highly competitive teams coming at him all season. He's not used to that. I would like to see at least one player brought in that would improve the starting eleven, that also automatically strengthens the squad depth. There's still a month of transfer window left so until it's known who has done what I think it's impossible to guess who the top 4 will be.
It must be a weird feeling to ever be looking up in the table at spuds.
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