Spuds are serial bottlers, but i felt for them today, I really hope they push on in the league as I fecking hate chelsea.
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Shearer has a bad habit of saying whoever won the game deserved to win the game.
He has the thought process of a child
He has the thought process of a child
I feel bad for spurs fans, they've got a phenomenal squad of players but are missing that edge to really push themselves to be #1. If they don't win anything next season I sense they'll struggle to hold onto Kane, Alli, Eriksen.
That Chelsea for you. They're seriously ruthless despite not really create much. So the best way to play against them is not trying to outplay them creatively, but completely shutting them down.
Completely right. A ruthlessly efficient team. 4 goals from 5 shots on target. Unbelievable.
What a shame really.
Not having a go at Tottenham, just stating how this Chelsea has been doing all season to get where they are. They're not really that good offensively like how media portray them. They're just ruthless. Quite large amount of their games are devoid entertainment value, but they just win games. That's the reason Mourinho took the snide at how media has double standard for his Chelsea team & this Conte's Chelsa.
I mean look at this. They are 8th in chance creation yet 3rd in goals scored, only trailing the best goalscoring side (Liverpool) by 4. It's ridiculous.
Mourinho was just being Mourinho there. He finds some sort of nonsense before every key game to wind up the oppo.
Its true that Conte's Chelsea team is closer in style to Mourinho's team than to say Ancelotti's Chelsea team. But there is still a decent amount of entertainment difference between Conte's team and Mourinho's team (even 2015-16). To put it simply Conte is not as afraid of losing as Mourinho is.
Sure, call us bottlers.
I don`t care.
If we continue to play like that against the big teams and they need to be as effective as Chelsea were today to beat us, I think we have a very good chance of picking up a trophy in the next couple of years.
In the great scheme of things we need a little luck to win trophys in England where we have 5 of the top 10 teams in the world as competitors (at least in terms of money to spend), all with a wage bill of 195-260% of what we currently have.
Many of us have lived life thinking we`ll probably never win the League or CL anyways, so just to be borderline competing two years in a row is a dream for most of us.
Have to say, finishing ahead of Liverpool has become a tradition that`s grown on me though.
Would be nice if we could ad finishing ahead of Arsenal as a new tradition.
I don`t care.
If we continue to play like that against the big teams and they need to be as effective as Chelsea were today to beat us, I think we have a very good chance of picking up a trophy in the next couple of years.
In the great scheme of things we need a little luck to win trophys in England where we have 5 of the top 10 teams in the world as competitors (at least in terms of money to spend), all with a wage bill of 195-260% of what we currently have.
Many of us have lived life thinking we`ll probably never win the League or CL anyways, so just to be borderline competing two years in a row is a dream for most of us.
Have to say, finishing ahead of Liverpool has become a tradition that`s grown on me though.
Would be nice if we could ad finishing ahead of Arsenal as a new tradition.
Yeah, and as I am sure you'll agree, Mou was right to do so.
Think back to the last time Chelsea won the league, specifically when we played them away. We were all over them, yet Hazard needed just one chance to get the goal they needed to beat us.
The tactical set up may be different but fundamentally Conte's Chelsea is the same as Mou's. It's not about creating tons and dominating the ball. It's about being ruthless with chances, and giving themselves the platform to counter. Yet while Mou was labelled boring Conte is hailed. Shows the laziness of football opinion.
I think Kane and Alli are world beaters in the making.
It will be interesting to see if they loosen their wage structure over the coming couple of years, which will be needed to keep hold of these players when they are really in their pomp.
It will be interesting to see if they loosen their wage structure over the coming couple of years, which will be needed to keep hold of these players when they are really in their pomp.
I may sound OTT with like last post in regard to entertaining value. I meant that the media makes it like prime Barcelona. There is different style of football & appreciation to different style of play. There is no absolute way to play the game. Apologize for that.
Back to Tottenham, seems like Wembley has been a curse for them this season. Playing the whole season there next season sounds like disaster in waiting. They're definitely desperate to win FA Cup this season especially at Wembley. They may not be able to afford slow start next season or the Wembley curse would get in their players' heads & other teams would fancy having a go at them there next season. Their home form has been phenomenal this season.
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I presume this is aimed at @Zen but that's not what he actually said. He said over the last 2 seasons combined Spurs have been the best team. Which is true, as the leaders this year were shite last year and the winners last year have been shite this year.
Spurs are definitely missing Rose and Walker, both on song. I don't agree in that they were in control today, and they were never actually in the lead at any point during the game, instead going behind three times. They dominated possession yes, which is always a positive. However, I'd consider having possession as a more significant contribution to a 'dominant' performance when the other team is actively trying to retain possession themselves. Chelsea were more than happy to sit back and play on the break today, and I think the inclusion of Willian over Hazard highlights their emphasis on maintaining a secure base first before transitioning to attack.
Neither side played exceptionally well. It was a more a game decided by moments of brilliance rather than momentum. The record for Spurs at Wembley is a concerning one however, and they will want to do everything they can to ensure Wembley doesn't hamper their progress thus far. Sooner or later Poch, has to atleast come within touching distance of silverware and unfortunately in a cup competition conceding 4 goals- no matter how good your performance- is a bummer.
Neither side played exceptionally well. It was a more a game decided by moments of brilliance rather than momentum. The record for Spurs at Wembley is a concerning one however, and they will want to do everything they can to ensure Wembley doesn't hamper their progress thus far. Sooner or later Poch, has to atleast come within touching distance of silverware and unfortunately in a cup competition conceding 4 goals- no matter how good your performance- is a bummer.
Yeah that would be an insane thing to say for anyone. Liverpool and even spurs of late have been better to watch than Chelsea so were city and arsenal at the start of the season.
No denying Tottenham is very these couple seasons, but it's sport. What matters is winning thing in front of you. Leicester won the league fair & square. Chelsea thus far deserved to be at top of the table. L'pool team between 2007-2009 would win the league now with their quality, but they got beaten by the better team back then. No argument.
TBF, Tottenham mostly didn't concede from complete open play = Chelsea didn't really counter attack properly. 3 goals were set pieces related. Tottenham pretty much dominated & prevented Chelsea to even counter attack. It's not same game vs Arsenal where Chelsea was in control defensively & could counter attack easily. As other poster mentioned 4 goals from 5 shots on target is ridiculous.
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Hopefully the media will stop talking about them as though they dominate all the trophies year after year
Spurs look set to be the new Arsenal.
Fairly content to be a top 4 side but never really troubling the big prizes and always folding at clutch moments.
Fairly content to be a top 4 side but never really troubling the big prizes and always folding at clutch moments.
How are they paying for the new ground? by which i mean are they funding it through borrowing in a similar way to when Arsenal built the Emirates? I wonder if they will have to tighten their belts for a while whilst they are paying it off if that's the case?
Really think Pochettino should've gone with 4-3-3 if he wanted to start his quartet of Kane-Alli-Son-Eriksen. He had Son who was the FA cup top scorer and scored 8 goals in his last 6 matches but probably never played as a defender in any official game in his entire life. Why he thought it'd be a good idea to give him his first debut as a wingback, against Chelsea of all teams, I have no clue. It's like if we started Rashford and Martial as wingbacks. Shifting right-footed Trippier to left didn't make things any better.
No Levy learned from what Arsenal did.
A) We've been saving money for this stadium for over a decade.
B) We're not taking quick cash sponsorships to try and get as much money upfront while being less money overall.
C) We're also pulling funding from the NFL and elsewhere.
The belts have already been tightened and were so ages ago when they were trying to buy the property surrounding WHL. You won't see an Arsenal level sell-off for funding.
They've still got a very exciting team and manager. Need to push for some silverware soon though and find some good backups for their fullbacks because it seems to me that Rose and Walker are absolutely integral to their success.
I think Eriksen can be rightfully compared to Beckham in how accurate his crosses are
Looking like another trophyless year, which is surprising considering some of the lot on here and in the media rave on about them as if they're peak Barcelona. Pochettino still has a lot to prove, can he turn this good football into silverware? Still yet to be seen. Alli and Kane are top players though, they'd do well to keep hold of them.
Ah ok That's good and very sensible.
I was just wondering really, but as far as team building goes you have done a really good job but i was thinking that if you had to pay off the new ground then you might have to cut the wage bill and sell players off.
Their main problem is their bench... They make a defensive substitution for Son... then when they fall behind, there's no Hazard or Costa waiting on the sidelines nor even a Martial or Rooney.
We should try to sign Willian during the summer... he seems pretty pissed off right now.
We should try to sign Willian during the summer... he seems pretty pissed off right now.
I know this means Tottenham doesn't have to wholesale squad to add fund for stadium project. Question, how big is the fund for transfer to add that extra quality/ edge to push to next level? Tottenham will need to tie players down to new contract & improved wage too.
Really shocked by the score. If ever there was a good time to play Chelsea it was now and they just failed to deliver.
At some point the wheel is going to come off at Spurs. Some of their players are too good to accept mediocrity for much longer.
At some point the wheel is going to come off at Spurs. Some of their players are too good to accept mediocrity for much longer.
May I say that cup matches are always a hit-or-miss?
I like how Spurs played yesterday. They dominated but Chelsea were more clinical. But for cup matches, sometimes it depends on a lot of luck. Arsenal did well in the FA Cup for the past few seasons because they were relatively lucky by being drawn with weaker teams.
Spurs were poor in Europe because of Wembly. They were invulnerable at White Hart Lane, but only won once out of 5 times in Wembley this season, and lost 3 times so far already!
There is no panic. This squad is good. They can win trophies. And Spurs always has up and coming young players ready for the first team.
I like how Spurs played yesterday. They dominated but Chelsea were more clinical. But for cup matches, sometimes it depends on a lot of luck. Arsenal did well in the FA Cup for the past few seasons because they were relatively lucky by being drawn with weaker teams.
Spurs were poor in Europe because of Wembly. They were invulnerable at White Hart Lane, but only won once out of 5 times in Wembley this season, and lost 3 times so far already!
There is no panic. This squad is good. They can win trophies. And Spurs always has up and coming young players ready for the first team.
That's the golden question right there.
We're consistently doing the second bit of tying players down to new contracts and increasing wages to key contributors, so that's not a worry.
As far as transfer additions? We need to try and be canny and hope for the best - the best asset we've got at the moment is showing young players that there's an avenue for playing time here. I'd expect our transfer business to look like the business done by clubs like Monaco, Dortmund, Leipzig, etc. Hopefully we can be close to as successful as those clubs at it. With one or two more academy products making more appearances to help the squad develop as a whole. Harry Winks looked very good this season before the injury and I'd expect to see even more of him next year. Joshua Onomah is another who is promising, but hasn't done the business when given the chances. Then there's Cameron Carter-Vickers (CB), Kyle Walker-Peters (RB), and Marcus Edwards (AM) who are the ones I'd expect to make more appearances next season.
I wouldn't expect a large outlay money wise, probably close to 50-70mil on a close to zero net spend once again. It appears the loan moves of Bentaleb, Njie, and Fazio have all sealed permanent transfers which gives us a start of around 30mil in the kitty. Then I'd expect Sissoko and Wimmer to be sold. Lamela and Trippier could also be sold if the offers are good enough. Then there's Nkoudou and Janssen who I think will stay to try and prove themselves although some may think they'll be sold. I personally think Janssen is going to come good, which I know at this moment seems far fetched.
An example of some incomings we could expect would be Barkley and Zaha and I'm pretty sure at least one will have the chicken badge on his shirt come next season. Otherwise I'd expect some punts on random young footballers.
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Yeah, cause Mourinho's teams are known for playing entertaining fotball. Jose's just doing what he's always done, deflecting attention from himself and his own struggling team.
The first two goals came were results of counter attacks. Both Pedro and Moses were fouled as they were entering the 18-yard box, one was stopped outside of it, the other inside. So Willian's freekick and a penalty were direct results of those counter attacks and Spurs failing to stop them without fouling CFC players in dangerous areas.
Called it before. This excellent Spurs team will have spent last, this, next and conceivably the seaon after next being excellent and still end up potless. Then Poch will leave and they'll enter another period of winning nothing while being average before someone else makes them competitive again and they again fail to win anything. Tottenham should be renamed It's In Their DNA FC.
slow your roll
And Chelsea fans are doing what they always do, Outraged by everything Jose says without even understanding what he said.
I along with other fellow Chelsea supporters know Mourinho much better than most United fans, for obvious reasons. He's not doing anything new or original. I don't feel any bitterness towards him managing MU and I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a few trophies with the club, given his pedigree and huge financial resources at his disposal. But it's a well-known fact that Murinho's Chelsea were criticized constantly for being too pragmatic and dull, too defensive oriented. It was 'boring boring Chelsea'. Conte's Chelsea is a counter attacking team, but it's more adventurous than Mourinho's version ever was, and in his first stint at CFC Jose had the best and the deepest squad in terms of talent in the club's history.
It's amaizing that Spurs are the second best team in England. I mean, they are good but nothing special really. Monaco shat on them and Genk beat them too. The fact that City, United and Arsenal are bellow them in the PL means only one thing: they are having a really bad season.
Then it's a shame you guys fall for media headlines.
Correct. The narrative seems to be that Chelsea were insanely clinical and that Spurs dominated. Having watched the game I'm surprised as I can't really remember a Spurs shot on target that didn't go in.
Both teams were very clinical but both Spurs goals came from individual moments of magic from Kane/Erikson.
I also think the occasion got to the Spurs' team. They were making silly tackles, leaving Hazard and Matic unmarked on the edge of the area for the third and fourth (although you can't legislate for the Matic strike) and Lloris' lapse in concentration for the first.
Despite Spurs dominant spells I always thought Chelsea looked far more dangerous and in truth the best defence in the league could have conceded 5 or 6 in the end. Despite everyone waxing lyrical "naive" and "overawed" would be my description of their performance.
You guys might have won the league last season but they were the moral champions. Especially after your evil sacking of innocent Ranieri.
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