Gaming The SM RedCafe League

[BenitoSTARR]

If Southend are banned shouldn’t they remove their bids on current players?

 

[RedSky]

If Southend are banned shouldn’t they remove their bids on current players?

Why is he banned?

 

[Dans]

Why is he banned?

For breakin the law, breakin the law.......

 

[green_smiley]

DRAFT (DERBY COUNTY)

# of players available: 26 (due to minimum squad size of 21, loans not included)

Rules

1. Refer to "Draft Order"
2. 12 hours per pick, starts now. Miss out means you relinquish your pick
3. Declare your pick, then bid (doesn't have to wait until draft is finished)
4. Inform the next person in draft order
5. Cash only. No P/E
   • Squad value <100m: 1.1x FV
   • Squad value 100m-200m: 1.3x FV
   • Squad value 200m-400m: 1.5x FV
   • Squad value >400m: 2x FV
6. You can skip if you want to, and/or if you are unable to bid (skipping in advance is encouraged)
7. Must comply with FFP
8. NEW: Bid must be made within two weeks of your pick otherwise you forfeit the player
9. After draft is completed, Damien will check if rules are followed before accepting those bids
10. After all bids have gone through, Damien will withdraw from Derby County

Draft Order

Spoiler: Draft Order

Preston North End - Tammy Abraham (£14.08M)
Charlton Athletic - Dean Henderson (£7.8M)
Kidderminster Harriers - Mikel Oyarzabal (£31.2M)
Leyton Orient - Patrik Schick (£7.28M)
Mansfield Town - Kyle Walker-Peters (£2.08M)
Queens Park Rangers - Matheus Fernandes (£6.5M)
Bury - Missed out
West Ham United - Dusan Vlahovic (£4.2M)
MK Dons - Everton Soares (£24M)
Ipswich Town - Thomas Meunier (£23,040,000)
Tottenham - Lucas Digne (£21M)
Bristol City - Kristoffer Ajer (£6M)
Blackburn Rovers - Diego Llorente (£15M)
Southampton - Missed out
Barnsley - Evander Ferreira (£4.5M)
Hereford - Skip
Cardiff City - Transfer Banned
Norwich City - £313.4M
Bournemouth - Yangel Herrera (£4.5M)
Fulham - Wissam ben Yedder (£21,624,000)
Chelsea - Missed out
Middlesbrough - Skip
Newcastle Utd - Skip
Darlington - Skip
Liverpool - Missed out
Aston Villa - Missed out
Manchester City - Kerem Demirbay (£27,787,000)
Sunderland - Skip
Wolves - £435.5M
Southend Utd - £465.7M
Arsenal - £489.1M
Nottingham Forest - £525.8M
Everton - £593.5M
Manchester Utd - £694.7M

 

[RedSky]

For breakin the law, breakin the law.......

What law? I'm confused.

 

[green_smiley]

What law? I'm confused.

I withdrew one of my cash bids 2 minutes too late, so...

 

[RedSky]

Ah.

I even warned you about it in the conversation you dumb dumb.

 

[green_smiley]

DRAFT (DERBY COUNTY)

# of players available: 26 (due to minimum squad size of 21, loans not included)

Rules

1. Refer to "Draft Order"
2. 12 hours per pick, starts now. Miss out means you relinquish your pick
3. Declare your pick, then bid (doesn't have to wait until draft is finished)
4. Inform the next person in draft order
5. Cash only. No P/E
   • Squad value <100m: 1.1x FV
   • Squad value 100m-200m: 1.3x FV
   • Squad value 200m-400m: 1.5x FV
   • Squad value >400m: 2x FV
6. You can skip if you want to, and/or if you are unable to bid (skipping in advance is encouraged)
7. Must comply with FFP
8. NEW: Bid must be made within two weeks of your pick otherwise you forfeit the player
9. After draft is completed, Damien will check if rules are followed before accepting those bids
10. After all bids have gone through, Damien will withdraw from Derby County

Draft Order

Spoiler: Draft Order

Preston North End - Tammy Abraham (£14.08M)
Charlton Athletic - Dean Henderson (£7.8M)
Kidderminster Harriers - Mikel Oyarzabal (£31.2M)
Leyton Orient - Patrik Schick (£7.28M)
Mansfield Town - Kyle Walker-Peters (£2.08M)
Queens Park Rangers - Matheus Fernandes (£6.5M)
Bury - Missed out
West Ham United - Dusan Vlahovic (£4.2M)
MK Dons - Everton Soares (£24M)
Ipswich Town - Thomas Meunier (£23,040,000)
Tottenham - Lucas Digne (£21M)
Bristol City - Kristoffer Ajer (£6M)
Blackburn Rovers - Diego Llorente (£15M)
Southampton - Missed out
Barnsley - Evander Ferreira (£4.5M)
Hereford - Skip
Cardiff City - Transfer Banned
Norwich City - £313.4M
Bournemouth - Yangel Herrera (£4.5M)
Fulham - Wissam ben Yedder (£21,624,000)
Chelsea - Missed out
Middlesbrough - Skip
Newcastle Utd - Skip
Darlington - Skip
Liverpool - Missed out
Aston Villa - Missed out
Manchester City - Kerem Demirbay (£27,787,000)
Sunderland - Skip
Wolves - Skip
Southend Utd - Skip
Arsenal - £489.1M
Nottingham Forest - £525.8M
Everton - £593.5M
Manchester Utd - £694.7M

@Varun

 

[infamous7]

snitches get riches and a better chance at some youth prospects.

 

[2mufc0]

 

[Damien]

adding to OP:
green_smiley - 8th May 2020 - 8th June 2020 - 1st violation

 

[CrackersJr]

adding to OP:
green_smiley - 8th May 2020 - 8th June 2020 - 1st violation

Now would be a great time for them to start adding ALL the super talents of the next decade.....

 

[Varun]

Was tempted but will pass

@The Taurean

 

[The Taurean]

Skip. @Damien

 

[Ravelation]

 

[Damien]

Skip. @Damien

It'll be the only signing I'll be able to make this year with my luck in bidding wars, so will make the most of this 12 hour period and choose carefully.

 

[Damien]

Everton took Lookman. I've reluctantly decided to skip. There's one pick that might have been worth the gamble but I need younger players. Draft over.

DRAFT (DERBY COUNTY)

# of players available: 26 (due to minimum squad size of 21, loans not included)

Rules

1. Refer to "Draft Order"
2. 12 hours per pick, starts now. Miss out means you relinquish your pick
3. Declare your pick, then bid (doesn't have to wait until draft is finished)
4. Inform the next person in draft order
5. Cash only. No P/E
   • Squad value <100m: 1.1x FV
   • Squad value 100m-200m: 1.3x FV
   • Squad value 200m-400m: 1.5x FV
   • Squad value >400m: 2x FV
6. You can skip if you want to, and/or if you are unable to bid (skipping in advance is encouraged)
7. Must comply with FFP
8. NEW: Bid must be made within two weeks of your pick otherwise you forfeit the player
9. After draft is completed, Damien will check if rules are followed before accepting those bids
10. After all bids have gone through, Damien will withdraw from Derby County

Draft Order

Spoiler: Draft Order

Preston North End - Tammy Abraham (£14.08M)
Charlton Athletic - Dean Henderson (£7.8M)
Kidderminster Harriers - Mikel Oyarzabal (£31.2M)
Leyton Orient - Patrik Schick (£7.28M)
Mansfield Town - Kyle Walker-Peters (£2.08M)
Queens Park Rangers - Matheus Fernandes (£6.5M)
Bury - Missed out
West Ham United - Dusan Vlahovic (£4.2M)
MK Dons - Everton Soares (£24M)
Ipswich Town - Thomas Meunier (£23,040,000)
Tottenham - Lucas Digne (£21M)
Bristol City - Kristoffer Ajer (£6M)
Blackburn Rovers - Diego Llorente (£15M)
Southampton - Missed out
Barnsley - Evander Ferreira (£4.5M)
Hereford - Skip
Cardiff City - Transfer Banned
Norwich City - £313.4M
Bournemouth - Yangel Herrera (£4.5M)
Fulham - Wissam ben Yedder (£21,624,000)
Chelsea - Missed out
Middlesbrough - Skip
Newcastle Utd - Skip
Darlington - Skip
Liverpool - Missed out
Aston Villa - Missed out
Manchester City - Kerem Demirbay (£27,787,000)
Sunderland - Skip
Wolves - Skip
Southend Utd - Skip
Arsenal - Skip
Nottingham Forest - Skip
Everton - Ademola Lookman (£7,984,000)
Manchester Utd - Skip

 

[Damien]

Welcome to the league @LungiDevil. Your FFP (squad cap) is 55, I believe.

 

[Dom Gill]

@LungiDevil welcome. If you need anything just ask. Plenty of people here that will happily help you get to grips with the game.

 

[Ravelation]

welcome @LungiDevil

 

[The Taurean]

It'll be the only signing I'll be able to make this year with my luck in bidding wars, so will make the most of this 12 hour period and choose carefully.

Maybe you can finally get rid of Boateng this season.

 

[christy87]

Maybe you can finally get rid of Boateng this season.

The new James McCarthy

 

[infamous7]

Boateng for face value
Let's do it

 

[BenitoSTARR]

I withdrew one of my cash bids 2 minutes too late, so...

And now a ban seems perfectly reasonable as a response for this tremendous offence!

 

[gaz1185]

@Damien can you get the Derby bids accepted when you get a chance, tah

 

[Damien]

@Damien can you get the Derby bids accepted when you get a chance, tah

Done.

 

[Damien]

Manchester United real life transfers (Summer 2020)

Done deals

1. Josep Martinez (21/80) to RB Leipzig

Rumours

1. David Alaba (27/93) to Inter*
2. Malang Sarr (21/87) to Gladbach**
3. Dario Maresic (20/83) to Fenerbahce***
4. Jean-Ricner Bellegarde (21/83) to Fiorentina
5. Diogo Leite (21/82) to Valencia
6. Axel Disasi (22/82) to Arsenal****
7. Eddie Salcedo (18/76) to Hellas Verona

* oh god no
** is a free agent, been linked to various German clubs and says he wants to go to that country. Hope he does go to Gladbach as they've been good for Elvedi and Zakaria
*** feck my luck with CBs
**** can't see it happening

Likely to move but nothing solid

1. Jerome Boateng (31/91)
2. Ruben Dias (22/90)
3. Cengiz Under (22/89)
4. Yan Valery (21/83)

Wish they'd move but probably won't

1. Andreas Christensen (24/90)
2. Sergino Dest (19/85)
3. Armel Bella-Kotchap (18/78)

 

[gaz1185]

Done.

Cheers!

 

[Damien]

Top 50 best teenagers in the world sorted by club (thereby sorting out the argument of who has the best youth once and for all):

Pos.	Club	# of Players	Players
1	Nottingham Forest	7	Eduardo Camavinga (#2), Ansu Fati (#8), Myron Boadu (#12), Tanguy Kouassi (#16), Karim Adeyemi (#25), Ilaix Moriba (#42), Eduardo Quaresma (#47)
2	Southend United	4	Mohamed Ihattaren (#4), William Saliba (#10), Ryan Gravenberch (#30), Adam Hlozek (#36)
3	Manchester City	3	Rayan Cherki (#1), Rodrygo (#5), Lucien Agoume (#44)
=	Sunderland	3	Reinier (#7), Dario Sarmiento (#34), Benoit Badiashile (#39)
=	Arsenal	3	Adil Aouchiche (#13), Kang-in Lee (#38), Joshua Zirkzee (#45)
=	Fulham	3	Thiago Almada (#15), Joao Pedro (#26), Strahinja Pavlovic (#49)
=	Newcastle United	3	Pedri (#17), Giovanni Reyna (#21), Jeremy Doku (#37)
8	Everton	2	Mason Greenwood (#3), Jude Bellingham (#14)
=	Barnsley	2	Gabriel Martinelli (#6), Takefusa Kubo (#27)
=	Aston Villa	2	Billy Gilmour (#11), James Garner (#35)
=	Hereford	2	Eric Garcia (#18), Matias Palacios (#43)
=	Milton Keynes Dons	2	Naci Unuvar (#20), Kacper Kozlowski (#46)
=	Cardiff City	2	Fabio Silva (#22), Joelson Fernandes (#40)
=	Wolverhampton Wanderers	2	Gabriel Veron (#32), Curtis Jones (#48)
15	Chelsea	1	Bukayo Saka (#9)
=	Tottenham Hotspur	1	Sebastiano Esposito (#19)
=	West Ham United	1	Talles Magno (#23)
=	Middlesbrough	1	Robert Navarro (#24)
=	Leyton Orient	1	Ronaldo Camara (#28)
=	Bristol City	1	Yari Verschaeren (#29)
=	Liverpool	1	Filip Stevanovic (#31)
=	Blackburn Rovers	1	Victor Mollejo (#50)

Managed clubs without a top 50 teenager, in descending order of most valuable club:
Manchester United, Darlington, Bournemouth, Southampton, Ipswich Town, Bury, Queens Park Rangers, Mansfield Town, Kidderminster Harriers, Charlton Athletic, Preston North End, Leeds United

 

[The Taurean]

Top 50 best teenagers in the world sorted by club (thereby sorting out the argument of who has the best youth once and for all):

Pos.	Club	# of Players	Players
1	Nottingham Forest	7	Eduardo Camavinga (#2), Ansu Fati (#8), Myron Boadu (#12), Tanguy Kouassi (#16), Karim Adeyemi (#25), Ilaix Moriba (#42), Eduardo Quaresma (#47)
2	Southend United	4	Mohamed Ihattaren (#4), William Saliba (#10), Ryan Gravenberch (#30), Adam Hlozek (#36)
3	Manchester City	3	Rayan Cherki (#1), Rodrygo (#5), Lucien Agoume (#44)
=	Sunderland	3	Reinier (#7), Dario Sarmiento (#34), Benoit Badiashile (#39)
=	Arsenal	3	Adil Aouchiche (#13), Kang-in Lee (#38), Joshua Zirkzee (#45)
=	Fulham	3	Thiago Almada (#15), Joao Pedro (#26), Strahinja Pavlovic (#49)
=	Newcastle United	3	Pedri (#17), Giovanni Reyna (#21), Jeremy Doku (#37)
8	Everton	2	Mason Greenwood (#3), Jude Bellingham (#14)
=	Barnsley	2	Gabriel Martinelli (#6), Takefusa Kubo (#27)
=	Chelsea	2	Bukayo Saka (#9), Billy Gilmour (#11)
=	Hereford	2	Eric Garcia (#18), Matias Palacios (#43)
=	Milton Keynes Dons	2	Naci Unuvar (#20), Kacper Kozlowski (#46)
=	Cardiff City	2	Fabio Silva (#22), Joelson Fernandes (#40)
=	Wolverhampton Wanderers	2	Gabriel Veron (#32), Curtis Jones (#48)
15	Tottenham Hotspur	1	Sebastiano Esposito (#19)
=	West Ham United	1	Talles Magno (#23)
=	Middlesbrough	1	Robert Navarro (#24)
=	Leyton Orient	1	Ronaldo Camara (#28)
=	Bristol City	1	Yari Verschaeren (#29)
=	Liverpool	1	Filip Stevanovic (#31)
=	Aston Villa	1	James Garner (#35)
=	Blackburn Rovers	1	Victor Mollejo (#50)

Managed clubs without a top 50 teenager, in descending order of most valuable club:
Manchester United, Darlington, Bournemouth, Southampton, Ipswich Town, Bury, Queens Park Rangers, Mansfield Town, Kidderminster Harriers, Charlton Athletic, Preston North End, Leeds United

List RS made is more reasonable.

 

[CrackersJr]

Top 50 best teenagers in the world sorted by club (thereby sorting out the argument of who has the best youth once and for all):

Pos.	Club	# of Players	Players
1	Nottingham Forest	7	Eduardo Camavinga (#2), Ansu Fati (#8), Myron Boadu (#12), Tanguy Kouassi (#16), Karim Adeyemi (#25), Ilaix Moriba (#42), Eduardo Quaresma (#47)
2	Southend United	4	Mohamed Ihattaren (#4), William Saliba (#10), Ryan Gravenberch (#30), Adam Hlozek (#36)
3	Manchester City	3	Rayan Cherki (#1), Rodrygo (#5), Lucien Agoume (#44)
=	Sunderland	3	Reinier (#7), Dario Sarmiento (#34), Benoit Badiashile (#39)
=	Arsenal	3	Adil Aouchiche (#13), Kang-in Lee (#38), Joshua Zirkzee (#45)
=	Fulham	3	Thiago Almada (#15), Joao Pedro (#26), Strahinja Pavlovic (#49)
=	Newcastle United	3	Pedri (#17), Giovanni Reyna (#21), Jeremy Doku (#37)
8	Everton	2	Mason Greenwood (#3), Jude Bellingham (#14)
=	Barnsley	2	Gabriel Martinelli (#6), Takefusa Kubo (#27)
=	Chelsea	2	Bukayo Saka (#9), Billy Gilmour (#11)
=	Hereford	2	Eric Garcia (#18), Matias Palacios (#43)
=	Milton Keynes Dons	2	Naci Unuvar (#20), Kacper Kozlowski (#46)
=	Cardiff City	2	Fabio Silva (#22), Joelson Fernandes (#40)
=	Wolverhampton Wanderers	2	Gabriel Veron (#32), Curtis Jones (#48)
15	Tottenham Hotspur	1	Sebastiano Esposito (#19)
=	West Ham United	1	Talles Magno (#23)
=	Middlesbrough	1	Robert Navarro (#24)
=	Leyton Orient	1	Ronaldo Camara (#28)
=	Bristol City	1	Yari Verschaeren (#29)
=	Liverpool	1	Filip Stevanovic (#31)
=	Aston Villa	1	James Garner (#35)
=	Blackburn Rovers	1	Victor Mollejo (#50)

Managed clubs without a top 50 teenager, in descending order of most valuable club:
Manchester United, Darlington, Bournemouth, Southampton, Ipswich Town, Bury, Queens Park Rangers, Mansfield Town, Kidderminster Harriers, Charlton Athletic, Preston North End, Leeds United

awww and i sold Karim

another transfer mistake to add to the many!

 

[BenitoSTARR]

awww and i sold Karim

another transfer mistake to add to the many!

If you look at the list from 2010 I think you’ll be fine. Most of the players unfortunately drop off massively it’s actually shocking to see how many were considered best of the best who now are playing in China/ Saudi Arabia or other lesser leagues

 

[Damien]

List RS made is more reasonable.

I think the only player I've ever won that you (possibly) also bid on was Dest.

awww and i sold Karim

another transfer mistake to add to the many!

At least you've got three players there.

 

[Varun]

Personally, I feel the early 20s age group is the one where you want to top the list. Barely 20% of these teenage kids will make it.

 

[The Taurean]

I think the only player I've ever won that you (possibly) also bid on was Dest.

At least you've got three players there.

Don't think i bid on Dest.

 

[CrackersJr]

I think the only player I've ever won that you (possibly) also bid on was Dest.

At least you've got three players there.

true but with Haaland gone, Karim is heir apparent to starting at Salzburg now and bound to rise if he does well

 

[Damien]

Don't think i bid on Dest.

Okay, so reduce that down to zero. Wasn't sure whether you had bid on him or just had him shortlisted at the time I bid. Got a vague recollection of there being two or three teams that either shortlisted him or bid on him. Guessing three teams shortlisted and I was the only one who bid, resulting in me actually winning a transfer.

 

[christy87]

Top 50 best teenagers in the world sorted by club (thereby sorting out the argument of who has the best youth once and for all):

Pos.	Club	# of Players	Players
1	Nottingham Forest	7	Eduardo Camavinga (#2), Ansu Fati (#8), Myron Boadu (#12), Tanguy Kouassi (#16), Karim Adeyemi (#25), Ilaix Moriba (#42), Eduardo Quaresma (#47)
2	Southend United	4	Mohamed Ihattaren (#4), William Saliba (#10), Ryan Gravenberch (#30), Adam Hlozek (#36)
3	Manchester City	3	Rayan Cherki (#1), Rodrygo (#5), Lucien Agoume (#44)
=	Sunderland	3	Reinier (#7), Dario Sarmiento (#34), Benoit Badiashile (#39)
=	Arsenal	3	Adil Aouchiche (#13), Kang-in Lee (#38), Joshua Zirkzee (#45)
=	Fulham	3	Thiago Almada (#15), Joao Pedro (#26), Strahinja Pavlovic (#49)
=	Newcastle United	3	Pedri (#17), Giovanni Reyna (#21), Jeremy Doku (#37)
8	Everton	2	Mason Greenwood (#3), Jude Bellingham (#14)
=	Barnsley	2	Gabriel Martinelli (#6), Takefusa Kubo (#27)
=	Chelsea	2	Bukayo Saka (#9), Billy Gilmour (#11)
=	Hereford	2	Eric Garcia (#18), Matias Palacios (#43)
=	Milton Keynes Dons	2	Naci Unuvar (#20), Kacper Kozlowski (#46)
=	Cardiff City	2	Fabio Silva (#22), Joelson Fernandes (#40)
=	Wolverhampton Wanderers	2	Gabriel Veron (#32), Curtis Jones (#48)
15	Tottenham Hotspur	1	Sebastiano Esposito (#19)
=	West Ham United	1	Talles Magno (#23)
=	Middlesbrough	1	Robert Navarro (#24)
=	Leyton Orient	1	Ronaldo Camara (#28)
=	Bristol City	1	Yari Verschaeren (#29)
=	Liverpool	1	Filip Stevanovic (#31)
=	Aston Villa	1	James Garner (#35)
=	Blackburn Rovers	1	Victor Mollejo (#50)

Managed clubs without a top 50 teenager, in descending order of most valuable club:
Manchester United, Darlington, Bournemouth, Southampton, Ipswich Town, Bury, Queens Park Rangers, Mansfield Town, Kidderminster Harriers, Charlton Athletic, Preston North End, Leeds United

Gilmour is at villa

 

[Damien]

Gilmour is at villa

Thanks. Will fix.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Personally, I feel the early 20s age group is the one where you want to top the list. Barely 20% of these teenage kids will make it.

A very rough way I look at it is based on progression at ages. Not just rating wise but how are they physically.

Like is the player using a physical advantage over a technical one for them to be considered promising. A good example was Renato Sanches a good player but one who used his physique from a young age more so than technique yet was tipped to be the next big thing. IMO more importantly is are they mentally mature in terms of decision making which tends to be the bigger signpost of quality at a younger age. Are they making decisions that are appropriate for the situation or position and sometimes this could mean a number 10 who doesn’t complete lots of passes but tries a lot of creative ones and you can see the brain working and that generally separates the potential to be very good to the capped at 90 style players.

I’m a terrible judge of young CBs for this exact reason it’s much harder to see the defensive brain in action which is why when you see someone like Virgil Van Dijk it’s so impressive!

It’s impossible to know a lots about all the leagues so I mainly look at ones like Belgium, France and Netherlands closely as there is so much more data for Spain, England, Italy and Germany it’s easier to be a lazy scout for them.

One thing I’ve noticed since playing SM though is the pathway a lot of players take so an above average player at youth level seems to fit into these pathways with flexibility as to when they start playing regular football.

16/17 78+
18 83+
19 85+
20 87+
21 88+
23 90+

So essentially IMO if you have a player in those ages at those ratings or above they historically are above average for that age group and more often then not end up 90 rated or above at some point in their careers injuries permitting.

The lower down the age group you go the harder this is to predict but I completely agree with you I would much rather be on top in the early 20 -23 age group as these players are already putting in quality performances and are about to enter their more physically capable years. I think after 23 it becomes a lot more obvious if a player is going to be 92+ (which is what I’d consider to be a very good player who is pretty much fulfilling potential)
90/91 Quality first team player (Top 50 players in that position)
92/3 Top quality (Top 20 players in position)
94+ World Class (Top 10 players in position)