Gaming The SM RedCafe League

[christy87]

Top 50 best teenagers in the world sorted by club (thereby sorting out the argument of who has the best youth once and for all):

Pos.	Club	# of Players	Players
1	Nottingham Forest	7	Eduardo Camavinga (#2), Ansu Fati (#8), Myron Boadu (#12), Tanguy Kouassi (#16), Karim Adeyemi (#25), Ilaix Moriba (#42), Eduardo Quaresma (#47)
2	Southend United	4	Mohamed Ihattaren (#4), William Saliba (#10), Ryan Gravenberch (#30), Adam Hlozek (#36)
3	Manchester City	3	Rayan Cherki (#1), Rodrygo (#5), Lucien Agoume (#44)
=	Sunderland	3	Reinier (#7), Dario Sarmiento (#34), Benoit Badiashile (#39)
=	Arsenal	3	Adil Aouchiche (#13), Kang-in Lee (#38), Joshua Zirkzee (#45)
=	Fulham	3	Thiago Almada (#15), Joao Pedro (#26), Strahinja Pavlovic (#49)
=	Newcastle United	3	Pedri (#17), Giovanni Reyna (#21), Jeremy Doku (#37)
8	Everton	2	Mason Greenwood (#3), Jude Bellingham (#14)
=	Barnsley	2	Gabriel Martinelli (#6), Takefusa Kubo (#27)
=	Chelsea	2	Bukayo Saka (#9), Billy Gilmour (#11)
=	Hereford	2	Eric Garcia (#18), Matias Palacios (#43)
=	Milton Keynes Dons	2	Naci Unuvar (#20), Kacper Kozlowski (#46)
=	Cardiff City	2	Fabio Silva (#22), Joelson Fernandes (#40)
=	Wolverhampton Wanderers	2	Gabriel Veron (#32), Curtis Jones (#48)
15	Tottenham Hotspur	1	Sebastiano Esposito (#19)
=	West Ham United	1	Talles Magno (#23)
=	Middlesbrough	1	Robert Navarro (#24)
=	Leyton Orient	1	Ronaldo Camara (#28)
=	Bristol City	1	Yari Verschaeren (#29)
=	Liverpool	1	Filip Stevanovic (#31)
=	Aston Villa	1	James Garner (#35)
=	Blackburn Rovers	1	Victor Mollejo (#50)

Managed clubs without a top 50 teenager, in descending order of most valuable club:
Manchester United, Darlington, Bournemouth, Southampton, Ipswich Town, Bury, Queens Park Rangers, Mansfield Town, Kidderminster Harriers, Charlton Athletic, Preston North End, Leeds United

Gilmour is at villa

 

[Damien]

Gilmour is at villa

Thanks. Will fix.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Personally, I feel the early 20s age group is the one where you want to top the list. Barely 20% of these teenage kids will make it.

A very rough way I look at it is based on progression at ages. Not just rating wise but how are they physically.

Like is the player using a physical advantage over a technical one for them to be considered promising. A good example was Renato Sanches a good player but one who used his physique from a young age more so than technique yet was tipped to be the next big thing. IMO more importantly is are they mentally mature in terms of decision making which tends to be the bigger signpost of quality at a younger age. Are they making decisions that are appropriate for the situation or position and sometimes this could mean a number 10 who doesn’t complete lots of passes but tries a lot of creative ones and you can see the brain working and that generally separates the potential to be very good to the capped at 90 style players.

I’m a terrible judge of young CBs for this exact reason it’s much harder to see the defensive brain in action which is why when you see someone like Virgil Van Dijk it’s so impressive!

It’s impossible to know a lots about all the leagues so I mainly look at ones like Belgium, France and Netherlands closely as there is so much more data for Spain, England, Italy and Germany it’s easier to be a lazy scout for them.

One thing I’ve noticed since playing SM though is the pathway a lot of players take so an above average player at youth level seems to fit into these pathways with flexibility as to when they start playing regular football.

16/17 78+
18 83+
19 85+
20 87+
21 88+
23 90+

So essentially IMO if you have a player in those ages at those ratings or above they historically are above average for that age group and more often then not end up 90 rated or above at some point in their careers injuries permitting.

The lower down the age group you go the harder this is to predict but I completely agree with you I would much rather be on top in the early 20 -23 age group as these players are already putting in quality performances and are about to enter their more physically capable years. I think after 23 it becomes a lot more obvious if a player is going to be 92+ (which is what I’d consider to be a very good player who is pretty much fulfilling potential)
90/91 Quality first team player (Top 50 players in that position)
92/3 Top quality (Top 20 players in position)
94+ World Class (Top 10 players in position)

 

[RedSky]

Personally, I feel the early 20s age group is the one where you want to top the list. Barely 20% of these teenage kids will make it.

Agreed.

 

[Damien]

Personally, I feel the early 20s age group is the one where you want to top the list. Barely 20% of these teenage kids will make it.

I don't think there are any lists for early 20s. Knew you'd win, you usually do.

 

[Damien]

As expected, lost 1:0 at home to Arsenal despite being the dominant side.

Oblak (95)

Christensen (90) Ramos (95) Kimmich (94) Gaya (91)↓
Pogba (93)↓ Eriksen (94)
Mbappe (94) -- Kovacic (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90)↑, Boateng (91), Zakaria (90), Goretzka (91), Kroos (95)↑, Pulisic (90), Sancho (91)↑
Injured: Alaba (93)
Did not travel: Brandt (91), Dias (90)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
CCGBG4: Paris Saint-Germain (A)
LSR1: Wycombe Wanderers (A)
MD08: Liverpool (A)

Manchester United v Arsenal fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Arsenal Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Arsenal Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Arsenal Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Arsenal SoT Conv.
10th May: Utd v Arsenal​	57%​	43%​	14 (5)​	12 (3)​	0​	1​	0%​	33.3%​
Combined​	57%​	43%​	14 (5)​	12 (3)​	0​	1​	0%​	33.3%​

 

[LungiDevil]

Leeds United ride their new manager bounce to comeback from 0:1 down to win 4:2

 

[Damien]

Leeds United ride their new manager bounce to comeback from 0:1 down to win 4:2

Good start.

 

[Damien]

4:0 victory against PSG. After four games in Group B, United are top on 12 points, with 15 goals scored and 0 conceded.

Oblak (95)

Christensen (90) Dias (90) Zakaria (90) Alaba (93)↓
Brandt (91)↓ Kimmich (94)
Mbappe (94) -- Pulisic (90)↓ -- Sterling (94)
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90)↑, Boateng (91), Pogba (93), Goretzka (91), Kroos (95)↑, Kovacic (91), Sancho (91)↑
Did not travel: Ramos (95), Eriksen (94), Gaya (91

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LSR1: Wycombe Wanderers (A)
MD08: Liverpool (A)
MD09: Southampton (H)

Manchester United v PSG fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	PSG Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	PSG Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	PSG Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	PSG SoT Conv.
20th Apr: Utd v PSG​	74%​	26%​	24 (12)​	5 (1)​	5​	0​	41.7%​	0%​
11th May: PSG v Utd​	69%​	31%​	25 (15)​	4 (0)​	4​	0​	26.7%​	0%​
Combined​	71.5%​	28.5%​	49 (27)​	9 (1)​	9​	0​	33.3%​	0%​

 

[CrackersJr]

Beat QPR again, won 3, drew 1, qualified from my group and only scored 3 goals so far... at least we are consistent with our lack of goals!!! Have only had one game (all cups and league) where we havnt scored a goal and that was the draw vs getafe...

 

[Damien]

My reserves with a 5:0 victory against Wycombe Wanderers. There's definitely some coding to prevent a victory greater than 5:0, or making it very unlikely. Sancho out injured for a week, dealing another blow to my top four chances. Of course I face City in the next round of the Shield - my hopes of progressing in that are over.

Oblak (95)

Boateng (91) Dias (90) Zakaria (90) Elvedi (90)
Pogba (93)↓ Goretzka (91)
Brandt (91) -- Kovacic (91) -- Pulisic (90)
Sancho (91)​

Subs: Alaba (93), Eriksen (94), Mbappe (94), Kimmich (94), Kroos (95)↑, Sterling (94), Griezmann (95)
Suspended: Christensen (90)
Did not travel: Ramos (95), Gaya (91)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD08: Liverpool (A)
MD09: Southampton (H)
CCGBG5: Roma (H)

Manchester United v Wycombe fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Wycombe Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Wycombe Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Wycombe Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Wycombe SoT Conv.
12th May: Wycombe v Utd​	73%​	27%​	25 (12)​	7 (1)​	5​	0​	41.7%​	0%​
Combined​	73%​	27%​	25 (12)​	7 (1)​	5​	0​	41.7%​	0%​

 

[Damien]

My plucky underdogs beat Liverpool 2:0 at Anfield, but did pick up the fourth injury of the season to Gaya.

Oblak (95)

Christensen (90)↓ Ramos (95) Kimmich (94) Alaba (93)
Pogba (93) Kroos (95)
Mbappe (94) -- Eriksen (94) -- Sterling (94)
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90), Kovacic (91), Brandt (91), Zakaria (90), Goretzka (91), Pulisic (90), Gaya (91)↑
Injured: Sancho (91)
Did not travel: Boateng (91), Dias (90)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD09: Southampton (H)
CCGBG5: Roma (H)
LCR2: Cheltenham Town (A)

Manchester United v Liverpool fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Liverpool Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Liverpool Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Liverpool Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Liverpool SoT Conv.
14th May: Liverpool v Utd​	53%​	47%​	9 (6)​	9 (2)​	2​	0​	33.3%​	0%​
Combined​	53%​	47%​	9 (6)​	9 (2)​	2​	0​	33.3%​	0%​

 

[Damien]

 

[Damien]

Derby deals still to be done and deadlines:

May 17th 20:51 - Charlton Athletic (@Panther) - Dean Henderson (£7.8M)
May 17th 22:21 - Mansfield Town (@RedRazor) - Kyle Walker-Peters (£2.08M)

 

[Damien]

2:1 victory against Southampton.

Oblak (95)

Boateng (91) Ramos (95) Zakaria (90) Alaba (93)
Goretzka (91)↓ Pogba (93)
Brandt (91)↓ -- Pulisic (90)↓ -- Mbappe (94)
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90), Dias (90), Christensen (90), Kovacic (91)↑, Eriksen (94), Kroos (95)↑, Sterling (94)↑
Injured: Sancho (91), Gaya (91)
Did not travel: Kimmich (94)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
CCGBG5: Roma (H)
LCR2: Cheltenham Town (A)
MD10: Manchester City (A)

Manchester United v Southampton fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Southampton Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Southampton Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Southampton Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Southampton SoT Conv.
17th May: Utd v Southampton​	60%​	40%​	13 (4)​	9 (3)​	2​	1​	50%​	33.3%​
Combined​	60%​	40%​	13 (4)​	9 (3)​	2​	1​	50%​	33.3%​

 

[spontaneus1]

I see they are doing the France rating updates, must be the least exciting rating change period in a long time as I can't see too many players getting changes since Januaray.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

I see they are doing the France rating updates, must be the least exciting rating change period in a long time as I can't see too many players getting changes since Januaray.

I actually think quite a few changes will happen based on how they were performing before lockdown. Lots of young talents got tiny increases before and could do with an extra bump.

Even in the PL there are some woefully underrated players I expect to gain.

 

[The Stain]

They are going to review France twice without reviewing Austria once. Seems legit.

 

[Damien]

They are going to review France twice without reviewing Austria once. Seems legit.

Doesn't seem to be a full review. Didn't review any today and half the teams have been missed out. Plus, they've ignored all my players as standard.

 

[The Stain]

Doesn't seem to be a full review. Didn't review any today and half the teams have been missed out. Plus, they've ignored all my players as standard.

It's good that they're giving some players rises because they deserve it but they're clearly reviewing France, missing Austria completely. Like.. SM logic.

 

[The Taurean]

They are going to review France twice without reviewing Austria once. Seems legit.

Doesn't austria happen once a year?

It looks like leagues which are officially closed will be reviewed first. Austria will restart.

 

[Damien]

It's good that they're giving some players rises because they deserve it but they're clearly reviewing France, missing Austria completely. Like.. SM logic.

What TT said - they've likely prioritised France as that league is over.

 

[infamous7]

Ben yedder to 93
Book it lads

 

[The Stain]

Doesn't austria happen once a year?

It looks like leagues which are officially closed will be reviewed first. Austria will restart.

I suppose, it has been a year and 2 days since Daka was reviewed.. They took 15-16 months for the last Scotland review. I guess i don't mind, not like i'm selling Daka or Mwepu anyway.

 

[Damien]

4:0 victory against Roma. After five games in Group B, I've scored 19 goals and conceded 0. Everton and Forest favourites to win the Champions Cup.

Oblak (95)

Boateng (91)↓ Ramos (95) Alaba (93) Gaya (91)
Zakaria (90)↓ Kroos (95)
Mbappe (94) -- Brandt (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90)↑, Dias (90), Christensen (90), Pulisic (90), Eriksen (94)↑, Pogba (93)↑, Goretzka (91)
Suspended: Kimmich (94)
Injured: Sancho (91)
Did not travel: Kovacic (91)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LCR2: Cheltenham Town (A)
MD10: Manchester City (A)
MD11: Ipswich Town (H)

Manchester United v Roma fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Roma Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Roma Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Roma Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Roma SoT Conv.
18th May: Utd v Roma​	64%​	36%​	24 (12)​	2 (0)​	4​	0​	33.3%​	0%​
Combined​	64%​	36%​	24 (12)​	2 (0)​	4​	0​	33.3%​	0%​

 

[Ravelation]

Ben yedder to 93
Book it lads

You off your meds again?

 

[The Stain]

You off your meds again?

Factual.

 

[infamous7]

 

[Damien]

5:0 victory away to Cheltenham Town. I'm never going to score six in a game. Surprisingly I face another unmanaged side next round.

Oblak (95)

Elvedi (90) Dias (90) Christensen (90) Gaya (91)
Kimmich (94)↓ Kroos (95)↓
Goretzka (91) -- Kovacic (91)↓ -- Brandt (91)
Pulisic (90)​

Subs: Boateng (91)↑, Ramos (95), Alaba (93), Pogba (93), Eriksen (94)↑, Sterling (94)↑, Mbappe (94)
Injured: Sancho (91)
Did not travel: Griezmann (95), Zakaria (90)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD10: Manchester City (A)
MD11: Ipswich Town (H)
CCGBG6: Villarreal (H)

Manchester United v Cheltenham fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Cheltenham Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Cheltenham Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Cheltenham Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Cheltenham SoT Conv.
19th May: Cheltenham v Utd​	73%​	27%​	29 (11)​	5 (0)​	5​	0​	45.5%​	0%​
Combined​	73%​	27%​	29 (11)​	5 (0)​	5​	0​	45.5%​	0%​

 

[Ravelation]

havent' seen this in ages , gold.

 

[CrackersJr]

Forgot to rotate for the cup game, so naturally only narrowly win despite dominating for the second time in a row, and naturally for second time in a row the keeper got a MOTM....

 

[Damien]

Kimmich sent off 44 minutes in, so naturally I beat City 1:0. Next three domestic games are going to be tough without him. I expect I'll be knocked out of the Shield, and Forest will be top by the end of the third one - which coincidentally is away to Forest.

Oblak (95)

Boateng (91) Ramos (95) Zakaria (90)↓ Alaba (93)
Kimmich (94) Kroos (95)↓
Mbappe (94) -- Sancho (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90), Dias (90), Gaya (91), Pogba (93)↑, Kovacic (91)↑, Brandt (91), Eriksen (94)↑
Did not travel: Goretzka (91), Christensen (90), Pulisic (90)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
MD11: Ipswich Town (H)
CCGBG6: Villarreal (H)
LSR2: Manchester City (H)

Manchester United v Manchester City fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Man City Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Man City Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Man City Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Man City SoT Conv.
21st May: City v Utd​	57%​	43%​	13 (5)​	9 (1)​	1​	0​	20%​	0%​
Combined​	57%​	43%​	13 (5)​	9 (1)​	1​	0​	20%​	0%​

 

[zlatan_ish]

@Damien Damo, any team open?

 

[Damien]

@Damien Damo, any team open?

Yeah. Derby County is probably the best available, though I use that lightly as most unmanaged teams have been picked apart. Would be great to have you back but the player fitness is screwed so will take a few weeks to sort out.

 

[zlatan_ish]

Fair . I won't join if you don't recommend.

 

[The Stain]

Fair . I won't join if you don't recommend.

Take a team with some money and build from the ground up. We need new blood.

 

[Damien]

Fair . I won't join if you don't recommend.

Will let you know if another club becomes free at any point.

 

[Damien]

2:0 win against Ipswich Town. With the injuries and suspensions I've had, it is a miracle I'm top - never mind five points clear. Alas, whenever I get a lead, I face Nottingham Forest and always, without fail, lose to them in those circumstances.

Oblak (95)

Boateng (91)↓ Ramos (95) Zakaria (90) Alaba (93)
Eriksen (94) Kroos (95)
Sancho (91) -- Pulisic (90)↓ -- Mbappe (94)↓
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Elvedi (90)↑, Dias (90), Gaya (91), Kovacic (91), Pogba (93)↑, Goretzka (91), Brandt (91)↑
Suspended: Kimmich (94)
Did not travel: Sterling (94), Christensen (90)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
CCGBG6: Villarreal (H)
LSR2: Manchester City (H)
MD12: Nottingham Forest (A)

Manchester United v Ipswich Town fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Ipswich Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Ipswich Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Ipswich Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Ipswich SoT Conv.
24th May: Utd v Ipswich​	61%​	39%​	16 (9)​	5 (0)​	2​	0​	22.2%​	0%​
Combined​	61%​	39%​	16 (9)​	5 (0)​	2​	0​	22.2%​	0%​

 

[zlatan_ish]

Will let you know if another club becomes free at any point.

Sounds good.

 

[Damien]

3:0 victory against Villarreal. Final Group B record: Played 6, Won 6, Scored 22, Conceded 0.

Oblak (95)

Elvedi (90)↓ Ramos (95) Alaba (93) Gaya (91)
Kimmich (94) Kroos (95)
Mbappe (94) -- Sancho (91)↓ -- Sterling (94)↓
Griezmann (95)​

Subs: Christensen (90)↑, Dias (90), Zakaria (90), Kovacic (91), Pogba (93)↑, Goretzka (91), Eriksen (94)↑
Did not travel: Boateng (91), Brandt (91), Pulisic (90)

Key:
= Goal
= Assist
= MOTM
↓ = Subbed off
↑ = Subbed on

Next three games:
LSR2: Manchester City (H)
MD12: Nottingham Forest (A)
MD13: Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)

Manchester United v Villarreal fixtures this season

Game	Utd Poss	Villarreal Poss	Utd Shots (SoT)	Villarreal Shots (SoT)	Utd Goals	Villarreal Goals	Utd SoT Conv.	Villarreal SoT Conv.
4th May: Villarreal v Utd​	64%​	36%​	18 (7)​	5 (1)​	3​	0​	42.9%​	0%​
25th May: Utd v Villarreal​	63%​	37%​	21 (9)​	7 (2)​	3​	0​	33.3%​	0%​
Combined​	63.5%​	36.5%​	39 (16)​	12 (3)​	6​	0​	37.5%​	0%​