It's called the CHAMPIONS league. By its very definition it's ours by birthright
The relative strength of the Premier League
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I haven’t mentioned Europe at all. I’m not that fussed about the CL just the league as a whole, but it is always good to have made predictions that end up being right.
Well you didn't make a prediction. You were quite sure La Liga was a terrible, shit, awful league full of dross while Premier League was amazing when it wasn't true.
after 50,000+ posts you sort of stop caring.
The prem has clearly improved with the big time managers coming in and financial output. Pep and Klopp will be competing for the title while Spurs seem to have an outside chance as they've recently hit top form. Us and Chelsea are making up the numbers though, although we'll most likely beat Sevilla.
As has probably been said a million times before it's too early to judge, only Tottenham have played European giants so far. Obvious improvement in that we even get to see our teams make it far enough to play European giants, but we're far from back at our 07/08 levels.
Yeah but you've only won La Liga once in what will be 6 years when this season endsIt's called the CHAMPIONS league. By its very definition it's ours by birthright
Sevilla couldn't score against a defense with Smalling and Lindelof. It's settled.
tbf they had DDG behind them
Touché
First prediction true, let's hope that I am wrong for the second.
Spurs wankfest has reached ridiculous levels during the last few weeks in particular, so time for them to get back to Earth. UCL is mostly a competition of big traditional teams, not exactly something for teams like Spurs.
Agreed. Definitely think their inexperience cost them. Switched off at the crucial moments.
The "wankfest" generated off their recent great form in the league? I know, what was all the attention about?
Sucker-punches happen in this competition, they'll learn from this. Fitting it came at the hands of a side that have been the best in Europe, bar Barcelona and Real Madrid, over the past 3 seasons.
On a more important note, does the narrative of this thread change if only 3 sides (fingers crossed) make the QF, as opposed to 5?
Why should it
I would think that the fewer sides make it to the QFs, the more dented the narrative of "best league in the world" would be.
And for them getting a 2-2 in Torino, with people acting like they have already reached the quarters. I have said it many times, but I have to repeat myself again. Spurs with this manager have won as many trophies as I have. Until they start winning something, the wankfest over them is totally stupid. In a failed season like last one, we won more trophies than they did in the last decade. And quite likely, same thing will happen this season too.
It is still an improvement over the shit performances of last few years, but it isn't an EPL dominance as people were claiming. It can happen in the next few years, but still EPL isn't there.
People really said the the EPL would dominate? It will probably have the most representatives, or the joint most in the quarters. Teams like Bayern, Madrid and Barca aren't going to go away.
Yeah, but Spurs defeated Madrid and draw Juve, City have Saint Pep and Liverpool play sexy football, so we were going to get 3 English teams in the final.
Let the winter break excuses commence...
Spurs have done the Premier League proud, Spurs was better than Juventus for 165 mins of 180mins in both games, they looked a league above Juventus at times, Juventus did a smash and grab, sort of reminded me of a Championship side knocking out a Premier League team in the FA Cup.
This defeat will do Spurs the world of good, won't happen again next season.
As for Juventus, all i've seen in these 2 games is if they come up against City or Liverpool they'll get pummeled.
This has nothing to do with the strengh of the PL , this is all on Pochetino that doesnt know how to close the shop. Mou would have been cruising the match with that goal up.
The hoopla (pardon my French) was over them overcoming a 2-0 deficit in Turin against a world class team. Many people picked Juventus to advance.
You have been wrong many times then. There is nothing wrong with giving proportionate credit to Spurs for what they've done to date. A trophy would be the cherry on top, not the point at which they get fair dues ffs.
So did the defeats of the last few years. Them finishing third in a two horse race, and so on...
Spurs cannot lose here. If they lose, they win. If they don't win trophies, they win.
Would have Juve as favorites against Liverpool and probably a 50-50 against City. This is UCL, people forget this quite often here.
Mourinho has literally lost games in the CL in recent seasons (post 2010) because, wait for it, he shut up shop. Against Bayern, PSG, Atletico...
I know it looks cool when typed, but can we stop with this myth that parking the bus is the magic formula in football?
A team who gets as much applause as them, should eventually win something. They aren't.
Leicester with Ranieri have won a more important trophy than Spurs have done in the last half a century. It isn't only that Spurs with Pochetino have won feck all so far, they haven't even get close to actually win something, yet people big them like they were fecking Real.
Lads, they are the cute harmless Spurs.
I think the English league will prove to have the most strength in depth over the next few seasons though. I think it has proven that this year with 5 in the second round and 2-4 in the quarters. The English side will spend big this summer and I think only Real and PSG will be able to flex financial muscles as big.
Will Liverpool be picked off in the same way, blow themselves out then look a little one dimensional?
Favioutes against Liverpool? 50/50 vs City? How do you come to that conclusion?
Liverpool would just smash through them, City even more so.
Mourinho has 2 UCL, 2 Europa/UEFA cups, 9 league titles and many other trophies.
Pochetino has as many trophies as you.
Does this look a bit cooler when typed?
PS: Before you mention money, Mourinho actually won an UCL with a team which relatively speaking was around as rich as Spurs is. Pochetino gets bigged for almost reaching quarters.
I'd say City and Liverpool have got more dues from the media. But measuring "dues" is a nebulous task.
No one (except GlastonSpur) has done this.
You could have just said this alone instead of trying to justify the rest of your post.
I think it is likely that teams will improve, but Barca, Real, Bayern and Juve aren't going anywhere. Paris is pretty much an another City.
By the same conclusion that I had them as favorites against Spurs, despite that people were predicting Spurs to win.Favioutes against Liverpool? 50/50 vs City? How do you come to that conclusion?
Liverpool would just smash through them, City even more so.
Last time Liverpool were relevant in Europe was in 2007, last time City were was never. This is UCL, as Paris can tell you. Sexy football in your own leagues means feck all when you play against a European powerhouse.
That literally has nothing to do with what my post said.
I think Pochettino has won stuff as a player. I won't profess to be his equal in anything football related.
And no. I'm sure it sounded cool in your head.
Seeing that you love City ,dont you think what they do with the possession football where they make 50 passes before trying to actually attack , is kinda quite the same as parking the bus ?
Both are really boring but both give you goals without putting much in risk. But hey if you prefer Poch and Klopp crazy attack and no trophies, I respect that.
Edit : @Revan is correct about the trophies , I was thinking about CL for both , have no more post for the correction.
Spurs should have won though and if the tie started again, Spurs would be favioutes again.
Spurs clearly are a better team than Juventus, that was evident in both games at Wembley and Turin despite Juventus going through.
Shouldn't be put in the same sentence. Klopp has actually won multiple trophies and has reached European final. Poch, has won feck all and isn't going to win something soon.
Spurs threw that away, they were the better side for around 160 of the 180 minutes.
That gets never typed for actually a big team. An almost-team is what they are.
Another trophy to 'sexier than United', 'higher in the table than Arsenal', and 'beat Real in group stages'.
Let the big boys get the real trophies.
I don't love City.
There is no concrete evidence that parking the bus is a tactic that increases your chances of winning the CL. I've seen many teams burnt by it, enough that I don't understand how the notion that all Spurs needed to do was "park the bus" is credible.
@Revan
There was a post in the match thread about how sad it was that he enjoyed watching Spurs play football over Utd.
I bet Spurs losing has left his mind 20 minutes after the final whistle. Oh Milan v Arsenal should be a good game..
Its ok eulogising over Poch when you don't have an emotional investment but their away record v top sides and situations like tonight or v Chelsea in the FA cup would drive us up the wall if it were Utd.
Who would join us to win things? Poch isn't being backed in the market etc etc.
The double standards are staggering. But hey, its all about a high press and net spend
There was a post in the match thread about how sad it was that he enjoyed watching Spurs play football over Utd.
I bet Spurs losing has left his mind 20 minutes after the final whistle. Oh Milan v Arsenal should be a good game..
Its ok eulogising over Poch when you don't have an emotional investment but their away record v top sides and situations like tonight or v Chelsea in the FA cup would drive us up the wall if it were Utd.
Who would join us to win things? Poch isn't being backed in the market etc etc.
The double standards are staggering. But hey, its all about a high press and net spend