The relative strength of the Premier League

AXVnee7 said:
Was disappointed by Celta Vigo, if they beat Barca and Madrid then they must be just as terrible at finishing as we are :lol:

Like we didn't tonight, they don't know what they're in for at OT. They were timid and intimidated by us tonight. An early goal at OT could cripple them.
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Barca style suits them. Barca plays from the back and also plays high line. Celta presses high so they can counter when they get the ball. We play completely opposite kind of game. Our defensive line was deeper and we don't play from the back, so the balls they win is in their third or in midfield but we always had numbers in defense. So we set up in a good way to nullify them and also to create enough chances.



Almost for all goals the ball was won in Barca's defense.
 
roonster09 said:
Barca style suits them. Barca plays from the back and also plays high line. Celta presses high so they can counter when they get the ball. We play completely opposite kind of game. Our defensive line was deeper and we don't play from the back, so the balls they win is in their third or in midfield but we always had numbers in defense. So we set up in a good way to nullify them and also to create enough chances.



Almost for all goals the ball was won in Barca's defense.
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But we do play out from back as well quiet a lot with blind on the ball.
 
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I don't think the most expensive squad ever assembled beating a pretty poor Spanish side proves anything about the "strength of the premier league". It is still behind Spain and will be for at least the next few years.
 
Hawks2008 said:
I don't think the most expensive squad ever assembled beating a pretty poor Spanish side proves anything about the "strength of the premier league". It is still behind Spain and will be for at least the next few years.
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What? Like the Spanish top teams are not most expensive squad ever as well.
 
prtk0811 said:
What? Like the Spanish top teams are not most expensive squad ever as well.
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Sure, but they have something to show for it. Just look at teams that have made European Finals in the last 5 years from each country.
 
Wumminator said:
Up front they had Iago Aspas, John Guidetti and their sub was a lad on loan from Fulham.

@Sarni cheers for engaging me in this thread. It always makes me smile.
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You are so sweet in your judging of players you have zero clue about.

Nothing will ever beat "I don't know that player so he must be shit" from Wumminator as if somehow lack of football knowledge makes you a genius. :D
 
roonster09 said:
Barca style suits them. Barca plays from the back and also plays high line. Celta presses high so they can counter when they get the ball. We play completely opposite kind of game. Our defensive line was deeper and we don't play from the back, so the balls they win is in their third or in midfield but we always had numbers in defense. So we set up in a good way to nullify them and also to create enough chances.

Almost for all goals the ball was won in Barca's defense.
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Was tongue in cheek about Barca and Madrid, but otherwise you're right. I think one thing their players just couldn't cope with is Pogba. He was shrugging their players off for fun and completely bossed that midfield. We did a get a little bit of luck as they weren't as clinical as they couldn't been, but then again neither were we. We'll see what mood they're in when they come to OT, but my point was that all the advantage is with us now.
 
Wumminator said:
Just to point out that despite taking incredible flack for the opinion that l
la Liga has easier teams, the Celta Vigo equivalent in the premier league is Leicester City.
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On what basis are you arguing that those two teams are equivalent? You can't just throw out a statement like that as fact without a basis for it.
 
AXVnee7 said:
Was tongue in cheek about Barca and Madrid, but otherwise you're right. I think one thing their players just couldn't cope with is Pogba. He was shrugging their players off for fun and completely bossed that midfield. We did a get a little bit of luck as they weren't as clinical as they couldn't been, but then again neither were we. We'll see what mood they're in when they come to OT, but my point was that all the advantage is with us now.
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Yeah, they couldn't handle Pogba's skill and physicality, He was holding their players with ease and completely bossed them.

prtk0811 said:
But we do play out from back as well quiet a lot with blind on the ball.
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Keeper giving the ball to Blind and then Blind looking for long pass is not playing from the back. We don't build our player from defense, especially against high pressing teams.
 
notcool said:
Romero kicked it long quite a few times yesternight.
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Which nullfied their high press and tired them, playing out from the back is not considered to be a "higher level", you need to be clever about when to and when not to.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah, they couldn't handle Pogba's skill and physicality, He was holding their players with ease and completely bossed them.



Keeper giving the ball to Blind and then Blind looking for long pass is not playing from the back. We don't build our player from defense, especially against high pressing teams.
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:D, You need to know when to punt it long and when to play from the back, and we know it better. There is no sense of playing out from the back , and getting caught out like barca or city. We do lay out from the back when the opposition are lazy to press.
 
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adexkola said:
... who crashed out against Atletico in the quarter finals, doing the square root of feck all in that tie.
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At home, Leicester had a period of about 30 mins where they peppered Atletico's goal with shots/crosses. I'd agree they weren't great, but that's perhaps the third best team in Spain against Leicester, so I'm not sure I agree with your point. Not that I agree with Wum to be fair.
 
prtk0811 said:
:D, You need to know when to punt it long and when to play from the back, and we know it better. There is no sense of playing out from the back , and getting caught out like barca or city. We do lay out from the back when the opposition are lazy to press.
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I agree and that's what I said. Against team that press high we don't play from the back. We tried to do it against City at Old Trafford, Jose mentioned in press saying he asked not to do that.
 
Strange time to bump the thread. Utd should be beating celta Vigo. I'd fancy celta Vigo against all pl sides outside of the top 6 and even against the top 6, none of us are hammering them.

But here I was thinking the gap between the pl and la liga has widened in recent seasons. I see no evidence to suggest I am wrong about that
 
Randall Flagg said:
Strange time to bump the thread. Utd should be beating celta Vigo. I'd fancy celta Vigo against all pl sides outside of the top 6 and even against the top 6, none of us are hammering them.

But here I was thinking the gap between the pl and la liga has widened in recent seasons. I see no evidence to suggest I am wrong about that
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Its closing when managers like lvg pep conte klopp set the foundations in a new way.
 
Randall Flagg said:
I'd fancy celta Vigo against all pl sides outside of the top 6 and even against the top 6, none of us are hammering them.
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I'd fancy all PL teams but 3 or 4 over Celta. Here you have it. And this was not the first Celta game i have seen this season....
 
prtk0811 said:
Which nullfied their high press and tired them, playing out from the back is not considered to be a "higher level", you need to be clever about when to and when not to.
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Yeah. Like Mourinho said against City, avoid the first station passes.
 
notcool said:
Yeah. Like Mourinho said against City, avoid the first station passes.
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Like city and barcelona did against monaco and juventus getting themselves exposed at the back for playing out from the back and controlling posession being out of positions defensively and failing to press for 90 mins with same intensity
 
Cina said:
@Twigginater Barca played 60 games last season, Real 59, Atletico 56.

Chelsea were the closest PL team with 54.

At some point, having been so wrong on so many things throughout the years, you really just have to take a step back and think to yourself "am I clueless?" *

* the answer is yes.
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:lol:

sorry, I know this post was a while back but just had the misfortune of stumbling on this thread because it was at the top of the list.

I think the thread starter and OP are indicative of the myopic and knee-jerk myth confirmation bias. He was also an LVG loving Zlatan bashing Jose-hating lunatic (still is). I learnt it's best to leave him be if you want or value your sanity.

Wrong about almost everything and what he is right about can be put down to the law of averages and a broken clock being right twice a day.
 
Hawks2008 said:
I don't think the most expensive squad ever assembled beating a pretty poor Spanish side proves anything about the "strength of the premier league". It is still behind Spain and will be for at least the next few years.
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prtk0811 said:
What? Like the Spanish top teams are not most expensive squad ever as well.
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I have to agree. Not only are/were the Spanish top teams the most expensive but for the longest time as well with first dibs on the creme of the crop. The trend may change now that more English teams can buy "bigger" players than they used to be able to.

Just because of an anomaly this season with a single player costing £80M euros or whatever the fee was skewing the figures in addition to the rest of the buys.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
:lol:

sorry, I know this post was a while back but just had the misfortune of stumbling on this thread because it was at the top of the list.

I think the thread starter and OP are indicative of the myopic and knee-jerk myth confirmation bias. He was also an LVG loving Zlatan bashing Jose-hating lunatic (still is). I learnt it's best to leave him be if you want or value your sanity.

Wrong about almost everything and what he is right about can be put down to the law of averages and a broken clock being right twice a day.
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That's a pretty good description of Wumminator. You just forgot the Top red part. But i find him pretty funny because although, like you said, he's wrong about pretty much everything, i like his creativity with new threads that inevitably end up with him get embarassed as usual. The relative strenght of a Wumminator thread.
 
Didn't good old Wummi pretty much confirm at one point that he's just keeping this thread running for personal entertainment?
 
I'm suprised this is even discussed.

Barca and Real are miles better than our best teams currently.

The rest of the league - the PL is much stronger. They have budgets ranging from 2x-10x more than there Spanish counterparts.

Everything about the PL as a spectacle is just miles better than La Liga.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I'm suprised this is even discussed.

Barca and Real are miles better than our best teams currently.

The rest of the league - the PL is much stronger. They have budgets ranging from 2x-10x more than there Spanish counterparts.

Everything about the PL as a spectacle is just miles better than La Liga.
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This summaries my thoughts exactly.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I'm suprised this is even discussed.

Barca and Real are miles better than our best teams currently.

The rest of the league - the PL is much stronger. They have budgets ranging from 2x-10x more than there Spanish counterparts.

Everything about the PL as a spectacle is just miles better than La Liga.
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Atletico?
 
Sly said:
That's a pretty good description of Wumminator. You just forgot the Top red part. But i find him pretty funny because although, like you said, he's wrong about pretty much everything, i like his creativity with new threads that inevitably end up with him get embarassed as usual. The relative strenght of a Wumminator thread.
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He's harmless though.
 
Sly said:
That's a pretty good description of Wumminator. You just forgot the Top red part. But i find him pretty funny because although, like you said, he's wrong about pretty much everything, i like his creativity with new threads that inevitably end up with him get embarassed as usual. The relative strenght of a Wumminator thread.
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Dont! I'm tempted to start that thread "the relative weakness of wumminators threads"
 
EyeInTheSky said:
:lol:

sorry, I know this post was a while back but just had the misfortune of stumbling on this thread because it was at the top of the list.

I think the thread starter and OP are indicative of the myopic and knee-jerk myth confirmation bias. He was also an LVG loving Zlatan bashing Jose-hating lunatic (still is). I learnt it's best to leave him be if you want or value your sanity.

Wrong about almost everything and what he is right about can be put down to the law of averages and a broken clock being right twice a day.
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Yeah I remember saying that Zlatan would be a silly signing as he is old and injury pro...

But I was also wrong about getting Mourinho as I thought he was done and would just fall out with numerous pla....

No but there was the time I was laughed at for saying Leicester would win their champions league gro....

There was the thread where everyone called me a WUM because I said Jack Wilshere was overrat....

Hmmm, you're right there's loads of things I've been horrendously wrong about.
 
Last night's game doesn't tell us much about relative strengths but the EPL's big advantage is that there are at least 5 clubs who can plausibly win it next year. For La Liga, now Atletico's insurrection seems to be over, I feel confident in predicting Barcelona and RM will between them win the next 10 titles.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I'm suprised this is even discussed.

Barca and Real are miles better than our best teams currently.

The rest of the league - the PL is much stronger. They have budgets ranging from 2x-10x more than there Spanish counterparts.

Everything about the PL as a spectacle is just miles better than La Liga.
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That's not necessarily true which is why the argument is valid. European records and performances over the past few years do not necessary lead to that conclusion. Of course you can argue about the level of commitment of English teams in those scenarios and you would be onto something. But the point is it's not as obvious as you make it sound.
 
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