Do Atletico or Sevilla really have less of a chance to win La Liga than Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool or even United, judging on squads and the results of previous years?
The relative strength of the Premier League
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Do Atletico or Sevilla really have less of a chance to win La Liga than Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool or even United, judging on squads and the results of previous years?
erm NO.
He has had 10 Injuries in his 20+ year pro career since 2008 with over 600 appearances. So you think that just because he went up for a header and landed awkwardly in an aerial challenge that he is "Injury prone". His record is outstanding all things considered with appearances and age. You could not be more wrong
Fallen out with players? You mean kicked a few taking the piss up the ass who have improved as a result of it? This is not a negative and your not exactly a prescient for saying that he may fall out with a player because I have news for you EVERY manager has and will fall out with players during their career not only in football but in every walk of life. Genius...
Like I said before, say enough silly things and eventualy one of them may come to pass and you can do the old "I told you so" ignoring the 90% of the time where you were wrong.
That settles it then! An objective post about a player who lots of people thought was good but overrated or somehow in between somehow proves you were right about something??
If you were the only one or one of a few who thought that you may have had a point but you were not so no prophecy to see here mate.
This last sentance @Cina The Irony within Irony
Did you all see where Pep said finishing in the top four here is like winning a trophy because the league is so competitive?
Like music to my ears.
Like music to my ears.
competitiveness ≠ quality
Ibrahimovic injury prone? His injury record throughout his career has been fantastic
Or are you saying he got the ACL injury becuse he's old? That doesn't make sense either considering its a freak injury that could happen to anyone. Rojo is 26 and had it in the same game. Zouma 22 and got one last season
He also said it was ridiculous that teams such as Liverpool and Chelsea weren't in Europe, suggesting they are easily as good as other leagues' teams.
or that they play hoofball
No, he just was saying that the football played is different than in Continental Europe, not worse or better, just............ different
It just tells you that it is easy to run through the midfield as players get behind as fast as possible after a ball loss whereever in e.g. Germany a lot of the teams try to win the ball back immediately.
If La Liga and EPL were made into one, maybe one EPL team would make top 5 if any.
If Celta Viga can get top 6 then la liga must be shocking quality from the top 5 downwards
It's a double edged-sword. Not having an outstanding team in the league is both a positive and a negative.
The Premier League was supposed to be a two horse race this season between United and City but has been anything but so, yeah going into next season it's hard to predict.
However, in the past three seasons the title has been won with ease and no genuine challenge (I'm assuming that Chelsea won't throw it away now). In comparison, Madrid and Barça have been neck and neck over the same period. For me, the Spanish title races have been far more entertaining than the novelty of a Leicester winning a title. One of these great sides is going to win it after a very close battle is a bigger selling point to me than anyone can win it.
Only Pogba cost more than the entire Celta squad, but if you want to compare Chelsea with Real, Spurs with Barcelona or Liverpool with Atletico ...
They're eleventh, 18 points off the top six. So essentially their English counterpart would be Bournemouth.
Funny, he wasn't saying things like this earlier in the season. To my ears, it sounds like Pep is spouting self-serving excuses as to why his team has been underperforming.
It's almost as if he has some kind of ulterior motive to paint finishing in the top four as a success.
I know they are 11th, I said can get 6th where they finished like last year? Point is la liga isn't strong past the top 4 really in my opinion
Sixth in the Premier League last season was Southampton, who were knocked out at the group stage of the same tournament United just played Celta in the semi-final of. Seventh place and one point behind them was West Ham, who didn't even get through the qualifying rounds. Can you imagine how La Liga fans would have judged the quality of the Premier League if their United equivalent (let's say Sevilla) had played West Ham?
West Ham also finished in a Europa League spot last season, and they couldn't even make it past the qualifying rounds
Southampton got knocked out in the group stage, and Tottenham lost to Gent At least Celta made the semifinal.Also, Celta lost their two best players compared to last season. Nolito and Augusto Fernandez, so obviously they weren't going to be as strong.
There is absolutely no evidence to prove that the midtable English teams are any better than midtable Spanish teams. OTOH, there is an abundance of evidence that shows that La Liga is by far the highest level of football, results in Europe prove it beyond doubt.
Anyone who claims that the Premier League is better than La Liga is intellectually dishonest.
For how much longer does La Liga need to dominate Europe before people actually begin to accept it as the undisputed best league in the world.
The Prem is more competitive, but that is not really relevant. The domestic leagues of Brazil and Argentina are far more competitive than even the Premier League, that does not make them better.
Most fair-minded observers do, to be fair. In England and elsewhere.
Logic fails you terribly.
The league is all about the 20 teams that participate in it, it's not just about 2 teams. Apart from Barca & Real Madrid, no other Spanish side has won the Champions League. Let that sink in for a moment. La Liga has only produced 2 CL winners in 60 years.
In comparison, there have been 5 different clubs that have won the CL in England. What that tells me is that the English league is more competitive and the relative strength is higher than La Liga's. La Liga is a poor man's Scottish league where the gulf in class between the top 2 and the rest of the league is wider than the Pacific Ocean.
99% of the top talents in La Liga are shared between Barca & Real Madrid. 99% of the top talents in the Premier League are shared fairly equally by 7 different clubs thus making the competition a slugfest. Add the obscene number of games English sides play(League cup), lack of any winter break, The FA's idiotic scheduling of the games then you have a very fatigued English team in the CL competing against fresher continental teams.
Are you Wumminator son?
It looks like, the B team of Real Madrid would win the EPL, English football without foreign players and coaches would be even worse than Serie A or Bundesliga, let alone La Liga.
What's happened over 60 years is entirely irrelevant to a comparison between the current Spanish and English leagues.
The last three Champions League winners have been from Spain. Five of the six CL finalists of the past three years have been from Spain. Twice Atlético have been runner-up (despite an apparent gulf in class between them and the top two). The last three Europa Leagues have been won by a Spanish club (who finished 7th in La Liga last year).
According to the Ballon d'Or voting, 33% of the three best players in the world play for a La Liga club other than Madrid or Barça.
According to the PFA team of the year, 73% of the best players in the Premier League play for either Chelsea or Tottenham.
The last three Champions League winners have been from Spain. Five of the six CL finalists of the past three years have been from Spain. Twice Atlético have been runner-up (despite an apparent gulf in class between them and the top two). The last three Europa Leagues have been won by a Spanish club (who finished 7th in La Liga last year).
According to the Ballon d'Or voting, 33% of the three best players in the world play for a La Liga club other than Madrid or Barça.
According to the PFA team of the year, 73% of the best players in the Premier League play for either Chelsea or Tottenham.
La Liga is better, but I think the EPL could potentially retake center stage in Europe.
Would love for us to have 1/2 more CL spots. Europe would allow clubs like us to try and build stronger sides than the likes of Sevilla/Atletico
Would love for us to have 1/2 more CL spots. Europe would allow clubs like us to try and build stronger sides than the likes of Sevilla/Atletico
Agreed.
Why would England deserve more CL spots?
Never said deserve, just stated it would be beneficial.
Because most people posting here are supporters of various English clubs.
With the obscene number of games, it's really just the league cup that England has as a couple of extra games. I always felt that was nearly countered by the fact all Spanish cup rounds have two legs before the final.
As for England having a more diverse amount of winners, that's fair enough but I think we are talking about strength of the league now and in the past 20 odd years when the English league has fallen behind considerably.
I have said before but if you look at where the PL has ranked since the euro ban ended in 1990, you could only say it's been arguably the top league for maybe 2-3, which is shockingly bad verging on embarrassing considering the hype and cash that goes in and out of the league
It's worth baring in mind that Valencia and Atlético were only stopped from winning a CL trophy is the past 20 years by Real Madrid, another Spanish side. And in 2000 and 2014, Madrid finished below the teams they beat in the final.
What is the point your lot qualifying for the CL. Your idiotic manager will be whining & crying all season how his poor little millionaires are getting flogged to death for having to play twice in a week. He has still been at it this year, when you haven't even had European competition. Let a real men's clubs take Liverpool place if they qualify, to ensure Kloppy doesn't suffer a breakdown next season.
La Liga is clearly better, just a lot of delusional people on here. Slating Celta but not taking into account that Soton and West Ham who finished high are 10x as bad, it's ridiculous and typical for the agenda. Bar "competitiveness" there's no valid argument why the PL would be the best league.
In truth I think England, Germany and Spain should all get an addition CL spot. They should be put in at the second qualification round though so would have to play six games in July/August to qualify.
It's not something I'd like to see, but if it were, surely Italy and France deserve an extra spot over England ?