What about Berlin going out to Brondby?
The relative strength of the Premier League
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What about Berlin going out to Brondby?
Bundelsiga is awful lol
Scrubs like Kuranyi and Cacau were kings there
just because EPL is a bit down, doesnt mean Bundesliga is suddently amazing. they have like 3 good teams
Scrubs like Kuranyi and Cacau were kings there
just because EPL is a bit down, doesnt mean Bundesliga is suddently amazing. they have like 3 good teams
So City in half their PL games then.
Bayern have a far better squad than any PL team as well.
The PL should be the stronger league though with the top managerial talent that's come in as well as the talent in the top 6-7 teams.
La liga is still the best.
Awful seems like a stretch. Vardy and Scott fecking Parker have been PL kings in recent times.
*Insert a 1-7 joke*
SILVER MEDAL HAHAH!!
Would've still done a better job than Fred at the WC
This thread could be decent if people from both sides of the argument wouldn't knee jerk bump it at any possibility. I mean a 6-0 trashing from Bayern is absolutely no indicator for anything whatsoever related to this thread yet it got bumped immediately after the final whistle.
Bayern would probably beat us by 3 at least so what's the fuss*
Jose Mourinho: Real Madrid and Barcelona would struggle in the Premier League - it's not as easy as La Liga
- Jose Mourinho feels La Liga lacks the Premier League's competitive edge
- The Chelsea manager insists Barcelona and Real Madrid would struggle
- Mourinho insists English football has no guarantees like they do in Spain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...struggle-Premier-League-not-easy-La-Liga.html
The 52-year-old believes Barcelona and Real Madrid only play four or five tough matches per season and would find it much more difficult to win the Premier League.
“I was in Spain, but I didn’t enjoy it,” he told TalkSPORT. “I didn’t enjoy it because I won a title with a record in Spain with 100 points and 121 goals, but we played only three or four matches all season.
“I lost a title with 92 points, but again we played only four or five matches in a season.
“You feel the pressure that you have to win every match because if you don’t you are not champions. You have to win and win and win. But it is a big, big gap between the giants and the others.”
http://www.the42.ie/mourino-talks-la-liga-premier-league-2111724-May2015/
They would struggle definitely. But they would win it still IMO. Especially, Barcelona. Their league consistency is ridiculous.
And although there is a big gap between the top 2/3 and the others, the mid table teams are still very strong. Much stronger than the English ones
And although there is a big gap between the top 2/3 and the others, the mid table teams are still very strong. Much stronger than the English ones
It's funny that we have these Mourinho quotes on almost every page of this thread despite every single time someone matches them with another quote where he says the polar opposite.
There's no way Real or Barca would struggle in England. 
Replace the Manchester clubs with both and they win at least 90 points. Do people honestly think they would struggle against teams like Sunderland, WBA, Bournemouth, Middlesbrough, Burnley, Swansea, Watford, Hull, Palace and Stoke? Seriously?
As for the joke of an article above. There's only 4/5 hard games? Is that why Barcelona failed to win 9 games last season? Won 8 games by a single goal. That's 17 games that Barcelona factually didn't win 'easily'... 4 other games by only 2 goals...
Barcelona won 29 matches last season, 10 more than Shitty, yet only in five more occasions won by 3+ more goals. And people think a dominant and far superior Barcelona team wouldn't do what City do to many teams and run away easy wins?
Replace the Manchester clubs with both and they win at least 90 points. Do people honestly think they would struggle against teams like Sunderland, WBA, Bournemouth, Middlesbrough, Burnley, Swansea, Watford, Hull, Palace and Stoke? Seriously?
As for the joke of an article above. There's only 4/5 hard games? Is that why Barcelona failed to win 9 games last season? Won 8 games by a single goal. That's 17 games that Barcelona factually didn't win 'easily'... 4 other games by only 2 goals...
Barcelona won 29 matches last season, 10 more than Shitty, yet only in five more occasions won by 3+ more goals. And people think a dominant and far superior Barcelona team wouldn't do what City do to many teams and run away easy wins?
There's no way Real or Barca would struggle in England.
Replace the Manchester clubs with both and they win at least 90 points. Do people honestly think they would struggle against teams like Sunderland, WBA, Bournemouth, Middlesbrough, Burnley, Swansea, Watford, Hull, Palace and Stoke? Seriously?
As for the joke of an article above. There's only 4/5 hard games? Is that why Barcelona failed to win 9 games last season? Won 8 games by a single goal. That's 17 games that Barcelona factually didn't win 'easily'... 4 other games by only 2 goals...
Barcelona won 29 matches last season, 10 more than Shitty, yet only in five more occasions won by 3+ more goals. And people think a dominant and far superior Barcelona team wouldn't do what City do to many teams and run away easy wins?
When you factor in the intensity of the Premier League week in/week out, the xmas/new year schedule, the depth of the football league, the cup competitions, injuries etc., etc., I 100% agree that Real, Barca, Bayern would not have it all their own way in the Premier League. Sure they may win titles but they wouldn't dominate like they do in our domestic leagues.
Anyway, who cares. For me the Prem is the best league in the world. Ain't bothered about the others.
I will not stand and watch while Vardy is being slandered.
The trouble with quoting Mourinho is that he does play to his audience and like a lot of entertaining speakers he exaggerates to make a point.
He might feel as if he only played 3/4 matches, but in his best season they dropped points in 6 games, and in his worst one they dropped points in 12.
I can easily imagine that the pressure of going up against Barca's quality and consistency wasn't nearly as much fun for him as managing in the PL. The reality is that a title winner can have a bad weekend in the PL and know that the same will happen to a rival, so it's OK. A couple of draws in La Liga and it can hurt.
It's a psychological issue as much as anything. Real Madrid and Atletico dropped points last year, and it allowed Barca to drop points. I've watched United (and Barca and Real Madrid) lose points to relegation candidate, but there's no way I'll believe that was because they were strong opponents.
You can enjoy the PL more, but trying to measure strength based on games lost by title contenders doesn't really add up.
He might feel as if he only played 3/4 matches, but in his best season they dropped points in 6 games, and in his worst one they dropped points in 12.
I can easily imagine that the pressure of going up against Barca's quality and consistency wasn't nearly as much fun for him as managing in the PL. The reality is that a title winner can have a bad weekend in the PL and know that the same will happen to a rival, so it's OK. A couple of draws in La Liga and it can hurt.
It's a psychological issue as much as anything. Real Madrid and Atletico dropped points last year, and it allowed Barca to drop points. I've watched United (and Barca and Real Madrid) lose points to relegation candidate, but there's no way I'll believe that was because they were strong opponents.
You can enjoy the PL more, but trying to measure strength based on games lost by title contenders doesn't really add up.
This season is two games long. Will you bump this thread and be outraged at appaling Premier League quality when there's a 4-0/5-0 scoreline between a top club and bottom half club? Somehow doubt it.
Yep. He was once arguing that the cost of all players and whether Twigginater knows them by name or not is the most important. If Twigg doesn't know a player, they are shite. Payet for example was utter crap terrible idiot in Ligue 1 but is world class in Premiership.
the first week of the prem we were the only team to win by more than a one goal advantage. There won't be many 4-0/5-0 score lines in the prem this season.
My argument was trying to say using the CL and Europa league is not the only way to judge teams. The fact that West Ham got knocked out by a Romanian club and Hertha Berlin got knocked out by Brondby supports this.
If we are going to use Europe, Liverpool are better than Dortmund and CL clubs in Spain.
Well, we'll see. As I say the season is just 2 weeks old, last season City had a handful of large scorelines and they were not a very good team. I doubt there will be many high scores in games not involving Bayern in Bundesliga either and there is not a team comprable to Bayern in PL anyway.
My argument was trying to say using the CL and Europa league is not the only way to judge teams. The fact that West Ham got knocked out by a Romanian club and Hertha Berlin got knocked out by Brondby supports this.
If we are going to use Europe, Liverpool are better than Dortmund and CL clubs in Spain.
You did mention the cost of players and you did laugh at lower half La Liga teams because you could not recognize their players. One off results might be misleading but several years cannot really be disregarded. I also doubt you'd be discounting them if it were PL teams who dominate it, quite opposite in fact. The memory of you boasting about Liverpool's EL success and actively cheering them in every game is still fresh.
Besides I doubt many people think Bundesliga is far better than PL either. At best it's close, I don't even think it's better at all.
The best league is always the one where he is managing. That's the rule.
City were close last week with their 4-1 win against a midtable team.
PL matches where teams won/lost by more than 2 goals last season:
10/08/15 West Brom 0-3 Manchester City
15/08/15 Southampton 0-3 Everton
16/08/15 Manchester City 3-0 Chelsea
29/08/15 Liverpool 0-3 West Ham
30/08/15 Southampton 3-0 Norwich
26/09/15 Leicester 2-5 Arsenal
26/09/15 Tottenham 4-1 Manchester City
03/10/15 Manchester City 6-1 Newcastle
04/10/15 Arsenal 3-0 Manchester United
17/10/15 Everton 0-3 Manchester United
17/10/15 Manchester City 5-1 Bournemouth
17/10/15 Watford 0-3 Arsenal
18/10/15 Newcastle 6-2 Norwich
25/10/15 Bournemouth 1-5 Tottenham
25/10/15 Sunderland 3-0 Newcastle
31/10/15 Swansea 0-3 Arsenal
01/11/15 Everton 6-2 Sunderland
21/11/15 Everton 4-0 Aston Villa
21/11/15 Manchester City 1-4 Liverpool
21/11/15 Newcastle 0-3 Leicester
22/11/15 Tottenham 4-1 West Ham
28/11/15 Crystal Palace 5-1 Newcastle
05/12/15 Swansea 0-3 Leicester
20/12/15 Watford 3-0 Liverpool
26/12/15 Manchester City 4-1 Sunderland
26/12/15 Southampton 4-0 Arsenal
26/12/15 Tottenham 3-0 Norwich
03/01/16 Crystal Palace 0-3 Chelsea
16/01/16 Bournemouth 3-0 Norwich
16/01/16 Manchester City 4-0 Crystal Palace
16/01/16 Southampton 3-0 West Brom
16/01/16 Tottenham 4-1 Sunderland
23/01/16 Leicester 3-0 Stoke
02/02/16 Norwich 0-3 Tottenham
03/02/16 Everton 3-0 Newcastle
06/02/16 Stoke 0-3 Everton
13/02/16 Chelsea 5-1 Newcastle
14/02/16 Aston Villa 0-6 Liverpool
02/03/16 Liverpool 3-0 Manchester City
05/03/16 Manchester City 4-0 Aston Villa
20/03/16 Tottenham 3-0 Bournemouth
02/04/16 Arsenal 4-0 Watford
02/04/16 Bournemouth 0-4 Manchester City
10/04/16 Liverpool 4-1 Stoke
10/04/16 Tottenham 3-0 Manchester United
16/04/16 Chelsea 0-3 Manchester City
16/04/16 Newcastle 3-0 Swansea
16/04/16 Norwich 0-3 Sunderland
18/04/16 Stoke 0-4 Tottenham
20/04/16 Liverpool 4-0 Everton
23/04/16 Bournemouth 1-4 Chelsea
23/04/16 Manchester City 4-0 Stoke
24/04/16 Leicester 4-0 Swansea
30/04/16 West Brom 0-3 West Ham
07/05/16 West Ham 1-4 Swansea
11/05/16 Sunderland 3-0 Everton
15/05/16 Arsenal 4-0 Aston Villa
15/05/16 Everton 3-0 Norwich
15/05/16 Newcastle 5-1 Tottenham
15/05/16 Southampton 4-1 Crystal Palace
I agree.
With all the money in the PL it is just a matter of time until one or two clubs will join the elite clubs or whatever you want to name them, but right now teams like the Manchester clubs are still a tier below Barcelona, Real or Bayern.
Using those 3 clubs then to shit on the Bundesliga or La Liga whenever they win a game with a goal difference of 4 or 5 is as stupid as it is misleading, because the circumstances are almost never mentioned. La Liga uses head to head, so it doesn't really matter if teams like Rayo in the last season lose their matches in the way they do, and Bremen right now has a massive injury crisis and a team that is not in form – everyone could predict the spanking they received yesterday by watching their cup game in the first round of the DFB Pokal.
Honestly, all the 'this or that league is the bestestest in the world' is just stupid and I think it got worse over the time I post on here. As a Bayern fan you simply can't go to the Bundesliga thread after a game like yesterday without other posters telling us our league is a joke and thus Bayern fans go into defensive mode. It happens all the time, it's annoying.
He was out of a job at the time....
So from that only four teams managed to score as many as Bayern did yesterday. Four different teams, one got relegated and one finished bottom half.
You are smarter than that.
I also bumped this thread to keep it out of the Bundesliga threadz
You came here like 5 minutes after win against Dortmund to boast. Come on.
Yep, in talks with a PL teams and certain to join one.
That's down to the fact that no team in the PL are at Bayern's level, and last season Bayern didn't score 6 in one game all season. They did score 5 past Hamburg, Wolfsburg, Dortmund, Werder Bremen, Dinamo Zagreb and Arsenal however.
They only scored 5 against Arsenal because Arsenal did not care. If they cared, it would have ended 2-0 to Arsenal.
I said it yesterday but the premierleague is the only remaining competitive main league remaining
Bundesliga - Bayern will win
Ligue 1 - PSG will win
La liga - barca will win
Serie A - Juventus will win
Bundesliga - Bayern will win
Ligue 1 - PSG will win
La liga - barca will win
Serie A - Juventus will win
Barca won La Liga in the last game last season. Real Madrid and Atletico will push them this year too, can't see why it'd be any different.
I don't see how Real and Atletico can't win the league this season and Barca are a certainty given how close last season was?
La Liga has a false pretense of being not competitive because the top three teams are so dominant but they're also arguably (alongside Bayern) the best three sides in Europe right now so that's pretty understandable. The PL is only more competitive at the top right now because there are 5-6 very good but not great teams as opposed to three great teams in La Liga.
Throughout the entire table it's a very competitive league with a lot of very good teams. Let's not forget how dominant they're been in the Europa recently too, and the relegation battle is usually very close as well.
I still think La Liga is the strongest league of the three but obviously with the vast money in the PL that will probably change at some point soon, these things tend to work in cycles and I believe we're getting close to a new cycle with the PL, now. Clubs are getting their shit together, making better signings, and getting better managers in, although the lack of homegrown talent in comparison to Spain will continue to be a hindrance.
I thought the Bundesliga was arguably stronger than the PL too in the last few years but I'd say in the next 2-3 years that will no longer be the case.
Barcelona and Real would absolutely steamroll the PL. That being said I'd wager the premier league does have the strongest bottom half of all the top leagues. Though with the amount of money this bottom half can spend they're relatively rubbish.