Yeah I said around 2010 is when this started. I think really it's this last year when things have accelerated with the increase of money in the league.
The relative strength of the Premier League
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Yeah I said around 2010 is when this started. I think really it's this last year when things have accelerated with the increase of money in the league.
Ok so correct me if i'm wrong but until 2010 La Liga was very competitive(and best in the world in line with his quotes?). Since then things began to change, lets say a downward spiral (in competitiveness) for La Liga and the opposite for PL. Is that fair?
Btw the money hasn't increased just yet. The new tv deal(if thats what you are referring to) comes into effect from next season.
It also increased this season massively.
But yeah that's an accurate assessment pretty much.
I'm looking forward for the quote you have to disprove this
I just wanted to see where our differences in thought lay and maybe address it. But it seems we are so far apart. Very very very far. There really is no point so i wish you a good day sir.It also increased this season massively.
But yeah that's an accurate assessment pretty much.
I'm looking forward for the quote you have to disprove this
Fair enough. I think we are far apart.
So it seems I've annoyed everyone enough that they've left my thread.
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The problem with this thread is that initially the point was that the PL has higher standards, now the point is that the competition is superior which historically isn't accurrate either, in reality both leagues are surprisingly close. In normal circumstances both leagues are at the same level.
So the Primera Division has grown weaker since then? Are you serious? In the last five years Atletico Madrid joined Real and Barca at the top of the league, effectively turning a two horse race into a three way battle. On top of that clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, Villareal or Bilbao had some outstanding seasons, driving the overall quality of the league even higher. With that slip ups in the title race have become even more costly as they are more teams with the chance to take advantage of.
I really hope that your view is shared by many people, who make decisions in terms of English football. As long as they can hide behind the weak excuse of being too tired for the European competitions because of fighting the football juggernauts Aston Villa, Watford or Stoke in the league, they might not see the need to adjust views and continue to waste money endlessly. Long it may continue.
You do realize it got stronger since then? The third top side has emerged while teams like Athletic, Villarreal and Sevilla have improved considerably. Do you even think about what you say or just fit items to your agenda?
I think the problem is he lives in his own imagined world. He has no touch with reality, does not watch other leagues and has zero clue about the quality of football there (even he admits that he does not watch other leagues). His perception is based solely on the amount of money spent by clubs.
I find it absolutely amazing how anyone can possibly say that La Liga was better in 2010 than it is now. Barcelona are better now than they were then, Real Madrid are better now, Atletico are absolute miles ahead of the team they had back then, Sevilla are better, Vilarreal are far far better, Athletic are much better. The only side that maybe got slightly worse are Valencia but I'm not even sure about them as it's mostly down to poor season. Back then it was a pure 2-horse race and it looked impossible for any other team than Barca and Real Madrid to win the title. Since then Atletico won it and have challenged in other seasons. There's no way in hell he perceived La Liga as competitive and strong back then, he just says this stuff to feed his delusion.
He knows, he just won't say it because he really wants to lable the EPL the "Best league in the world", as if it was important.
Maybe he's too tired from the intensity of Premier League to actually be reasonable?
Let´s be honest, any argument that sees the EPL (or any league for that matter) stronger than the Primera Division, has no leg to stand on. Even if the lower half of the EPL would be stronger (which can´t really be proven either way), the differences in International performances are way too vast to balance that out.
They have three teams amongst the top 8 in Europe. They will have at least two teams (mostly because of one Spanish duel) in the quarter finals of the EL aswell, two teams which would be considered top favourites to win it, if not for our freak season last year, which led us to play in this competition.
They have outdone any over league for years with a good margin. No (mostly made up) argument can wipe that away.
Tbh, even if someone is truly convinced that the PL is still better after all of it, you still wanna hear logical arguments based on it. So far most of the pro PL stuff said has been really stupid.
It's like pretending that a boxer is better because his weight class is more competitive, and in the case of the EPL I'm not even sure if it's more competitive, in the last 18 years Barcelona has won the same proportion of games than United.
When Mourinho manged in Spain he said it was the best league in the world.
When Mourinho managed or will managed in England he said it was the best league in the world.
He says things to suit whatever he wants. If he got a job in Germany he'll say it's the best league in the world. What he says mean nothing
Crikey.
Makes you think doesn't it.
Makes you think doesn't it.
Still below La Liga comfortably.
Not sure about Bundesliga. Can argue for both sides imo.
Not sure about Bundesliga. Can argue for both sides imo.
Those wasn't two (apparently) ordinary sides that English clubs knocked out this week.
Weren't you the one who said that knockout ties mean nothing?
Yeah a lot of people argued the other side didn't they, I certainly remember a lot of that.
I'd argue that Dortmund have to fight so hard in the Bundesliga that they couldn't give it their all in the EL, unlike Liverpool.
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hmmm...
I think the problem was that Sahin, Leitner and Ramos were so tired after the gruelling game in the Bundesliga at the weekend, that they had to play the second team in the Europa league tonight.
While it's interesting to see what people think on that subject, do people actually care about the answer?
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Indeed. Out of 8 remaining teams in Europe 4 are Spanish and that's only because two have been recently knocked out by other Spanish clubs. When the only way Spanish teams can go out is via losing to other Spanish teams it's quite telling... You are finally coming to terms with real world I see.
Bundesliga fans licking their wounds tonight, I could post some rubbish about how an 8th placed team in England beating the 2nd best team in Germany (with their 8 changes at the weekend) proves something, but it would be childish and probably just reveal an inferiority complex on my part.
Spain has three very strong teams. Below that are good teams who have no hope of ever mounting a title challenge and so can give their full attention to the Europa League. England has no truly top tier team at the moment but, for that reason, its equivalents of Seville (Spurs) can decide to prioritise a title challenge over the Europa League. In other words, a direct comparison is not that easy. In any event, a league structured to benefit two superclubs (and now gatecrashed by a third club playing excruciatingly negative football) is not that appealing, as reflected in the respective TV deals of La Liga and the Premier League.
It's good that you told us, we might have thought otherwise considering your posts in the last hour:
All the big players rested at the weekend, thanks to the unique way that nobody actually cares about winning the Bundesliga, and they still couldn't beat a team that are 8th in the Premier League.
My personal favourite was bumping the Bundesliga thread to tell us all your mature and well reflected opinion in case we missed it in one of the other threads.
Bang on.
The top 3 teams in Spain are much stronger than the top 3 in England. The top 6/10/20 are stronger in England.
Suarez recently made some interesting comments about how every game in the PL was a battle and you were never guaranteed a win. And that he misses that. He eluded that the standard of opposition was higher.
Of course it is. Just as obviously the top 3 in Spain are better than the top 3 in England. Three rest of the league, however, is stronger in England. Much.
With that though, does he mean that the standard of opposition is higher, or Barcelona is simply a few levels above everyone else that the opposition just has no chance? Don't think it would be different if they were in the premier league. Overall there isn't much between the leagues IMO. Just the main difference being the quality of Real/Atletico/Barca being quite a bit better then anyone in the premier league. The other teams are all pretty even.
Yes?
Top 6 is stronger in Spain, top 10 too. Bottom 10 is impossible to compare.
Twigg reckons Atletico are around Man Utd level.
Still think Dortmund could walk the league with not much difficulty Sarni?
Of course. I also reckon Barcelona will win La Liga despite losing to Atletico in CL.
Funny how these European games only have meaning for you when they go your way.
When they embarrassed English 2nd placed team it was meaningless.Dortmund are considerably better than any English team. If last night proves anything it's that having a tough league game against top opposition can drain you and make you play worse than playing a God awful Stoke team.
It's disgusting that you are literally celebrating Liverpool win because in your crazy mind it proves your point on an Internet forum. Wow.
Fair enough.