There is no chance a team like City, United and Arsenal are struggling to make CL football in a less competitive league. That's my counter point there.
The relative strength of the Premier League
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There is no chance a team like City, United and Arsenal are struggling to make CL football in a less competitive league. That's my counter point there.
Do you actuallt believe all of them would make CL in Spain? I'd say maybe one would. Two at a push but extremely unlikely. Similar to PL, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm sure that will be very educational.
Let me just say that you seem to have hit upon a "can't possibly be proven wrong" line of reasoning here - one that a Van Gaalist would be proud of: It's the competitiveness. That explains everything. The reason PL teams are seemingly inferior in Europe is - simply - that the nature of the league makes it impossible to compete on a level playing field.
And so, the best, most obvious counter argument you're presented with - namely that English teams look inferior to continental sides as per the only tangible measure we have - is rendered invalid.
In other contexts this is what is often referred to as special pleading.
Well considering there's competition between Barca, Real and Atletico at the top of La Liga, you cannot possibly say that Barca have no competition. Funny that you quote Mourinho who you hate and rate as a shit manager.
You keep putting words into my mouth. I'm not saying we dismiss them. I said their league is less competitive. Now Mourinho (who is the only person in the world who might know these things) agrees.
One that maybe Van Gaal and Mourinho would be proud of.
I think he's a prick.
Doesn't mean he can't be right. He will know about the competitiveness of the league no doubt.
It just makes me laugh how he's come out and parroted my opinion. Maybe that will stop some of my haters.
I think that's a very simplistic view. What me and Mourinho are claiming is that the league is more competitiveness so it lets those other leagues have an easier time in the CL.
Find it absolutely hilarious that you suddenly respect his opinion when it suits your agenda. He's not even parroting your opinion.
'Me and Mourinho are claiming' FFS
The view that the only reason PL teams do poorly in Europe is because they are too tired from the competitiveness of PL is ridiculous. In 2008 we had a very tight title race in England and three clubs in semifinals of CL, two in the final. In the meantime Real Madrid were running away with the league, Barcelona had nothing to play in La Liga, both did poorly in CL. Somehow back then it did not work that way, guess why?
Maureen more than LVG, I'd say - actually. LVG is a slightly different brand of bullshit spouter. But his followers are prone to this sort of fallacy - they use it alot.
Come on, you've seen us play this year, we're dreadful... we'd absolutely be struggling to make the CL in Spain, Italy or Germany.
A disinterested City would also struggle in any league... any team that isn't interested in winning football matches will always struggle.
Also, Arsenal aren't struggling to make CL football...
Mourinho also said no english teams would have a chance in winning La Liga. They can only hope to finish third at best. So i guess guess its not so easy to thrash the small Spanish teams huh or else he'd think they can win the league as well.
What isn't relative is the strenght of Twigg's wuming, 32 pages
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Ok. Barce and Real are the best teams in the world but the prem is harder because of competitiveness.
I agree
I agree
Dont forget Atletico. Basically the entire top7 in Spain are just better than their counterparts.
He didn't say that. He said the actual opposite of what you're saying
"I have previously won titles in Portugal, England and Italy, but this one in Spain is the hardest title so far. And I have even won titles on the last matchday in the past. They didn't give us any presents," Mourinho stated to Real Madrid TV.where did he say that PL is harder??
To be fair Mourinho is very opportunist and talked very bad about la liga from the moment he left Madrid, saying more or less the opposite to those statements. Probably he also spoke well about Calcio and changed his mind when he left Inter.
That is exactly the point. They all do the same thing. They go to Italy and say this is the best league i am so happy it is my dream come true. They go to England and say the same thing. They go to Spain, Germany, same thing always.
Those quotes were before Atlético were even thought as being a CL club.
So how would you explain that the gap between 3th and 15th in the Premier League is 19 points while it's only 11 points in Ligue 1? A team like Angers was constantly a top 5 team until their recent struggles and now they're only six points above the relegation places. Isn't such a close gap between the top teams and the bottom teams the very definition of competitiveness?
I understand that. I don't think Mourinho comments can be taken seriously, and most of here don't, except Twigginater
where did he say that PL is harder??
Did you not see the quotes on the previous page?
Yeah it's a shame that the top of the league is a procession
But his quotes don't contradict each other at all?
So you believe everything he says?
No, only the things that he says that suit his agenda. He despises Mourinho otherwise and does not want him at United.
Unless he has any preconceived biases yes.
As of now he is out of a job saying how much easier German and Spanish teams have it in the CL. I would agree with him. If you don't fair enough, but I hope you can see where we are coming from and hopefully you'll come around to my side in time.
I don't like the man, I think he's extraordanarily well equipped to talk about this topic though.
Then surely you must also believe that La Liga is the best league in the world and it is very, very strong.
Where did he say that?
Edit just seen it.
I agree it's technically excellent. Not very competitive though. I think his recent quotes show what the most competitive is
Ok so Premier League is most competitive and La Liga is the best and also very, very strong?
It is very strong (particularly when Mourinho was there) however as Mourinho states the league is not as strong as the Prem.
I'll accept that the La Liga was strong when he was there. I believe I said around 2010 was when it started to change.
To sum up Mourinho did take part in a competitive strong league (six years ago(. Since then it has become obvious to me and him that the prem has become so competitive that it is now a hindrance for the English teams in Europe. The big Spanish clubs have it easier due to the lack of competitiveness over the season.
I'm glad he put it so succinctly. I don't like the man but he makes a good point and through his quotes you can see the arguments I'm trying to make. I hope his opinion has made you take pause and reconsider your stance (certainly I can understand why you question me, you know nothing of my credentials or football knowledge) but I think the quotes coming from someone so well respected means an awful lot at this point.
Mate, those quotes are from August 2012 from the 2012/13 season. So what you are basically saying is since then it started to change and Premier League has pulled ahead of La Liga? More than questioning you i want to be certain how you are interpreting these Mourinho quotes, just trying to get a clear picture first and then maybe ill try make sense of it and maybe try to respond.