The relative strength of the Premier League

do.ob said:
Yeah, such a simple equation.

Klopp thrives under conditions such as last night, they play into his cards tactically and from an emotional or motivational point. Now, what's Pochettino's continental track record?

You tell me football is unpredictable, then you claim that because Spurs coach is young and because they do better in a different competition they would do similar things in Europe.


Dortmund also have a better squad than both Liverpool and Spurs and their coach is young and promising too. Yet they lost against Liverpool, because Tuchel had less experience than Klopp and thus couldn't stabilize his team in the final minutes.
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It's a pointless argument as like it or not Spurs had something bigger to try for so they just gave the tie away.

The reality is we don't know who would have come out on top had Spurs gone for it, your money is obviously on Dortmund, mine obviously would be on Spurs as our defence looks better than theirs over the games I've seen them play.
 
With the quality of managers and riches coming into the Premier League over the next few seasons it's really hard to see how the Premier League won't return to the top of the European pile.

I think in one of the next 2 or 3 transfer windows there will be a watershed moment where a truly world class star is lured by a Premier League club ahead of one of the current three European megateams and from that moment onwards the Premier League will reach heights that surpass even the 04-09 period.
 
do.ob said:
Yeah, such a simple equation.

Klopp thrives under conditions such as last night, they play into his cards tactically and from an emotional or motivational point. Now, what's Pochettino's continental track record?

You tell me football is unpredictable, then you claim that because Spurs coach is young and because they do better in a different competition they would do similar things in Europe.


Dortmund also have a better squad than both Liverpool and Spurs and their coach is young and promising too. Yet they lost against Liverpool, because Tuchel had less experience than Klopp and thus couldn't stabilize his team in the final minutes.
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I said could - not necessarily would - likewise have beaten Dormund over two legs IF they'd fielded their best available XI in both games. And btw, Dortmund do not have a better squad than Spurs.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I said could - not necessarily would - likewise have beaten Dormund over two legs IF they'd fielded their best available XI in both games. And btw, Dortmund do not have a better squad than Spurs.
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Sorry if I disrespected the mighty Spurcelona.
 
do.ob said:
Sorry if I disrespected the mighty Spurcelona.
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Why do you get to disrespect Spurs and Liverpool and proclaim Dortmund as this super team?
Glaston is only saying Spurs would have given Dortmund a better game if they didn't rest 8 first team players. Remember no side has to be Spurscelona to give Dortmund a game..who are Dortmund here?
 
cyberman said:
Why do you get to disrespect Spurs and Liverpool and proclaim Dortmund as this super team?
Glaston is only saying Spurs would have given Dortmund a better game if they didn't rest 8 first team players. Remember no side has to be Spurscelona to give Dortmund a game..who are Dortmund here?
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Where did I disrespect them? In football anyone could give anybody a game, if things go their way. It's not that huge a statement. What I find ridiculous are the arguments brought forward to support this, as well as claiming "oh well, we got outplayed hard over two matches, we are doing worse in every comparable competition, but our squad is at least as strong!".
I think it's hilarious how Glastonspur talks down every single club while at the same time massively overrating this Tottenham side.
 
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do.ob said:
Where did I disrespect them? In football anyone could give anybody a game, if things go their way. It's not that huge a statement. What I find ridiculous are the arguments brought forward to support this, as well as claiming "oh well, we got outplayed hard over two matches, we are doing worse in every comparable competition, but our squad is at least as strong!".
I think it's hilarious how Glastonspur talks down every single club while at the same time massively overrating this Tottenham side.
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Or maybe he just said that had Dortmund faced Spurs strongest team it would have been a different tie, which to be honest is patently obvious.
 
do.ob said:
Where did I disrespect them? In football anyone could give anybody a game, if things go their way. It's not that huge a statement. What I find ridiculous are the arguments brought forward to support this, as well as claiming "oh well, we got outplayed hard over two matches, we are doing worse in every comparable competition, but our squad is at least as strong!".
I think it's hilarious how Glastonspur talks down every single club while at the same time massively overrating this Tottenham side.
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Not true. Spurs are currently 2nd in the Prem - a much stronger league than the Bundesliga - 7 points behind the leaders but with a better GD then them, whilst Dortmund are also 2nd, also 7 points behind the leaders but with a worse GD than them.

Nor is it true that I play down every other club. For example, I said a long time ago that Leicester were nailed on for top 4. I also said more recently that they are clear favourites for the title and that if they take it then that would be - IMO - the greatest sporting upset in the history of football.

It's hardly "ridiculous" to think that Spurs best XI would not need necessarily need the rub of the green to match Dortmund .
 
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SirHenryPercy said:
Or maybe he just said that had Dortmund faced Spurs strongest team it would have been a different tie, which to be honest is patently obvious.
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Right. See the post below yours, as in Leicester = Bayern.
 
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The calibre and credentials of the managers in the Premier League is quite remarkable.

Even the mistake teams have managers with impressive CVs.

Hopefully Mourinho will be coming back and taking over United to add to this.
 
Earlier on in the thread people were arguing that Bayern don't routinely come and sign Dortmund's best players.

Now Hummels has gone.

Don't Bayern fans... get bored of winning the league in this fashion?
 
Twigginater said:
Earlier on in the thread people were arguing that Bayern don't routinely come and sign Dortmund's best players.

Now Hummels has gone.

Don't Bayern fans... get bored of winning the league in this fashion?
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Dortmund will find a good replacement plus they will use money on Dembele to further strengthen the team. Besides were people really arguing that Bayern do not pick Dortmund's players after Götze and Lewandowski?
 
Twigginater said:
Earlier on in the thread people were arguing that Bayern don't routinely come and sign Dortmund's best players.

Now Hummels has gone.

Don't Bayern fans... get bored of winning the league in this fashion?
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We will stop signing great Dortmund players if every other top club in the world promises to also not buy any of their stars. Deal?
 
I think relative strength is a bit of a nonsense thing. I mean clubs from different countries play each other very sporadically. And in that respect UEFA coefficient does its job well enough.

For me the more important thing is whether it's interesting enjoyable to watch a certain league. In Spain while they have great top 3 teams and some quality second-tiers i fell most of the games is almost non-existent competitively speaking. I mean we all saw how Real teams was against city for example, yet Real has 90 points, 110 goals scored, you have to wonder what sort of opposition did they encounter in 40-50% of their games in Spain.
 
No surprise that once champions league places are up for grabs an English side looks set to win it. 2nd rate Spanish/German/Italian teams better get used to it.
 
goin4glory said:
No surprise that once champions league places are up for grabs an English side looks set to win it. 2nd rate Spanish/German/Italian teams better get used to it.
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Yep. They'd be winning it year in year out if they cared. Even the bottom teams.
 
Liverpool were a class apart tonight indeed.
 
I'm not at all surprised that both Spanish sides struggled against Liverpool -- both Villarreal and Sevilla were the worst form teams in La Liga this past month... losing 4 and only winning 1 of their last 6 games (hell, Sevilla even lost 7 of their last 9 league games!), the difference is that Villarreal didn't have Sevilla's resilience and "cup-spirit".

Remarkably, this year's win has actually been the most comfortable one for them. In 2013/14 they beat Benfica on penalties after a 0-0 draw; last season they beat Dnipro 3-2 after going behind early, turning it around and then getting pegged back again right on the stroke of HT, before winning it in the 2nd half.
 
Could be worse I guess, could have been a league with no teams in any European final this year. This thread has gone strangely quiet since mid to late April.
 
Not sure what tonight shows.

Liverpool were far better then fell apart with clownish defending, Sevilla much too intelligent and savvy to pass up the opportunities and then zipped the ball around with the confidence Liverpool gave them. Liverpool went to pieces as soon as things started looking even slightly tits up.

I'd still say Liverpool are the stronger side but lack Sevilla's big-game experience and bottle.
 
With that Seville win,it is confirmed that:

Spanish teams have won the UEFA champions league and Europe league for the last 3 seasons. The last none Spanish winner was Jupp Heyneckes Bayern. That was 2013,which feels like a lifetime ago in more ways than one

Simply amazing.
 
Number 7 in La Liga absolutely hammered number 8 in the PL. Played them off the park.

But the Prem will be really competitive next season. Leicester, West Ham, Southampton will all be playing to get into Europe. Spurs will be fighting tooth and nail to be in the top three. Arsenal will be Arsenal.
 
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