Do you think Balu can name every manager in the Premier League?
The relative strength of the Premier League
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Do you think Balu can name every manager in the Premier League?
Ok - so domestically, that's fair, though you never specified domestically, and we're discussing the PL vs its European rivals, are we not?From two years ago in the Prem.
Do you think that was a coincidence?
If I'm really going to have to argue that there is a high relationship between money spent and success in football I'm going to have to give up.
The question is - does the massive monetary amounts in the PL vs La Liga and the Bundesliga make it a superior league by default? I believe that's what you're alluding to, or at least that the money involved plays a part in this, because you seem to feel like European games and such are irrelevant to the equation.
It's also very, very convenient that you're excluding the current season. I wonder what that chart would look like?
Still waiting for that list of PL-exclusive players. If it's a fact, it can't be that hard.
What does that even mean? What is going on. What point are you even trying to argue?
Maybe not. However, Balu never made any claims of knowledge and "facts" regarding the relative strength of managers in different leagues. See the difference?
1. It's best teams piss on the PL's best from a great great height.
2. It's teams are the dominant league in Europe - CL and EL.
3. The rest of it's league despite spending less than the PL counterparts matches it on the football pitch where it matters.
I don't know. I haven't got the time to make it. That's just the latest one available.
I do think the amount of money will make a league superior yes.
That having two talented kids doesn't make a league strong?
No-one said it did. Why would you be arguing that?
Do you think the quality of the homegrown players has any effect?
It ideally should, and I'm hoping that happens soon. But as things stand, it hasn't happened. The PL's "rest" has moved forwards a little and the big clubs have regressed big time often wasting their "big finances". I'm hoping with Pep and Mourinho returning, the standards rise (hopefully ours more than our rivals').
Not really. The Prem doesn't have a lot of homegrown talent coming through. It simply buys it in from other leagues.
I also think it's doing a massive disservice to say the talent of homegrown players in the prem is maybe weaker than Spain.
Then why are you posting it in this thread?
You should start a thread called "Golden Boy Winners Comparison - league wise".
In a two legged affair, which means playing a game of football away from home in Europe (we have won 1 away game in Europe all season, in CL qualifying no less)? To a Milan team that have lost 2 home games in Serie A all season? Feck no... I don't know much about Mainz other then they beat Munich the other week and are over achieving a bit this season, but I know enough about United to know we're feckin' hopeless.
If the Chinese League outspends the Premier League in future will you concede that it is the best league in the world?
WUM confirmed. I'm out.
I really hope you're on a WUM because otherwise I can't comprehend your logic, it's just baffling. I'm out, because this is ridiculous.
By the way, your two sentences completely contradict each other!
Precisely. It would be like me claiming the PL teams are better managed than the Bundesliga ones without knowing how the latter are being managed.
If over a period of three or four years the Chinese league starts to outspend the premier league, it will eventually start to catch up in terms of quality. There is such a difference at the moment that it is hard to say though.
Because someone else said "There is more young talent in Spain" I said "well the golden boy, a competition which is ran by journalists from every major European country, which votes on the quality of young players actually says that the Prem has the most"
and I got back "Well Anderson won it once so it doesn't mean anything."
That is what I have to contend with Amol.
Fair enough.
We have young English talent going for 50 million plus and players like Smalling among our highest rated players, yet people act as if English home grown players are some also rans.
England is producing world class talent now. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.
England is producing world class talent now. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.
Who Sterling?
really?Who cares what they are going for, they are not very good end of.
EDIT: Name these world class talents please?
Who Sterling?
Who cares what they are going for, they are not very good end of.
EDIT: Name these world class talents please?
You don't think Sterling is a world class talent?
It's more the fact that Spain and Germany produces better domestic talents. Do you not agree with this? I would say that the national players of Spain/Germany are better than the English national players. The second tier of Spanish/German players are better than the second tier of English players. The third tier.... and so on.
I think a pertinent question to ask would be has the level of money used in the Chinese leagues improved the quality.
I think it's obvious that it has.
How do you know the third tier of Spanish players are better than the third tier of English players. I'd be very interested to see how you would judge.
I do not. I think Kingsley Conman is a world class talent, and there is a clear difference between the two players.
City fans are now even starting to say Sterling shouldn't be in the first team.
There's absolutely no patience nowadays. He's clearly a very talented player.
I'm happy to be called a WUM.
I'm pretty sure in two years this viewpoint will be pretty common among football fans.
I'm pretty sure in two years this viewpoint will be pretty common among football fans.
To be fair, I'm not sure having Sterling and Martial as Golden Boy winners over the last 5 years means you have the best young players. That just means you have the single best young player of that year according to journalists.
With regards to Sterling, I think he is indeed a top class talent. I won't play him down for no reason.
You said world class talent, he is a talented player, but a world class talent? I think that is reaching. Have you actually seen the way he strikes a ball?
Hopefully. But it will because it will be true in two years, in that case, and not due to how things are today. And I can see that happening if Pep, Conte and Mourinho can lift City, Chelsea and United respectively.
Well because they seem to be better at almost every level. It's pretty natural don't you think? If their best is better than your best and their second best is better than your second best it seems highly unlikely their third best is worst than your third best. This is true in many other fields of our life, not just in sports.
In two years all football fans will consider you a WUM?
I wasn't saying the winners, there is a 40 man short list. I think the prem had about 17.
The only ignorant thing in this thread is you.
And when you use Smalling as world class talent, there is something wrong with that opinion. Or money spent on a player.
England producing world class talent lol. The rest of the world is scared.
However, all things considered, you are qualified to get a job in sky. Clueless, arrogant, claim that EPL is the best and England football team is good, belittle other players/teams just because you have no clue about that. You tick all the boxes.
Fair enough. I don't have a viewpoint on the young players as I don't know enough but I suppose that's a decent (not conclusive) thing to put forth.