I mean it has been proven that time and time again money and quality has a direct correlation in football.
The relative strength of the Premier League
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I mean it has been proven that time and time again money and quality has a direct correlation in football.
Let me repeat my question: How do you prove these "facts"? Since they are facts, there must be proof.
Can you provide all this proof to us? I want to be enlightened.
What players are available to teams in the prem that aren't available to La Liga and Bundesliga teams?
Barring about five clubs, the relegated teams in England this year will earn more than the rest of the Bundesliga and La Liga.
From two years ago in the Prem.
Do you think that was a coincidence?
If I'm really going to have to argue that there is a high relationship between money spent and success in football I'm going to have to give up.
That's not proof. That's just numbers that by themselves say absolutely nothing about a club or their players. There are surely about 20 clubs who could've easily gotten Arnautovic, Bojan or Shaqiri, for example. The big difference seems to be that teams from La Liga and Bundesliga rely more on good scouting and good work with their youth teams than just splashing cash around. What you're saying about the relegation candidated being rich has nothing to do with your point of "PL clubs can buy players La Liga and Bundesliga categorically can't buy."
Again: Where's the proof? Who are those players that are only available to the PL? Who are the greatest coaches in the world?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Coach_of_the_Year#Wins_by_manager
World Coach of the year. 11 managers listed in the top three. Only six winners. Only four club winners.
Mourinho/Guardiola/Klopp will be in the Prem next year. Former Champions League winning managers like LVG and Ranieri will be in the league next year. Whether you want to judge it based on recent success or over trophies won, the Prem wins.
Premier leagues have better finances and wage budgets.
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/spanish-la-liga-players-salaries/
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/
Which also proves the last fact as well
Spain and Germany also produce superior domestic talents. English clubs are already at a disadvantage before money comes into equation. English clubs NEED the money to stay competitive. A Chinese club having more money does not make them better than Italian teams.
Again I'm fed up of answering silly questions now.
Do we agree that Klopp, Mourinho and Guardiola are three of the top say six managers in world football? Are we happy with that?
I've proven that Prem Clubs have much more money available to them yes? We are convinced of that.
And we know that premier league clubs can attract players because of this? We're happy saying that most footballers will go where there is money?
So let me ask a question. Based on those three points. Why is La Liga and Bundesliga better?
Do we agree that Klopp, Mourinho and Guardiola are three of the top say six managers in world football? Are we happy with that?
I've proven that Prem Clubs have much more money available to them yes? We are convinced of that.
And we know that premier league clubs can attract players because of this? We're happy saying that most footballers will go where there is money?
So let me ask a question. Based on those three points. Why is La Liga and Bundesliga better?
But we looked at a list earlier of some of the best young talent in world football and the prem has a much higher number than other leagues. The prem can bring through less home grown players as it will import the more talented players from other countries.
Why are the Ranieris and LVGs of today better than any coach in La Liga or the Bundesliga? Why is Mourinho still rated so highly after just completely fecking up Chelsea's season?
You won't answer it, since you never react well to probing your ridiculous theories in this thread, but again: Who are these players you are talking about? You have failed to name a SINGLE player that was only available to the PL. Not one.
Have you ever heard of Ralph Hasenhüttl? Do you know the manager of Villareal? Why is West Hams manager better than his german or spanish counterpart?
Reg. the "Golden Boy" list: Anderson won that award. Let that sink in and rethink if you want to use it as one of the foundations of your argument, I implore you.
You won't answer it, since you never react well to probing your ridiculous theories in this thread, but again: Who are these players you are talking about? You have failed to name a SINGLE player that was only available to the PL. Not one.
Have you ever heard of Ralph Hasenhüttl? Do you know the manager of Villareal? Why is West Hams manager better than his german or spanish counterpart?
Reg. the "Golden Boy" list: Anderson won that award. Let that sink in and rethink if you want to use it as one of the foundations of your argument, I implore you.
The PL clubs have more wealth but aren't as strong on the pitch, as compared to their La Liga counterparts. I'm not sure why this should confused.
As for managers, if anything, the top clubs in the PL are really lacking good management. Teams like United and City appear to be managed in a clueless manner in the PL.
Two of them aren't coaching in England right now and one of them just started midway through the season and can't have had any meaningful impact on the league yet. Not entirely sure how that's an argument in favour of the strength of the Premier League at the moment to be honest
. Did you expect him to know that?That list has Bakkali and no Gaya. It's more of a popularity contest. We can also look the the performance of in the ux UEFA tournaments to see who produces better taletnts.
No, that's my point.
Any logic will work for Twigginator to big up the PL. Contradictory logic, bad logic or even future logic.Two of them aren't coaching in England right now and one of them just started midway through the season and can't have had any meaningful impact on the league yet. Not entirely sure how that's an argument in favour of the strength of the Premier League at the moment to be honest
You're just phoning it in now.
He'll soon be telling you how crap the manager of Villareal is because he doesn't manage Everton.
I find Twigg's wuming boring but you can't possibly imply that Mourinho isn't a top manager just because he fecked up this season. If Guardiola fecks up next season at City will we disregard his past? Isn't Klopp a top manager? Well his last season at Dortmund wasn't really a big accomplishment. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with his Liverpool career so far.
You got it the wrong way round, mate. He doesn't manage Everton because he's crap.
Just trying to figure out what Twiggsy means by "best coaches in the world" and what standards he applies. No such implications... well... implied.
The point is whether Mourinho has contributed to the strength of the league. Can you say the PL is strong this year because Mourinho managed in the PL?
Mourinho is clearly one of the best coaches in the world, even with his sacking this season.
fecking hell you people are actually going to argue why Mourinho isn't a good coach to ME?
They are great managers but you can't expect them to get the most out of their team immediately. Klopp needed 10 years to win his first Bundesliga. Most likely will need 3-4 years to build the Liverpool team he needs. Same with Guardiola and Mourinho they would need one or two years. I can see premier league dominating europe in future. Maybe in two years time.
That was not the point i was discussing at all. I adressed a specific point of pirate's post. I don't think it implied that at all.
True, but I'm bringing that discussion back to the appropriate context.
The PL has had big names managing such as Wenger, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Klopp. But Mourinho did a disastrous job and contributed nothing to the strength of the league, Pelligrini's team has consistently under performed to shocking levels, LVG has been crap and Klopp has only just arrived.
No idea who that first one is at all. There's no point me answering the second question because if I told you his name there is no proof I didn't wikipedia it.
I forgot Wenger but Arsenal are always the same.
I can't believe you people in the last page have argued:
a) Teams in the Premier League haven't got access to more players
b) Mourinho isn't seen as one of the world's greatest managers
c) I need to know who Ralph Hasenhüttl is to have an opinion on anything.
d) The Golden Boy means nothing if Anderson won it (ten years ago?)
a) Teams in the Premier League haven't got access to more players
b) Mourinho isn't seen as one of the world's greatest managers
c) I need to know who Ralph Hasenhüttl is to have an opinion on anything.
d) The Golden Boy means nothing if Anderson won it (ten years ago?)
I'm going to contribute to this discussion by saying that I don't think United would win a two legged affair against 6th place in Spain (Bilbao), Italy (Milan) and we'd struggle against the 6th place German side too (Mainz)...
And with that, I'm going to disappear into the night.
And with that, I'm going to disappear into the night.
Yes you can't use the Golden Boy because Anderson won it.
WTF is going on.
Way not to answer any questions again. Well done. I like the passive aggressiveness, nice touch.
Of course you don't know who Hasenhüttl is, why would you care? He hasn't won an award 10 years ago, after all. Just goes to show how well positioned you are to judge the quality of managers in the Bundesliga.
Golden Boy winners -
Rooney
Messi
Fabregas
Aguero
Anderson
Pato
Gotze
Isco
Pogba
Sterling
Martial
Clearly means nothing.
Rooney
Messi
Fabregas
Aguero
Anderson
Pato
Gotze
Isco
Pogba
Sterling
Martial
Clearly means nothing.
The Champions League is more than an award!
You're in a thread comparing managers in two leagues and you don't know which managers are doing a great job in one of the two leagues. Your basis appears weak.
You honestly don't think Man United would beat Mainz or Milan?
Yeah, it's crazy how the league that has Sterling and Martial is weaker than the one that has Messi and Ronaldo. Shocking.
I wouldn't say it means nothing but im sure i could easily produce a more or equally impressive list of players that haven't won it.