The relative strength of the Premier League

Ok. And just so we can continue this discussion how did you decide how close they are? Performance in the French national team?

Performances in the league and the regularity of the performances.
 
How can you compare someone's performance in Ligue 1 against someone performing in the premier league? The standard of the Premier League is a lot higher.
They did play in Ligue 1 before...you must be wumming
 
How can you compare someone's performance in Ligue 1 against someone performing in the premier league? The standard of the Premier League is a lot higher.

They all played in Ligue 1 ?
 
@Twigginater Barca played 60 games last season, Real 59, Atletico 56.

Chelsea were the closest PL team with 54.

At some point, having been so wrong on so many things throughout the years, you really just have to take a step back and think to yourself "am I clueless?" *

* the answer is yes.
they also had a winter break and play in far less competitive leagues, terrible comparison
 
Haven't English clubs relatively dominated their German counterparts in recent years? Everton beat Wolfsburg 6-1 on aggregate last season, then they knock us out and they're better than us?
Again, you dismiss the result that goes the other way but happily use the one in England's favour as indicator. Spanish teams I believe have dominated European football for quite a while.
 
they also had a winter break and play in far less competitive leagues, terrible comparison
Maybe you should actually read the thread, seeing as I wasn't making a 'comparison', I was pointing out that Spanish teams do play as many, if not more games than PL teams, something Twigginater claimed otherwise to. And that's ignoring your daft 'less competitive' comment.
 
Again, you dismiss the result that goes the other way but happily use the one in England's favour as indicator. Spanish teams I believe have dominated European football for quite a while.


Well no I don't deny that the results of Barce/Real and Bayern are better than the best of the prem. I think as soon as they joined our league they'd struggle more, but that's not the point of this thread. We're looking at other teams.
 
Anyone who thinks la liga, bundesligue, serie a... feck it, if anyone thinks any other league in elite football is harder than the prem, needs to lay off the crack pipe.

Funny how all managers that come to these shores moans about the fixture list, competitiveness and pile up around xmas, how it is a detriment to our league and national team.
 
Maybe you should actually read the thread, seeing as I wasn't making a 'comparison', I was pointing out that Spanish teams do play as many, if not more games than PL teams, something Twigginater claimed otherwise to. And that's ignoring your daft 'less competitive' comment.
I have read the thread, your stats bear no relevance as they are incomparable.stop getting so emotional and read my post.
 
Anyone who thinks la liga, bundesligue, serie a... feck it, if anyone thinks any other league in elite football is harder than the prem, needs to lay off the crack pipe.

Funny how all managers that come to these shores moans about the fixture list, competitiveness and pile up around xmas, how it is a detriment to our league and national team.

Also is a great excuse for their shortcomings.
 
Daniel Carrico couldn't get a game for Reading when they were in the premier league despite them being shit & having no decent defenders.
He then went to Sevilla, played nearly every game & won the Europa League.
This means that La Liga is shit & Adrian Mariappa could play for Barcelona.
 
They all played in Ligue 1 ?

So for example if I was to look at Rayo's squad at the moment who have three first team players (started last game) who have previously played in the premier league. I could draw analysis from that and compare the La Liga's squad to a relative team in the Premier League that would be ok?
 
they also had a winter break and play in far less competitive leagues, terrible comparison

They have a week break and then play Weekend/Weekday through January and to the middle of February.
 
they also had a winter break and play in far less competitive leagues, terrible comparison
La Liga had 4 more extra rest than PL in xmas. Big deal. Arsenal had one week to rest before facing Barca who had 2 away games in 5 days before that match.
 
Anyone who thinks la liga, bundesligue, serie a... feck it, if anyone thinks any other league in elite football is harder than the prem, needs to lay off the crack pipe.
You were exactly what this thread needed :lol:
 
Oh come on pal, that's just lame.

I can guarantee that 90% of foreign managers who come to these shores have gone on record to have a whinge, no smoke without fire.

Not really. It can be thrown about a few ways. Players have gone to Serie A from the Premier League and have stated they have never worked so hard as they have in Serie A, Thierry Henry went to La Liga and said he has never had to run so much in England in comparison to La Liga.
 
Haven't English clubs relatively dominated their German counterparts in recent years? Everton beat Wolfsburg 6-1 on aggregate last season, then they knock us out and they're better than us?

I'm not sure, but I think English teams might indeed have the upper hand in the head-to-head records (and if they do, it'll likely be close anyway). However, in previous posts you dismissed similar claims on fair grounds: because of the nature of cup competitions and the relatively small sample size of a single match-up in a single edition - now you're bringing it up because it suits your argument... yet you seem to dismiss or at least neglect the evidence of European coefficients, which paints the much broader picture of a 5-year trend spread out over 6 or 7 teams' performances in each of those years and which hence provides a bigger sample size to base one's claims upon - as far as teams in the top half of the table go, anyway.
 
Well no I don't deny that the results of Barce/Real and Bayern are better than the best of the prem. I think as soon as they joined our league they'd struggle more, but that's not the point of this thread. We're looking at other teams.
And they are doing better too most of the time.

Do you think Barca, Bayern and Real would win Premier League BTW? (just testing delusion level here).
 
Not really. It can be thrown about a few ways. Players have gone to Serie A from the Premier League and have stated they have never worked so hard as they have in Serie A, Thierry Henry went to La Liga and said he has never had to run so much in England.
It's the same everywhere. They all say what the press wants to hear.
 
I'm not sure, but I think English teams might indeed have the upper hand in the head-to-head records (and if they do, it'll likely be close anyway). However, in previous posts you dismissed similar claims on fair grounds: because of the nature of cup competitions and the relatively small sample size of a single match-up in a single edition - now you're bringing it up because it suits your argument... yet you seem to dismiss or at least neglect the evidence of European coefficients, which paints the much broader picture of a 5-year trend spread out over 6 or 7 teams' performances in each of those years and which hence provides a bigger sample size to base one's claims upon - as far as teams in the top half of the table go, anyway.

No! I only brought it up to depute the claims of the debate. I certainly didn't raise it to prove the premier leauge is better, I'm just saying that I don't accept that argument and poking holes in the logic.
 
And they are doing better too most of the time.

Do you think Barca, Bayern and Real would win Premier League BTW? (just testing delusion level here).

Originally? Yes.

Within two years they'd be brought back down to the level of everyone else.
 
So for example if I was to look at Rayo's squad at the moment who have three first team players (started last game) who have previously played in the premier league. I could draw analysis from that and compare the La Liga's squad to a relative team in the Premier League that would be ok?

Yeah but don't forget Bebe and Manucho are just squad players and not important to them plus they did not really play in PL because they found themselves in team too strong to play. It's like saying PL is shite because Delofeu is doing well here and did not play in Spain.
 
Thanks for changing the name back Mods.

I noticed someone changed it to have a go at me, it got one laugh I think and then the thread carried on. Whoever changed it back,thank-you, whoever edited it , I have no idea what you were trying to accomplish.
 
So for example if I was to look at Rayo's squad at the moment who have three first team players (started last game) who have previously played in the premier league. I could draw analysis from that and compare the La Liga's squad to a relative team in the Premier League that would be ok?

I didn't compared Aston Villa to Troyes because I don't think that I'm able to compare them accurately, but I can say that Aston Villa have a mix of poor players and some talented ones like Amavi, I also know that someone like Ayew is a bottom half player in France while Corentin Jean is a legitimate talent who will play for Monaco next season.
 
Yeah but don't forget Bebe and Manucho are just squad players and not important to them plus they did not really play in PL because they found themselves in team too strong to play. It's like saying PL is shite because Delofeu is doing well here and did not play in Spain.

Manucho couldn't get in the Hull squad to be fair.

But yeah, Manucho, Bebe and Carlos (on loan from Villa) all started this weekend in La Liga for Rayo. Pablo Hernandez is in their squad as well. Castro used to play for villa.
 
:lol: The delusion level is extreme.

As soon as they were in a harder league and had to share finances fairly with other teams they'd lose a massive advantage. Someone like Real would suddenly not be able to hoover up the best players in the prem, and other teams could compete with them more fairly. I think after two years they'd certainly find it harder.
 
I didn't compared Aston Villa to Troyes because I don't think that I'm able to compare them accurately, but I can say that Aston Villa have a mix of poor players and some talented ones like Amavi, I also know that someone like Ayew is a bottom half player in France while Corentin Jean is a legitimate talent who will play for Monaco next season.

I'm going to stop you there because I'm pretty sure Villa have exactly 0 talented players. :lol: