So having more money by just being in the PL would suddenly make them unable to buy the players they are able to buy right now?
The relative strength of the Premier League
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So having more money by just being in the PL would suddenly make them unable to buy the players they are able to buy right now?
I'm going to stop you there because I'm pretty sure Villa have exactly 0 talented players.
I think that Amavi and Adama Traoré have enough potential to be good players but you are not going to see that, since the club is mismanaged.
Ighalo scored 12 goals in 3 seasons in La Liga. He has got 14 goals in the premier league this season already. Anderweireld was a flop at Atletico but has been great for Spurs and also Southampton before. Not saying that proves anything. But that comparisons like these don't mean much.
His scenario don't make any sense, if those teams join the league and dominates for the 2 first years, they will effectively take the money from the english teams hands, they will have more money while the english teams will have less.
They'd just have more money to hoover up the talent in Germany/Spain, no?
Would they have more money in the premier league? Recently both Barce's and Real's television revenue got them 100 million, meanwhile United got 90 million two years ago. I'm sure they've both increased since then, but their revenue would be somewhat similar, just all the other clubs in the league would be joining them (and barcelona's wage bill is at almost 75% which would be one of the highest in the league)
In the scenario I imagined that they would be magically transported to England. So there would be no advantage for German/Spain talents to move there.
How would that happen exactly? Messi is going to turn into Hazard all of a sudden? All their superior players will just decide to play worse?
Don't understand what you mean by this?? I mean Bayern for example have been incredibly well run and make excellent transfers so why would having more money bring them down to everyone elses level?
The tv money they get would be doubled if they were in England (I think the new deal means we get like £150m?)
This could actually have been a decent thread that added some value if it wasn't started by a "EPL Rulezz" bloke.
Obviously there would be a lot of squad turnover and I do not feel they would have the pick of the players that they do now. I do think at 30 Messi's powers might be waning, but I suppose he's been magic so far so who knows what will happen to him.
So who are these players on Lewandowski's and Götze's level that those clubs were able to keep?
Here's an analogy of what you are doing:
My car is from the UK, so it must be great. I don't know any other cars, but they must be shit because I don't know them.
So you learned how to spell Mainz, I guess that's a huge step forward.
Not to you though it seems.
Don't understand what you mean by this?? I mean Bayern for example have been incredibly well run and make excellent transfers so why would having more money bring them down to everyone elses level?
The tv money they get would be doubled if they were in England (I think the new deal means we get like £150m?)
Bayern for example wouldn't be able to pick up Lewandowski and Gotze as easily as they wouldn't be able to raid their own league as easily.
The point of the poster was to highlight how much better the other top teams are. Barca are miles better than anything English football has to offer ATM.
I've got no idea what that means.
Don't understand what you mean by this?? I mean Bayern for example have been incredibly well run and make excellent transfers so why would having more money bring them down to everyone elses level?
The tv money they get would be doubled if they were in England (I think the new deal means we get like £150m?)
Yes they probably are.
My point was to highlight that in a league where they absolutely dominate financially they are effectively able to hold that league to ransom. They have the pick of the players from that league (and as a result can improve to the point where they can pick players from other leagues)
Despite that, Barcelona currently have a ridiculously high wage turnover. I think that it'd be harder for them to dominate a league over here.
Says it all really, when I lived out there I was stunned at how poorly other teams are treated, it's akin to holding a grand national with two thoroughbreds and the rest of the paddock being donkeys.
Why would they not be able to sign Lewandowski on a free transfer or activate Gotze's release clause though? If they were winning titles in the PL and being highly competitive in the CL these players would still be attracted to the club
Lewandowski chose to not re-sign no one can do anything about that, while Gotze had a clause.
Spain is clearly the best league around in terms of quality. It's top teams are comfortably the best, and the rest of the league is just as strong as the PL from what I've seen.
The Premier League is also a very strong league, which is weaker than it used to be, with its top teams having really dropped a few levels, and the rest of the league improving.
The Premier League is also a very strong league, which is weaker than it used to be, with its top teams having really dropped a few levels, and the rest of the league improving.
It's not the case anymore.
I don't insult you, I mock you. I did insult him though, I'll give myself a warning.
At last I may add, the league was fraudulent until last years ruling
Ban would be better, you always attack posters, poor form from a red cafe stalwart
Because the big boys can mostly still get whoever they want from the rest of the league.
Holding a team off for one summer before they eventually get their man isn't really holding on to the player.
Dortmund got 32 million for Gotze. Being compensated for your player is part of losing the player to the bigger team.
Error in comprehension.
Being english doesn't prevent a team from buying Dortmund players. All the english teams could've gotten them, it's not like they had a clause in their contracts stating "only Bundesliga teams are allowed to buy you or make you a contract offer." Also, Bayern bought exactly 2 Dortmund players in the last 5 years (i.e. since people started to notice Dortmund abroad).
What kept all the other teams from buying Costa, Vidal, Coman etc.? What would keep Bayern, Real or Barca from buying the best spanish, german, brazilian etc. players if they were part of the EPL? How does anything you say make sense?
Being English helps English teams to buy players from England. Being German helped Bayern get the best players from Dortmund.
I don't agree with their system of distributing money.two horse race each year,I would say the quality of competition is inferior to our own.
But A) Barring this year of top-end shittyness, the Premier League almost always has a "two horse race each year". Used to be Arsenal and United. Then Chelsea and United. Then City and United. Only one year had three good teams at the top (13/14) as did Spain in the exact same season. And finally this season, where everyone seems to be trying to prove who can be the worst title chasers on the planet.
B) "Amount" of competition is lower since the top teams are better. Quality of teams, though, is better and hence the strength of the league is greater.
I mean when you look at Barcelonas first team how many have been taken from La Liga? Rakitic, Bravo, Alba and Alves?
I don't see how Barcelona taking Rakitic and Alves from Sevilla is different from us taking Shaw and Schneiderlin from Southampton
Right... that's not a point in any way. What kept english teams from triggering Götze's release clause and giving him a shitload of money? What would keep an EPL-Bayern from it? The fact that he was german? And what does that have to do with Lewandowski (he's polish, just gonna add this piece of info)?
The reason the big clubs in spain and germany don't buy english players is their horrible value for money ratio.
Because it is much easier for a player to stay in a country they are already playing than to move abroad and learn a new culture?
Aww, look at those adorable mocks <3
It's not. If United or City want players from Southampton, West Brom, Swansea etc they'll get them. Heck, when we were at our best we took Arsenal's captain ffs.
That's a load of rubbish. They are professional footballers, would earn millions upon millions, get translator's and everything. It's not like England is another planet, most people speak the language already. Götze actually lived in the US for a while when his father worked there, so his english is fluent. I'm sure Lewandwoski speaks it as well.
Why is it that so many spanish players don't mind playing in the EPL even though it's such a strange and foreign culture and country? Why would EPL-Barca or Real not get those players?
Lewandowski and Gotze are really bad examples, Dortmund refused the money and chose to let him go for nothing and Bayern triggered Gotze's clause, Bayern's financial power had nothing to do with those deals.
On the other hand Liverpool used their financial strength on Southampton, United bought Arsenal's and Tottenham's best players with offers that they couldn't refuse, City bullied Liverpool. Lately only Everton told Chelsea to do one.