The relative strength of the Premier League
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Someone should make your tagline "comfortably always wrong".
Are you aware how fecking close Liverpool is right now? Because ...
... sounds a bit dangerous considering that Liverpool is only 3 points behind United with a game in hand.
Sigh.
If anything United being sixth furthers my point but have your fun. The adults will be back in this thread soon enough.
Yea, United being shit really showcases how strong the league is.
You're literally always wrong.
A Spanish team having 5/6 good foreigners means they can fill the rest of the team/squad with pretty decent local players with minimum cost without too much of a drop in quality. On the other hand English teams cannot do so because quite frankly England just aren't very good in producing local talents. Hence they need the extra money to fill the team with more foreigners or else there will be a big drop in quality. A small country like Uruguay with a population of 3.3 million producing more top class players than much bigger nations shows not all countries are at a level playing field in terms of producing talent. And there is a big gap between England and Spain/Germany imo. But english clubs have money so it is not a problem that cannot be solved for them.
Is that not because englands top flight is better and thus harder to break into maybe?
Hard to say but i don't think so. I don't think that singular factors are responsible for circumstances in football. We do know Germany and Spain are better at developing players and England have more money. Beyond that trying to prove one point or the other is like running around in circles. The only way to find out is to put them all in the same league.
Thankfully I don't think that will ever happen!
You have got to be wumming. Jesus wept.
"Our english players are a bit shit because the league is so great because our teams aren't good."
I think we can all agree this thread was a rip roaring success from Twigginator from start to finish and he was proven to be correct on so many things throughout. Let's summarise.
To conclude, lol @ Twigginator.
Oh... ok I mean not the best of starts cause we're actually uncomfortably sixth now, but we can look past this minor mishap.
Ok he didn't actually ever get to the premise but it's the thought that counts I guess.
Thinking Spanish teams play less games and have less teams than the PL is a bit of a misstep but don't worry about it.
Again ... I mean ... we have, really recently. Hmm, this isn't going as well for Twigginator as I'd hoped.
Wait, what? if you're the best at something you can't improve any more? I.. ok..
Shocked that Spanish poster doesn't know Sunderland players despite not really knowing any German/Spanish players. FFS, this is getting bad now. I had such high hopes.
They were posted about how great it was. Jesus, this is derriculous.
To conclude, lol @ Twigginator.
Do you ever?
Isn't a common argument against Bayern in the CL that they are loosing steam after the winter break because their games are not challenging enough in the Bundesliga? Decide people, decide!
You do realize that a season in Germany has 34 games, do you? So starting 13 games at best in a team which has VERY injury prone wingers, or at least had until Coman and Costa, isn't exactly being "near the first team". In and out of the the first team would mean you are a genuine option if everyone is fit, at least for me. He never even got near that.
I thoroughly recommend that everyone reads this thread. In fact, it well and truly belongs in the classics. Thank you, Twiggy lad.
This is a team that is currently and comfortably first in the league:
Schmeichel, Fuchs, Morgan, Huth, Simpson, Drinkwater, Kante, Mahrez, Albrighton,Okazaki, Vardy
This team is currently first in La Liga:
Bravo, Alba, Pique, Mascherano, Alves, Rakitic, Busquets, Iniesta, Suarez, Messi, Neymar
And this team leads Bundesliga:
Neuer, Alaba, Boateng, Martinez, Lahm, Alonso, Vidal, Costa, Muller, Robben, Lewandowski (probably not their best team)
Do you think any of Leicester's players would get into those teams? And they're top by as many points as Bayern are in Germany.
Schmeichel, Fuchs, Morgan, Huth, Simpson, Drinkwater, Kante, Mahrez, Albrighton,Okazaki, Vardy
This team is currently first in La Liga:
Bravo, Alba, Pique, Mascherano, Alves, Rakitic, Busquets, Iniesta, Suarez, Messi, Neymar
And this team leads Bundesliga:
Neuer, Alaba, Boateng, Martinez, Lahm, Alonso, Vidal, Costa, Muller, Robben, Lewandowski (probably not their best team)
Do you think any of Leicester's players would get into those teams? And they're top by as many points as Bayern are in Germany.
BrilliantI don't know how anyone could ever come to conclusion that Shaqiri played in most Bayern games. He came on as a late sub in a lot of them to rest Robben and Ribery who were already circa 30 at the time, at no point did it look likely he'd ever become a first team player there.
I think we could easily find numerous squad players from top 4 English sides who moved on to mid-table Spanish and German teams. Probably dozens of them.
Just to add to that,
This is Chelsea, not so long back 16th in the PL table.
-----------Courtois-------------------
Ivanovic-Terry-Zouma-Asspillaguetta
---------Fabregas--Matic-------------
William----Oscar/Pedro------Hazard
--------------Costa-------------------
That for me tells you all about the PL. Which other league has such a brilliant 16th placed side?
Do you suggest it's not exactly telling much to compare randomly selected league places, or, to be specific, the teams at them, against each other? Like, a seriously underperforming Manchester United against a ridicoulusly overperforming Mainz or a Sevilla which is an actual regular contender for the 5th place?
Chelsea springs to mind. The amount of squad players they have thrown all over Europe is immense.
Hernandez at Man Utd is another example.
I don't think he was being serious. It's such flawed logic to look at things that way - the fact that a team like United, with supposedly world class players/talent throughout their squad, currently sits in 6th place tells you more about how shit they are than about the strength of other leagues.
Or such an average leader like the one mentioned above?
No, I think this is completely logical. A great team is 16th. That means everyone else is superawesometacular.
Can't disagree with that really.
I think we need an example from Ekstraklasa to ratify that point. After all I've learned that it's the most competitivestest and bestest league.
currently at least one Bundesliga fan laughing his ass off.
They are 6th though and consonantski was benched.
They're current champions and were last in the league for a while. Currently sitting comfortably fifth.
Wisła Kraków who are historically a big club and were top 3 challengers last season are currently second from bottom. Śląsk Wrocław who finished 3rd last season are now 3rd but from the bottom. Górnik Zabrze who are the most decorated Polish club are rock bottom. First in the league are Piast Gliwice who were fighting for survival last season and behind their backs are Cracovia who finished in bottom half last season.
I will tell you one more thing - after 30 games our league is divided into two divisions with points being sliced by half. So technically even though Legia are currently 15 points ahead of Lech Poznań and 20 ahead of Lechia Gdańsk, they could still win the league because the gap will be cut down to 7 and 10 respectively. Even Wisła Kraków who are on mere 25 points would have 12 now with 13 points gap to Legia.
Definitely the most competitive league in Europe right now thus the best one. I don't get how people outside of Poland can watch terrible abysmal leagues with only 2-3 title contenders.
Since we're talking Ekstraklasa now I'd just like to modestly point out that I've already proven that Ekstraklasa > EPL in post #259 on page 7.
Great post. This thread is the perfect example if why researching is needed when talking about something really vast.
Sorry you're right, I was way off when he was in the first team because he only was involved in over half of the Bundesliga games.
Honestly if you lot stopped trying to fall over yourselves to make me look stupid by picking out key words we might have a good debate.
Where has all this rubbish about the polish league come from? It's a competitive league. That doesn't mean it's any good.
He means that he mainly watches the bundesliga. Like we do with the PL
Fair enough. What an odd way of stating it but it is his second language I assume.
Good question. I think it's safe to say that the top of the league in each country shows that it is quite significantly worse in the premier league at the moment.
However, as I've said it'd be interesting to do it further down the league when you've got European powerhouses doing poorly, while relatively weak teams in Spain and Germany are starting to flourish.
It doesn't help of course that even teams like Dortmund are unable to keep their best players from Bayern whereas teams like Everton, West Brom and Leicester are able to hold onto their best players.
Quite a myth. Holding on to a player a season longer isn't actually that big a deal. Liverpool couldn't hold on to Sterling forget WBA holding on to anyone.
How... How is that a myth?
Liverpool got 50 million for Sterling.
Edit: Holding onto a player isn't a big deal?
I feel like I've swallowed crazy pills sometimes.