The Redcafe Decades Draft Tournament

Tarzan, enough said. Antonio Roma

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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso 12. Roma
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan 12. A. Ferguson
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11. Szymaniak 12. Schmeichel
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa 12. Carrick
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves 11. Amoros 12. Mauro Ramos
 
Brwned said:
Gonna put his name in white because it's a lovely surprise pick.

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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan 12. A. Ferguson
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11. Szymaniak 12. Schmeichel
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa 12. Yaya Toure
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves 11. Amoros 12. Mauro Ramos
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Lovely shirt.
 
He was phenomenal. Called Chiquito because he was small, but had a great leap on him. He was also a former basketball player so he brought certain techniques into goalkeeping related to how to block and not give away a rebound. If the shot was too strong he would block it downwars and pick it after it bounced off the ground, if there was an oncoming striker who could make that dangerus he would bounce it to a side and literally look like a basketball player going sideways while bouncing the ball. Doesn't sound too impressive but he later became a coach and about 80% of goalkeeping time in Uruguayan nets has been people he trained (not Muslera, unfortunately, there's a rebound conceder!).​
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He had the dream debut, not dissimilar to Casillas' wonderkid debut season. Basically, Peñarol had played two semifinals versus Santos and despite being ahead on GD and away goals at the time you had a third game in neutral ground. Three days before, Maidana (a legendary keeper himself and also the NT keeper) had a contract dispute with the club. He played hardball with Santos' game in mind. The club had just got rid of Sasía (the Uruguayan Jimmy Hill) and adopted a hardline stance.​
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Every Peñarol fan was shitting himself at the prospect of facing Pelé without Maidana in nets. Chiquito's debut. Blinder, win, no one ever asked about Maidana again, including the NT coach.​
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On the famous Pelé move around him, Pelé himself told him "People say it was genius, but they don't realise that's exactly what was needed against you". Incidentally, that goal is referred to as the greatest not scored goal ever, but Pelé himself reckoned that was a top-left 30-yarder Mazurkiewicz somehow turned over the bar a couple of years earlier.​
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Died last year :( Here's to you Chiquito!​
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AldoRaine18 said:
One proper superstar from the 30s still knocking about. Wish I could pick him but I need a GK.

And seems like VP has gone offline. If so then that would be curtains for today.
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I say two - both in the same position of course. Anyway, here's my team.

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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer 12. Mazurkiewicz
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso 12. Roma
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan 12. A. Ferguson
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11. Szymaniak 12. Schmeichel
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger 12. Joya
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa 12. Yaya Toure
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves 11. Amoros 12. Mauro Ramos
 
I don't think that's a good way to use Toure to be honest. To perform in that role he needs to show a lot of discipline and work rate which he hasn't done at all at his time in City. Most of the time he's seen jogging around waiting for someone to win the ball back and give it to him. Whatever the reason, that is a critical position as you would likely be up against an all time great AM and you can get ripped with him in that role.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
I don't think that's a good way to use Toure to be honest. To perform in that role he needs to show a lot of discipline and work rate which he hasn't done at all at his time in City. Most of the time he's seen jogging around waiting for someone to win the ball back and give it to him. Whatever the reason, that is a critical position as you would likely be up against an all time great AM and you can get ripped with him in that role.
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Half the people I talk to say this. Why do people erase his time at Barca from their memory?! Even if for some strange reason you're saying he wasn't that great at Barca, does it not take discipline to play at centre back like he did in a CL semi and final?

 
Brwned said:
I say two - both in the same position of course.

One quick question about my team, 'tis all I'll ask.
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I'd see him as Barca reject Yaya doing the dirty work to a good standard, which I guess is all you are looking for.

Just seeing his name next to those two is revolting. I'd emphasise the point that the idea is to give Duncan freedom, that's the most compelling thing I found in your argument. It's also likely to make people happy to remember the pecking order and that he is as close to a legend as City fans can hope for from these plastic years. It actually ends up making you warm and fuzzy when you look at it in that "compare legends" way.
 
Brwned said:
Half the people I talk to say this. Why do people erase his time at Barca from their memory?! Even if for some strange reason you're saying he wasn't that great at Barca, does it not take discipline to play at centre back like he did in a CL semi and final?
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I am not erasing that at all, but you can not erase his time at City either which is greater than his time at Barca. Also at his best at barca he was a part of Pep's tiki taka where every single player on the pitch is asked to work his socks off, it doesn't matter if you are Messi or Iniesta. He could not have started in the team if he didn't put that much effort so he did. Add to that as I said that whole team pressed the opposition relentlessly for 90 minutes so at no point in time was a player isolated required to get the ball back on his own. I don't see that ethic in your team at all. When Charlton bombs forward, you could easily be outnumbered by the opposition and at that point Toure is not really going that put that effort he did in that very very special system that has made so many players (read mascherano) perform beyond their abilities. If you had the same Barca side it could have been accepted that he'd do that, not with 11 randomers he's never played with or has trained with to perform that sort of a defensive job.
 
Aldo does make some good points Brwned. Even if you took his 90-minute long performances at Barca as his peak, it is fair to say he wasn't ever landed with the role of carrying a midfield solely on his shoulders defensively. Maybe Duncan isn't as freed up as you would have wanted.
 
When Guardiola came Toure was gradually phased out of the team because Busquets was more suited to this tiki-taka approach that sees the team dominate 70% possession a game. Toure was at his best under Rijkaard where he was tasked with doing the bulk of the defensive work in a side that still featured Ronaldinho and co. And you won't find a more hard-working attacking midfielder in the draft than W'or Bobby.
 
Disagree there mate. His best season at Barca was 08-09 which was Pep's first season and that was when he made a great midfield with the two Spaniards. Before that the team was largely in disarray due to dressing room issues and I cannot call that as Toure's best at Barca. Overall his peak extends from that season till his time at City, half of which at least he has spent jogging around the park not giving a feck and the other half under a tactic that is literally impossible to replicate in a fantasy draft.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Most of the time he's seen jogging around waiting for someone to win the ball back and give it to him. Whatever the reason, that is a critical position as you would likely be up against an all time great AM and you can get ripped with him in that role.
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Sounds like Pirlo :nervous:
 
feck it. If you're all saying that I'd like to change my pick.
 
No problem with Toure in that position. His three years anchoring that great Barcelona midfield where he performed a positionally disciplined role all the while offering physical strength and aerial prowess suggests he could do a job alongside Edwards.
 
Brwned said:
feck it. If you're all saying that I'd like to change my pick.
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I dont have a problem with it either, I thought Schweinsteiger was the better fit but Toure is fine I think
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Yeah sort of. I've always viewed Yaya as a luxury player who can do things few other can but is not the foremost necessary to make the team work.
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I meant this part mate - "that is a critical position as you would likely be up against an all time great AM and you can get ripped with him in that role."

Basically that you could say that about Pirlo in my team which doesn't bode well!
 
Brwned said:
feck it. If you're all saying that I'd like to change my pick.
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That is just my two cents mate. If you come against a Maradona or a Platini with yaya in that role, it would be very difficult for me to imagine him doing a job on them. Yeah I know no one can really "stop" these players but he would probably have the least effect on them out of most of the DMs picked.
 
Theon said:
I meant this part mate - "that is a critical position as you would likely be up against an all time great AM and you can get ripped with him in that role."

Basically that you could say that about Pirlo in my team which doesn't bode well!
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Well that is why Pirlo has always required 2 workhorses to take care of the threats while he gets the space he needs. He has never been the most responsible guy for defensive duties in his team.
 
Brwned said:
feck it. If you're all saying that I'd like to change my pick.
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I think you can ride it for one game but all in all can't claim Duncan is freed up and Toure holding almost by himself. Don't think you meant that but more the freedom a box-to-box player requires and if the box-to-box player has his head screwed on (the case here) it should never be the case that it's all down to Yaya.

I'd say that third man means that, while Charlton can contribute defensively, you don't want to subdue him by giving him that sort of responsibility nor do you want Dunc to be your primary defensive man so his attacking contribution can come to the fore.

That I buy, no probs. Of course, if it's Maradona Yaya will need a new one, but don't think you had any options that could do much about that!
 
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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer​
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva​
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard​
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto​
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni​
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito​
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish​
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata​
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta 12. Lloris​
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer 12. Mazurkiewicz​
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso 12. Roma​
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan 12. A. Ferguson​
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11. Szymaniak 12. Schmeichel​
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger 12. Joya​
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa 12. Yaya Toure​
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves 11. Amoros 12. Mauro Ramos​
 
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