Yeah I had Mata and two other similar alternatives so I was always sure that one of them would last all the way. Not sure why I picked Mata before Sivori but it went well.
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Yeah I had Mata and two other similar alternatives so I was always sure that one of them would last all the way. Not sure why I picked Mata before Sivori but it went well.
I was very close to picking Sivori. Should have, just to have sweet revenge.
I had a reserve for Sivori but glad I did not have to go that way.
My post Falcao debacle plan worked out quite well. This is exactly what came out of the drawing board (with picks in green) and although some the ordering changed I reckon the final outcome turned out better than I even planned for.
Don't know what I was thinking relying on an 80s chap for the left flank. Part of it was me wanting to pick Banks early just to get people scrambling for keepers and 30s guys and teach them a lesson for that Falcao-Facchetti-Redondo triple blow
Note: Don't worry about the 70s mentions, I have Cutch's pick and he actually run through all those before deciding. Not exactly hidden gems anyway.
Don't know what I was thinking relying on an 80s chap for the left flank. Part of it was me wanting to pick Banks early just to get people scrambling for keepers and 30s guys and teach them a lesson for that Falcao-Facchetti-Redondo triple blow
Note: Don't worry about the 70s mentions, I have Cutch's pick and he actually run through all those before deciding. Not exactly hidden gems anyway.
And there I was, being told I couldn't swap Campbell for Montero even when the only manager affected agreed to it
It shouldn't be done, I'd still say the same. Completely defeats the point of picking a player without knowing if it would work or not in the eyes of others.
I hadn't even got feedback nor asked for it, it was purely a sentimental thing as Campbell was by all means the right choice. I simply can't put Hierro in midfield with Montero and Desailly in defence. Two lefties who always played on the left side!
I get your point though and am glad Fergus has sorted my issue out anyway
I get your point though and am glad Fergus has sorted my issue out anyway
I hadn't even got feedback nor asked for it, it was purely a sentimental thing as Campbell was by all means the right choice. I simply can't put Hierro in midfield with Montero and Desailly in defence. Two lefties who always played on the left side!
I get your point though and am glad Fergus has sorted my issue out anyway
Indeed. Making a change after getting poor feedback is quite poor form. You just need to go with what you have. Stob went with Gerrard and Veron in the last one after being told it won't work just like every other time people have gone in with their teams whatever the feedback is, it is just the right thing to do.
Should have mentioned it in the rules, just thought it was obvious that once you get a player you have to go with him.
Brwned, mate, you are putting me in a tough situation here and I don't wanna sound a petty guy making calls over small issues, but it is what the game is about and I cannot allow changing a player in this way. Really sorry.
Brwned, mate, you are putting me in a tough situation here and I don't wanna sound a petty guy making calls over small issues, but it is what the game is about and I cannot allow changing a player in this way. Really sorry.
It's no different to getting feedback before your pick which everyone does so I see it as a complete non-issue. It affected no-one in the time it was done, the only difference is I rushed my pick to stop things from getting held up instead of waiting for Pat_Mustard to come back online and give me a bit of feedback. If you want to strictly adhere to the rules then tell everyone they can't ask anyone for opinions on any of their players until after they're picked. Fun.
We've had two players changed already, both of which were changed within a similar timeframe and no-one made an issue out of it so I'm not arsed here. If you feel it's necessary you can do as you like.
We've had two players changed already, both of which were changed within a similar timeframe and no-one made an issue out of it so I'm not arsed here. If you feel it's necessary you can do as you like.
It is different. Once you make a pick in the game thread you announce you get the player. You could have asked for Yaya's feedback via PMs before picking like everyone else does, but once you have picked you need to go with it man. Again I really don't want to sound like a dictator forcing things, I don't but this isn't the first time we are doing this and not only is this a very poor precedent, as I said it is sort of ruining the game.
If you are referring to Theon, he changed it within seconds and it had nothing to do with people not receiving it well. Anto's as well and even then he didn't do it.
Please I request you, don't make this more difficult for me because if you go ahead right now, every single manager who has picked any player throughout this draft is entitled to change it. It will turn into a complete mess.
I'm talking about Paceme changing his keeper pick just earlier today. It wasn't an issue.
Thing is it wasn't based on bad feedback. He didn't draw a formation and ask everyone if they agree with it and changed it according to the answer.
I'm the last guy who would try to force someone just because I started the thread, that isn't the point. It isn't the right thing to do and it is not just me. I've received a PM from another manager who also feels this isn't right. He can name himself if he wishes to.
If you really think it is worth turning this whole exercise into a complete mess over one player, go ahead. I am not going to bicker over it any longer. If anyone else has an issue they can come forward and say it. If my word counts for anything I'd say no to it, rest is up to you and the rest of the guys.
You can see we can't suddenly have a situation where people keep changing picks all the time though.
paceme - he was moving house
Theon - no excuse really, I wasn't going to pick on it as we had been going on quite a bit (you asked me to keep it civil yourself) but anyone wanting Banks had a right to go apeshit
Fact is that slip shouldn't have been allowed in the first place. I'm all for hard-lining. You knew full well people wouldn't like Toure much, etc. but Aldo brought up some quite valid points about Barca's pressing, etc. If feedback post-pick is allowed to result in pick changes then all we can expect is people clapping at every pick and not being particularly honest. To quote you: "Fun".
Given the mitigating factor of Theon/Paceme I would be inclined to leave it to Jayvin, as he is the one affected. I reckon he will go for a striker anyway.
That said, ultimately it is Aldo's call as gamemaster.
It was based on bad feedback. The fact that feedback was received in PM (or if it was received before or after the pick) is almost entirely irrelevant. It's making a big issue over a technicality.
I apologise greatly for not respecting the integrity of this great game. My pick is Yaya Touré. What a fun game.
I apologise greatly for not respecting the integrity of this great game. My pick is Yaya Touré. What a fun game.
No different from me to be fair, no idea why you're criticising me more than him when we all have shit to do. I was extremely busy myself, not that it matters.
He was moving house. feck me.
I hope you understand where I am coming from. I don't know if I am right on wrong, just gave you my opinion. I don't want you to do anything just because I am saying it, I don't want to be the one making final call on anything here because I've not done anything to get that right.
Do what you and others feel is right. You are right that it has happened twice and shouldn't have been allowed then, but to me those two are not the same as this. Again, that is just one guy's point of view.
Do what you and others feel is right. You are right that it has happened twice and shouldn't have been allowed then, but to me those two are not the same as this. Again, that is just one guy's point of view.
Just to be clear, Aldo is referring to me. What I didn't like first and foremost was the censoring of a valid football discussion. Re: the changing picks issue I've explained my view, but I do think ultimately it is his call as gamemaster.
There has to be an authority to refer to in case of dispute and that is the gamemaster, no two ways about it in my mind (unless the gamemaster himself is involved and chooses to delegate the decision).
I wasn't censoring a football discussion, I was removing the name of an unpicked player.
It's an important technicality though. Don't start throwing your toys out of the pram, you should be good to go through and fix it when you reinforce, which you woudl need to do either way.
You know the best part of this is the drafting and the discussions. That was a good discussion and worthy of keeping on here. *** is not alien to anyone, nor a hidden gem and, if anything, anyone who could still go on to pick him deserved to get the feedback that prompted his dropping as well.
You just can't be deleting entire discussions, it's really poor Brwned and you know that.
Paceme picks Stekelenberg, the only reason he changes that is because of bad feedback - it's the same. My response?
You would call undeleting all of those posts, putting the original formation graphic back and adding Toure to the players list as throwing my toys out of the pram? Really? You?!
I don't like that this game is taken so seriously. Never have. Has nothing to do with this pick - as you can see from the paceme and Theon "issues" beforehand. You have a laugh at the idiocy of it all and you move on because it's so unimportant.
Honestly, I don't. I did what we always do - delete any unnamed players regardless of how well known they are. There was no other reason to do so. Again, I think this is all being taken a bit too seriously.
You would call undeleting all of those posts, putting the original formation graphic back and adding Toure to the players list as throwing my toys out of the pram? Really? You?!
I don't like that this game is taken so seriously. Never have. Has nothing to do with this pick - as you can see from the paceme and Theon "issues" beforehand. You have a laugh at the idiocy of it all and you move on because it's so unimportant.
Honestly, I don't. I did what we always do - delete any unnamed players regardless of how well known they are. There was no other reason to do so. Again, I think this is all being taken a bit too seriously.
You could have waited then if busy. Yours was the first and it involved a very valuable player in this draft. It shouldn't have been allowed at all, not because it affected me (as I said, it turned out for the best) but pretty much everyone around. It's just not right and shouldn't be allowed. If I were the gamemaster you would have Coluna in your team now, no two ways about it.
Once that slips you are not going to pick on someone whose pick got taken from right under his nose as he was moving house, late on in the draft, with options no longer rolling off the tongue and a total-football theme to boot. Yes, of course paceme is the last chap you could conceivably pick on here.
Just leave it, the precedent was set previously. It really isn't an issue, I was going to go for Banks, probably not the round he was taken but cest la vie.
He could have waited, it's no different. You're just using this to have a pop like you always do. We all have shit to do so it isn't relevant.
Banks was changed straightaway so didn't affect anything or any single persons picks, same with paceme.
And I'm going to stop you here Antohan because you are the one who wanted to change Campbell for Montero wayyyy after the draft has gone on, which is significantly worse than anything me or paceme did - so get to feck quoting the rules you hypocrite.
You also skipped NM's turn which is bad form.
Ok, so, stop bickering. How about that ? It's done, move on.
This is surreal. It's a game. This is the most fun part of it and this is how we're ending it - seriously? Shit happens. Move on.
Didn't know you did that. Good stuff.
"I apologise greatly for not respecting the integrity of this great game. My pick is Yaya Touré. What a fun game." looks like you are about to throw your toys out of the pram though.
Personally, I would have explained what you were about to do, asked for agreement, then done it if everyone did. Just going off, deleting everything and presenting everyone with a fait accompli was Stalinist. As said, I don't have that big an issue with the whole changing pick thing so don't come back laughing at the Stalinist comment because that is exactly what it censoring and imposing outcomes without dialogue is.
Ok, I'm Stalin. Agreed? Onwards and upwards.
Which is what I had done. I just mentioned those incidents as the two Brwned was referring to. It was Theon deciding I was more damning of his case and starting a pointless side discussion.
Sorry....but.....can't resist.
Stalinist
Stalinist
You should have moved on the moment Aldo voiced his concern with it. I did with Montero. I immediately PMd Cutch and told him it was off.
Moving on...
And seriously, feck you guys, I finally draft well and you try and taint it, when I finally have a chance...you feckers try and ruin it.
I will not have this tainted.
I will not have this tainted.
Sorry....but.....can't resist.
Stalinist
I only went into RAWK once. It wasn't pretty. I've been on here 10 years and will bite anyone's head off if they cross the line with their modding powers.
Ban me.
Dibs on Garrincha and Eusebio
Oh, I didn't quite get that part. It was not only an insult to integrity of the game but it was a gross abuse of power. Batshit crazy stuff right here.
Carlos Alberto for me please.
Forced him to play Titus Bramble.
But then, he'd argue to death that Bramble > Zidane.
But then, he'd argue to death that Bramble > Zidane.
How many left to pick? I'm looking forward to the draw!