The Redcafe Decades Draft Tournament

Horst Szymaniak
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Probably the most friendly looking mannschafter I've ever seen.
 
I think everybody knows my GK pick..

So Szymaniak gives me the option of a diamond if I need to go with that. I like the tactial flexibility I have now with the 4-2-3-1 or the diamond if things are going rough in central mid.
 
We should get a Modi thread going. Nothing beats a good Modi debate.
 
This guy is more likely to get minutes, flexible for future-proofing and also provides a marker for how good Schuster and Luis Enrique are keeping him on the bench.

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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11.Szymaniak
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves
 
I mean, that was NOT the reason. If anything I almost picked the LW because I felt bad, but I need people to wake up and smell the coffee re: my other midfielders.

I'm not lacking in midfield options, just going with the ones I think will work best subject to the game (and that may include him playing).
 
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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11.Szymaniak
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves
 
Just so everyone is clear: YOU MUST PICK TWO PLAYERS FOR EACH DECADE.

Once we reinforce we will have more than two, which is where the no more than two on the pitch rule kicks in.
 
Manuel Amoros

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World Cup winning captain - Mauro Ramos

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No real way of playing 442 without minimising Charlton's impact and I'm definitely not planning on that. If things aren't going well and I need a few quick votes in then maybe I'll go for an old-fashion United 442 (or 424!).
 
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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11.Szymaniak
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa 12. Yaya Toure
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves 11. Amoros 12. Mauro Ramos
 
You stole Cech from me at the last minute! That meant I had to take Maier as my 40s man over that other 40s United midfielder we were talking about...
 
Anto, I have to go out. Can I post my pick? I'd rather do it myself than have you do it.
 
It’s 1959 and Peñarol (founded as the Central Uruguay Railway Cricket Club) are on course to the third of five consecutive national championship wins. Following the introduction of the European Cup, the club has successfully pushed for the creation of the South American equivalent: the Copa Libertadores.

Also following a certain European example, the club decides to amass the best players from elsewhere in the continent and sign CENSORED (Eusebio his more than able deputy), which delivers the first Libertadores Cup. Real Madrid still trounce them in the Madrid leg of the Intercontinental Cup after a draw in Montevideo.

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So Peñarol go further the next year and sign a world class partner for him: JUAN JOYA. The Joya-CENSORED (i.e. Eusebio) tandem went from strength to strength over eight years and went on to deliver:
  • 6 league titles,
  • two Libertadores Cup wins,
  • two Libertadores runners-up (would have been 4 wins with GD or away goals settling things instead of a third game :annoyed:)
  • two Intercontinental Cup wins (against Benfica in 1961 and Real Madrid in 1966)
  • the 1969 Intercontinental Cup Supercup (a tournament for all former Intercontinental winners i.e. “the 60s Super Cup”)
It’s largely down to that decade that the statsmen at IFFHS worked out Peñarol was the best South American club of the 20th Century. I’d say that Peñarol side was right up there with Pelé’s Santos one, and both light-years ahead of any other the continent has produced.

Despite repeated approaches by the Uruguayan FA, neither Joya nor CENSORED accepted the invitation to play for the national team, or else the 1966 World Cup would have quite probably gone elsewhere. Instead, they both joined Ryan Giggs in the pantheon of football greats who never set foot on the world’s biggest stage.

Their destinies remained interlinked all the way to their deaths. Ironically, Joya dies a year after CENSORED, just like he joined Peñarol a year later. Despite having stayed loyal to their countries, they were mourned in Uruguay even more than in Peru and Ecuador – to the point their families decided to bury them in Montevideo, with all expenses paid by the club. A Carnival song dedicated to them went on to top the Uruguayan charts almost 40 years after they had last kicked a ball.

Damn Garrincha for not letting me reunite them again, but he’ll make up for it :drool:

Eusebio knows the big boots he is being asked to fill after seeing his Benfica side concede seven goals to Peñarol over two games. He is aware much of that (two goals + three assists) came from the man on his left wing, so he is feeling confident about living up to it with him and the Canhotinho de Ouro to rely on.

So is Carlos Alberto, the man who had some epic duels with Joya in those classic Peñarol-Santos encounters.

Some apeman was going to sit on the bench with a big bucket of water bottles just so people realise them old wingers would go for 100M+ today. I opted for Schweinsteiger as no one whose name doesn't start with R will start ahead of Joya in my side. And Best, of course.
 
You stole Cech from me at the last minute! That meant I had to take Maier as my 40s man over that other 40s United midfielder we were talking about...

I was always going to steal an 80s keeper at the last minute. You still had Neuer!
 
The Great Dane. Peter Schmeichel

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Somebody do PMs and Updates as I am out.
 
There is one player I really really HOPE gets picked. Two actually.
 
One proper superstar from the 30s still knocking about. Wish I could pick him but I need a GK.

And seems like VP has gone offline. If so then that would be curtains for today.
 
Forget the Uruguans, There are some absolute legends missing out because of the decades rule!!
 
Shit sorry lads, I've got VP's pick. Just a minute.
 
Gonna put his name in white because it's a lovely surprise pick.

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Isotope : 1. Maradona 2. Moore 3. Iniesta 4. Baggio 5. Krol 6. Gentille 7. Makélélé 8. Shevchenko 9. Coluna 10. Leandro 11. Neuer
Cutch : 1. Messi 2. Breitner 3. Nesta 4. Rivera 5. Stoitchkov 6. Gregg 7. Rummenigge 8. Alba 9. Suurbier 10. Voronin 11. M.Silva
Stobzilla : 1. Pele 2. Rivaldo 3. Keane 4. Lahm 5. Batistuta 6. Forster 7. Ruggeri 8. Shilton 9. Masopust 10. Briegel 11. Gerrard
paceme : 1. Cruyff 2. Van Basten 3. Koeman. 4. Cerezo 5. De Boer 6. Van Hanegem 7. Seedorf 8. Vasovic 9. Robben 10. Valdés 11. Neto
kps88 : 1. Platini 2. Neeskens 3. Kohler 4. Vogts 5. Vieira 6. Cannavaro 7. A. Cole 8. Ribery 9. Fontaine 10. Tilkowski 11. Donadoni
Jayvin : 1. Best 2. Robson 3. Giggs 4. Cafu 5. Law 6. Blanc 7. Kopa 8. Casillas 9. Tresor 10. Irwin 11. Zito
KM : 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Schnellinger 3. Laudrup 4. Romario 5. Stam 6. Ballack 7. Hamrin 8. T. Silva 9. Jennings 10. Gerets 11. Dalglish
EDogen : 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini 3. Falcão 4. Thuram 5. Tardelli 6. Busquets 7. Rivelino 8. Marzolini 9. Gilmar 10. Costacurta 11. Mata
Gio : 1. Baresi 2. Charles 3. Facchetti 4. Davids 5. Boniek 6. Hagi 7. Essien 8. Vierchowod 9. Armfield 10. Buffon 11. Corbatta
Fergus' son : 1. Matthaus 2. Scirea 3. Redondo 4. Zanetti 5. Eto'o 6. Burgnich 7. Cabrini 8. Del Piero 9. Kaka 10. Amancio 11. Netzer
AldoRaine18 : 1. Rijkaard 2. Zico 3. Muller 4. Vidic 5. Hansen 6. Gullit 7. Nedved 8. Zambrotta 9. Bremner 10. Bergmark 11. Alonso
VP : 1. C Ronaldo 2. Gento 3. Scholes 4. Socrates 5. Sammer 6. Zoff 7. McGrath 8. Evra 9. Deschamps 10. Van Nistelrooy 11. Brennan 12. A. Ferguson
NM : 1. Zidane 2. Figueroa 3. Luis Suarez 4. Souness 5. Henry 6. Alves 7. Terry 8. Lizarazu 9. Blokhin 10. Johnstone 11. Szymaniak 12. Schmeichel
antohan : 1. Garrincha 2. Eusebio 3. Desailly 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Hierro 6. Schuster 7. Junior 8. Luis Enrique 9. Cech 10. Campbell 11. Schweinsteiger
Brwned : 1. Edwards 2. Charlton 3. Figo 4. Ferdinand 5. Bergomi 6. Brehme 7. Sanchez 8. Dzajic 9. Camacho 10. Maier 11. Villa 12. Yaya Toure
Theon : 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Banks 6. R. Carlos 7. Tigana 8. Pirlo 9. Ferrara 10. Greaves 11. Amoros 12. Mauro Ramos
 
Forget the Uruguans, There are some absolute legends missing out because of the decades rule!!

Loads of them indeed. Still reckon it has made the draft better and more interesting. Just want the one chap out of 192 to represent a country that since the mid 50s has won as many Copa Américas as Brazil in their entire history or the rest of Latin America -bar Argentina- put together.

It says a lot about the importance of courage, determination, teamwork, tactical discipline... But I'm only asking for one!

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