I wouldn't have picked him, if many rate Boban. But seems like he's a bit of outcast, so need another creative player.
Swap with Lizarazu?
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I wouldn't have picked him, if many rate Boban. But seems like he's a bit of outcast, so need another creative player.
Swap with Lizarazu?
I guess you could be convinced that everyone else had had a complete brainfart and overlooked him when he had lasted this long, otherwise I can't see how you could be so sure he would last. Pat and I have been waiting for this since before Aimar got picked!!!!!
I wouldn't have picked him, if many rate Boban. But seems like he's a bit of outcast, so need another creative player.
Swap with Lizarazu?
Valeron would be ideal for my midfield, providing a link between Xavi and Raúl. In fact, when I thought of him last night, I was praying he'd get through the next round until it was my turn again. I had to address my defence first but I deliberated for ages on whether to gamble and get Valeron in anyway, and then worry about the defence.
Cracking pick for the 12th round. Hats off, sir.
That's actually a good call. I had been wondering whether kps wouldn't have been better off with Aimar and I could see the benefits in Riquelme and Aimar, Valerón probably would have been better than either in that side (votes and all that aside, obviously).
No, when we got this late in the game, I was convinced everyone had forgotten about him. There's no other explanation for it. One of the best playmakers in the world in the early 2000s. Probably the closest thing to Iniesta of that time.
you are right Valeron makes much more sense for that team than Riquelme
this has been an interesting draft, as I have been following football only since 95, and most of the time-period being considered for the draft is covered. The draft has been quite decent in terms of not falling for the more recent memory of players. However I feel United players have been a bit under-rated overall in the draft
You stole Busquets away from me THE PICK BEFORE ME !!! I promised to not be bitter, but up yours.
you are right Valeron makes much more sense for that team than Riquelme
this has been an interesting draft, as I have been following football only since 95, and most of the time-period being considered for the draft is covered. The draft has been quite decent in terms of not falling for the more recent memory of players. However I feel United players have been a bit under-rated overall in the draft
There's a very good United winger that I was contemplating for the 12th. Non-CL as well.
Aimar was better than Valeron at his peak imo
Valeron was a great player, but slightly overrated IMO. Had his career occurred a few years later, I don't think he would get much recognition at all with all the other Spanish midfields maestros around.
i love aimar as a player and was hoping we would get him around the time beckham was leaving, however valeron is in a different class from aimar and by different i mean a whole level above.
And so it begins!...
Is it mandatory to slate every pick from here on in? Look what you've started, anto...
injuries played a major part, but otherwise he would still be recognized as one of the best. it is like saying scholes wouldn't be recognized in the present la liga (not saying valeron was as good but he is not very off).
i guess i am biased a little towards players like him and I also feel that he would have shone on a bigger stage, just didn't make the move. i might weaken my case here by mentioned Le Tissier the player, who was class but isn't recognized as highly because of who he played. and we can never really tell what he could have done at a different place
Valeron is one of my favourite players, so much class on the ball, he was the best attacking midfielder in La Liga at his peak.
That whole Super Depor team was fantastic.
That whole Super Depor team was fantastic.
Nah, because I dont think Valeron was anywhere near the class of Scholes.
Where would Valeron rank amongst Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Busquets, Mata, Silva, and Carzola? Pretty much near the bottom of that list IMO, I think Mata will prove to be better, same with Silva, the rest I'm sure are already better, apart from Carzola.
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic 10. Reuter 11. Baia
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg 10. Chivu 11. Robinho
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez 10. Heinze 11. Peruzzi
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso 10. Barthez 11. Di Maria
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar 11. Capdevila
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto 11. Marchena
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia 11. Toldo
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas 11. Srna
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst 11. Canizares
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva 11. Taffarel
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda 11. Torres
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao 11. Lehmann 12. Valerón
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone 11. Sagna 12. Rustu
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Thiago Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal 11. Neuer 12. Kluivert
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel 11. Reina 12. Tarnat
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giuly 10. Sergi 11.Litmanen 12. Lloris
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg 10. Chivu 11. Robinho
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez 10. Heinze 11. Peruzzi
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso 10. Barthez 11. Di Maria
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar 11. Capdevila
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto 11. Marchena
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia 11. Toldo
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas 11. Srna
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst 11. Canizares
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva 11. Taffarel
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda 11. Torres
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao 11. Lehmann 12. Valerón
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone 11. Sagna 12. Rustu
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Thiago Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal 11. Neuer 12. Kluivert
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel 11. Reina 12. Tarnat
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giuly 10. Sergi 11.Litmanen 12. Lloris
Still a fantastic pick though. The whole overrated thing comes after a recent discussion I'v had when people were saying he was one of the best AMs in the world, I thought that was a stretch. He did put in some really good performances though.
And so it begins!...
Is it mandatory to slate every pick from here on in? Look what you've started, anto...
The draft was all quite and nice, before Anto came in
. He's the Bellamy of draft.Obviously I disagree but they are different players. Aimar scored as many goals in 5 seasons in la Liga as Valeron did in 15.
feck. Had decided a player with Snow but have another guys name in my head now. Bear with me guys
So:
-------------Reina---------------
Thuram Ayala Samuel Tarnat
-------Makelele Bastian -------
--Muller Aimar/Moller Villa--
------------Batistuta------------
Thoughts?
-------------Reina---------------
Thuram Ayala Samuel Tarnat
-------Makelele Bastian -------
--Muller Aimar/Moller Villa--
------------Batistuta------------
Thoughts?
You lack width
Absolutely, I rate peak Aimar very highly, higher than either Valerón or Riquelme.
The issue is what works though.
Ever since Riquelme and Aimar were coming through in the Argie youth sides they presented the dillemma: Riquelme's cerebral pause or Aimar's verticalidad/repentización (sort of "ad-lib directness"). I prefer the latter (no wonder, being a United fan) but it's all horses for courses.
I said earlier, kps' side looked all blood and thunder and Riquelme looked a misfit in terms of tempo. On the other hand, Aimar would maybe be too in line with that. Valerón would be a classy elegant in between whereby the tempo is managed without bringing it to a grinding halt.
The draft was all quite and nice, before Anto came in
The only thing I've criticised are some really odd goalkeeping picks, that's all. It's not like I've been slaughtering sides, is it?Rickys too old
I was just thinking position wise he has always been wasted on the left for me. I would rather use Moller just because he would be more natural to the role Villa would be a super sub.Hmm, yeah. The indecision with Moller and Aimar cost me the oppurtunity to get an out and out winger, though Muller and Villa are wide players, not just people that have been thrown in that position. Tarnat was a wing back on occasion so he can link with Villa I'm thinking and Thuram is Thuram, definitely capable of supporting Muller.
If you play 4-4-2 will you get slaughtered votes wise against a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1??
Probably.
Diamond is a better formation if your thinking of two up top.
------Makelele-----
Muller ----- Bastian
------ Aimar -------
--Batistuta Villa --
I was thinking that Villa will score goals and he can link up with Batistuta and drift wide rather than having him start out there.
Yeah, I can probably keep the 433 but tweak it so it becomes more apparent that Villa is doing what you described. We have to do write ups of our tactics etc ...