The Redcafe Champions League Draft

antohan said:
Man, I mentioned it earlier when saying keepers aren't so irrelevant, it killed me having Barthez (then YYYYYY) and my oppo having VDS (aka XXX).

People invariably narrow down to the core three and you can't argue your case with a straight face when the safe hands in one is VDS and Barthez in the other. You just can't.

I do think it is fair to make the argument that goofups only happen once in a blue moon, maybe twice a year with someone like Barthez so the odds for the one game are low... but in a tight game I sure would assume you are one goal the worse if your rival has VDS/Kahn/Buffon.
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Yep. When the teams are very evenly matched you begin to look for anything to seperate them. On some occasions that'll be an error-prone goalkeeper or defender. Its harsh, but these games are won or lost on fine margins! Reuniting that France 1998/2000 axis is a good counter-argument though.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Yep. When the teams are very evenly matched you begin to look for anything to seperate them. On some occasions that'll be an error-prone goalkeeper or defender. Its harsh, but these games are won or lost on fine margins! Reuniting that France 1998/2000 axis is a good counter-argument though.
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That's the reason I picked him. And it will be my arguement all the way.
 
I'd take Desailly-Blanc-Cech over both ;)

With him being CL tied it was completely unnecessary. It won't screw you early on but would in the final. I planned to replace him last time but the opportunity never came, or there were better options.

I'd suggest the third of your pickups from the pool is a keeper, there will be eight there and surely 2-3 who will make you much stronger.
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez 10. Heinze
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso 10. Barthez
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giuly 10. Sergi


I fixed Giuly's spelling
 
Jake needs a left winger, I suggest Stewart Downing
The Game could do with more steel in midfield, get Joey Barton
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We know Stobzilla is getting Louis Saha
 
That actually isn't very kamikaze, it's just Stob. Make it Emile Heskey. And yes, I know, he hasn't been picked :eek:
 
Yes, when I posted your formation graphic yesterday I was going to put Chilavert/Highuita or Campos in it. Shame they are all inelligible :annoyed:
 
I was torn between Paul McShane, and Chivu. I've went for Chivu.

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right back needed so go with Stefan Reuter, CL winner with Dortumund and 69 caps for the Germans.

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and finally keeper, go with Vitor Baia, champions league winner with Porto and 80 international caps.
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic 10. Reuter 11. Baia
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg 10. Chivu
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez 10. Heinze
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso 10. Barthez
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giuly 10. Sergi
 
Baia? I actually need to check CL appearances for various goalkeepers because I can think of at least 5 if not 10 better ones off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure they all qualify though.
 
Jayvin said:
I'm not sold on it. Ozil on the right wing doesn't make sense to me, and Kaka and Ronaldinho didn't work together in 2006. I see them getting in each others way more often than not - definitely a case of too many cooks spoil the broth. Also, if Ozil is cutting inside, then who is providing width on the right flank? They've already stated that Gallas won't be going forward (not that he is capable of a meaningful attacking contribution anyway). Sensational left side though, and a quality midfield.
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Özil on the right is a common thing at Real. Not unusual at all. They have him or Callejon play there all the time. Madrid often doesn't play with a winger. Same with Barcal (I don't think you count Iniesta or Villa as wingers). Where does the width come from? A little thing called movement off the ball. You see, none of these players are rooted to their position. They don't hang there like Valencia (who doesn't know any better) but move around freely. Much like the current Chelsea side and many other teams as well.

Too many cooks to spoil the broth? Well shit. Someone ring Scolari, Tito or del Bosque and let them know.
 
antohan said:
Baia? I actually need to check CL appearances for various goalkeepers because I can think of at least 5 if not 10 better ones off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure they all qualify though.
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TheGame Welcome to the "slagged off by anto" Club
 
Snow said:
Özil on the right is a common thing at Real. Not unusual at all. They have XXX playing there, him or YYYY and only one of them is a winger. Where does the width come from? A little thing called movement off the ball. You see, none of these players are rooted to their position. They don't hang there like Valencia (who doesn't know any better) but move around freely. Much like the current Chelsea side and many other teams (Real Madrid without YYYYY) as well.

Too many cooks to spoil the broth? Well shit. Someone ring Scolari, Tito or del Bosque and let them know.
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TheGame said:
He was a quality keeper, he won the CL with Porto, also player for Barca and was a quality keeper for Portugal too.
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He wasn't particularly dodgy or anything, he is just the sort of chap I would have expected to see as a non-CL winner, but wasting a CL spot on Baia doesn't sound great to me.
 
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