The Redcafe Champions League Draft

Thisistheone said:
:lol:

Rrrrrryyyyyan Giggssss, Ryan Giggs!!! Rrrrryyyyannn Giggs"

WTF!?

Edit: POL SCOLES!!
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El Bambino Pons :lol: , he makes football so much more fun with his stupid songs.

"Heeeeyyyy Ruuuuuuuddd.... Vannn Nistelroooy..... NANANANANA NANANANA Heeeeey Ruuuuuud"

I missed that :(
 
Pat_Mustard said:
That's a good point about Bayern. If they can move on and achieve some more success over the next few seasons then they'll absolutely be right up there in the discussion. There might never be a more dramatic passing of the guard than the beating they put on Barca last season.
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Let's say Bayern pull it off again next season and defend the title, are they really up there with Barca 2009-11 or Milan 89-90? I think Bayern this season miss that one outstanding player everyone is talking about or those great new tactics, never before seen, which impress everyone around, to be considered as one of those all time great teams. Maybe Guardiola helps with the tactics and maybe Götze will be that player. But is it really enough to be just one hell of a team for a few seasons?
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic​
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg​
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez​
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso​
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael​
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto​
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia​
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas​
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst​
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva​
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda​
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao​
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone​
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal​
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel​
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi​
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I'll PM Ralaks there now (or has somebody else his pick?).​
 
Ralaks picks Pinocchio

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The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic​
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg​
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez​
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso​
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar​
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto​
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia​
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas​
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst​
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva​
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda​
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao​
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone​
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal​
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel​
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi​
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antohan said:
El Bambino Pons :lol: , he makes football so much more fun with his stupid songs.

"Heeeeyyyy Ruuuuuuuddd.... Vannn Nistelroooy..... NANANANANA NANANANA Heeeeey Ruuuuuud"

I missed that :(
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Best commentator ever! Meanwhile we're stuck with Andy Townsend.
 
Ok so maybe a surprise and he was a little fruity but for the sake of chemistry and forming a World Cup winning/Euro2000 winning Triangle:



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You are aware he has won the CL right?

Christ, you don't have the slightest idea what you've just done. I would not get anywhere near him ever again.
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic​
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg​
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez​
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso 10. Barthez​
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar​
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto​
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia​
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas​
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst​
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva​
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda​
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao​
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone​
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal​
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel​
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi​
 
van Nistelrooy​
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Ballack ---------- Xavi​
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Lizarazu------------ Busquets ------------ Irwin​
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Abidal ---- Couto ---- CB​
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Kahn​

I'm heading towards this formation at the moment with my team. Very happy with it and I think I have quite a strong blend of physicality and panache. Of my picks thus far, only Busquets hasn't captained a top-level side, and among the other nine there are some who'll go down as among the best and most decorated captains of all-time. I think my full-backs complement my defence and attack very well as both are proven defenders, unlike some other full-backs in the draft. Both Lizarazu and Irwin were renowned for their proficiency in attack too - be it assisted or scoring - so both are very solid picks. My central defence is taking shape in front of the best goalkeeper in the draft (in my opinion), midfield is very strong with physicality and technical ability in abundance, and in attack I have two of the top three goalscorers in the tournament's history.

A nicely balanced team set out in a popular (and successful) formation for the time.
 
antohan said:
You are aware he has won the CL right?

Christ, you don't have the slightest idea what you've just done. I would not get anywhere near him ever again.
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He's won everything else in the game now he wants to win the caf fantasy draft
 
I can see the triangle yes, and how Barthez was the weak link in it, and how Blanc kissing his forehead was the equivalent of Chicharito praying, or Kaka... It's basically: "Please focus, no feck ups, one game at a time, please please, pretty please"...
 
Error prone keepers will not be popular to voters imo. They'll be imaginin a game thats delicately poised with nothing to split the teams and then Barthez with 5mins to go making a monumental feckup. A safe bet keeper would have been better imo.
 
Stobzilla said:
Because he was phenomenal from 93 - 2000 easily one of the best in the world, just all went a bit wrong when he joined us.
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That was my thinking and argument in the 70s draft... No one bought it. If anyone was ever hurt by his goalkeeper, that was me with Barthez. I actually alluded to it earlier and TITO knows that final pretty well so I'm very surprised.
 
antohan said:
I can see the triangle yes, and how Barthez was the weak link in it, and how Blanc kissing his forehead was the equivalent of Chicharito praying, or Kaka... It's basically: "Please focus, no feck ups, one game at a time, please please, pretty please"...
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:lol:

but so true!
 
And it worked, they won. Did he ever cost France or Marseille, in the big games? He was hell of a shot stopper and is only tainted cos of his time at Utd. This draft is about peak's. Under pressure he never cracked.
 
It's the last minute of the game, Barthez kick out.

 
Sorry TITO but this is a bit of a feck up. You can say prime all you want, but any casual voter will see Barthez and LOL
 
Cutch said:
Error prone keepers will not be popular to voters imo. They'll be imaginin a game thats delicately poised with nothing to split the teams and then Barthez with 5mins to go making a monumental feckup. A safe bet keeper would have been better imo.
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The first thing that comes to my mind when people mention Barthez is an interview not long after a mare against Depor. He was asked a trick question along the lines of "it must be difficult to suddenly respond when your side are so dominant...?". He just started rambling about how bored he got during games and how he would start wondering what he wanted for dinner that day and which restaurant would be better to go to... Thereafter, every time he got caught in no man's land I figured he had just been standing there thinking about restaurants.

Fruit cake is an understatement.
 
NM said:
Sorry TITO but this is a bit of a feck up. You can say prime all you want, but any casual voter will see Barthez and LOL
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If we were all worried about the casual voter we'd just pick a team of current players who are fresh in everyone's memory.
 
Thisistheone said:
If we were all worried about the casual voter we'd just pick a team of current players who are fresh in everyone's memory.
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True,
but even as somebody who is drafting, I can't imagine the Barthez you describe. All I'll remember (rightly or wrongly) is the feckup waiting to happen when he was at United. This is a united forum after all.
 
Barthez is a strange pick. Very good at his prime obviously but not a great choice for a pick in a fantasy draft where its United fans that are going to vote. With keepers, goof ups tend to stick to the memory, barthez had quite a few in his time here which might cost you in a very tight game.
 
NM said:
True,
but even as somebody who is drafting, I can't imagine the Barthez you describe. All I'll remember (rightly or wrongly) is the feckup waiting to happen when he was at United. This is a united forum after all.
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Do you remember Veron as shit then?

Oh well feck it, he adds a bit of personality to the team!
 
Balu said:
Let's say Bayern pull it off again next season and defend the title, are they really up there with Barca 2009-11 or Milan 89-90? I think Bayern this season miss that one outstanding player everyone is talking about or those great new tactics, never before seen, which impress everyone around, to be considered as one of those all time great teams. Maybe Guardiola helps with the tactics and maybe Götze will be that player. But is it really enough to be just one hell of a team for a few seasons?
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Interesting point and I'm not entirely sure to be honest!

Consecutive wins in the modern era would be such a huge accomplishment that it would likely elevate the standing of some of Bayern's better players fairly massively. Looking at the Milan 1994 team which is still revered Savicevic was probably their stand-out attacker with Papin injury-prone and Van Basten long-term inured at that stage. I could certainly see Ribery or as you say maybe Gotze being remembered in similar terms to Savicevic.
 
Thisistheone said:
Do you remember Veron as shit then?

Oh well feck it, he adds a bit of personality to the team!
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Veron's a huge risk in this forum. Akash fancied him but I had to suggest to not take that risk. I'm a big Veron fan, given the right system he's a beast but you have to consider the fact that not a lot would remember his Lazio days, on this forum in particular. It's a risk, which can be avoided, same with Barthez.
 
The Game: 1. Zidane 2. Seedorf 3. Shevchenko 4. Frank De Boer 5. Pires 6. Cocu 7. Ze Roberto 8. Lopez 9. Simic
JakeC: 1. Messi 2. Cantona 3. Buffon 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Xabi Alonso 6. Puyol 7. Mascherano 8. Sagnol 9. Ljungberg
kps88: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Kohler 3. Davids 4. Vieri 5. Riquelme 6. Costacurta 7. Cambiasso 8. Salgado 9. Gonzalez
Thisistheone: 1. Ronaldo 2. Desailly 3. Rui Costa 4. Blanc 5. Essien 6. Dani Alves 7. Rooney 8. Paulo Sousa 9. Grosso 10. Barthez
Ralaks: 1. Keane 2. Del Piero 3. Effenberg 4. Beckham 5. Overmars 6. Ramos 7. Trezeguet 8. Piqué 9. Rafael 10. van der Sar
nahealai: 1. Xavi 2. Raúl 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ballack 5. Busquets 6. Lizarazu 7. Irwin 8. Abidal 9. Kahn 10. Couto
Stobzilla: 1. Henry 2. Stam 3. Totti 4. Gerrard 5. Veron 6. Mata 7. G. Neville 8. Mijatovic 9. Mihajlovic 10. Hyypia
Feeky: 1. Maldini 2. Scholes 3. Bergkamp 4. Deschamps 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Y. Touré 7. David Silva 8. Lúcio 9. Marcelo 10. Casillas
akash02: 1. Romario 2. Cannavaro 3. Hagi 4. Guardiola 5. Lahm 6. McManaman 7. Petit 8. Chiellini 9. Baraja 10. Van Bronckhorst
Gio: 1. Rivaldo 2. Nedved 3. Ferdinand 4. Zanetti 5. Fabregas 6. Zambrotta 7. Montero 8. Joaquin 9. Owen 10. Mauro Silva
Snow: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Kaka 3. Mendieta 4. Terry 5. Carvalho 6. A. Cole 7. Ozil 8. Gallas 9. Cech 10. Albelda
Isotope: 1. Redondo 2. Ribery 3. Eto'o 4. Albertini 5. Campbell 6. Boban 7. Forlan 8. Angloma 9. Kompany 10. Coentrao
EDogen: 1. Nesta 2. Giggs 3. Hierro 4. Van Persie 5. Enrique 6. Robben 7.Evra 8. Ferrara 9. Deco 10. Simeone
Theon: 1. Iniesta 2. Pirlo 3. Cafu 4. Gattuso 5. De Rossi 6. Crespo 7. Aguero 8. Silva 9. Candela 10. Nadal
Fergus'son: 1. Batistuta 2. Thuram 3. Ayala 4. Makelele 5. Schweinsteiger 6. Moller. 7. Villa 8. Muller 9. Aimar 10. Samuel
BD/NM: 1. Vieira 2. Figo 3. Vidic 4. Drogba 5.Lampard 6. Popescu 7. Maicon 8. Gilberto 9. Giulyu 10. Sergi


Kps is up.
 
Man, I mentioned it earlier when saying keepers aren't so irrelevant, it killed me having Barthez (then YYYYYY) and my oppo having VDS (aka XXX).

People invariably narrow down to the core three and you can't argue your case with a straight face when the safe hands in one is VDS and Barthez in the other. You just can't.

I do think it is fair to make the argument that goofups only happen once in a blue moon, maybe twice a year with someone like Barthez so the odds for the one game are low... but in a tight game I sure would assume you are one goal the worse if your rival has VDS/Kahn/Buffon.
 
NM said:
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id you PM KPS?
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antohan said:
Man, I mentioned it earlier when saying keepers aren't so irrelevant, it killed me having Barthez (then YYYYYY) and my oppo having VDS (aka XXX).

People invariably narrow down to the core three and you can't argue your case with a straight face when the safe hands in one is VDS and Barthez in the other. You just can't.

I do think it is fair to make the argument that goofups only happen once in a blue moon, maybe twice a year with someone like Barthez so the odds for the one game are low... but in a tight game I sure would assume you are one goal the worse if your rival has VDS/Kahn/Buffon.
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Exactly, only once in a blue moon but never in the big tournaments. This draft is knock-out football and Barthez never made a costly error in France '98 all the way through or in the Euro '00 knock outs. He's fine. Casual voters my not like but all of us here drafting know he was world class and is in the same team as 2 players he knows perfectly well. Only Snow's team has something similar to match this chemistry with Cech-Terry-Carvalho. But I'd take mine over his, naturally ;)
 
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