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A let down.
It had so much promise as well after AJ beat Klitschko and Fury returning.
Aj - Fury will still sell but it should have been for all the belts and not after both getting swept by Usyk.
The Saudis get a lot of hate but at least we would have had an Aj - Fury fight if they got involved in boxing earlier.
Usyk seemed to be ahead from round 7 onwards. Soon as that was the case I was confident he was going to win. The guy is ridiculous at closing out fights, absolute beast of a boxer.
Did think Fury was better this time round though, Usyk didn't run away with it with anywhere near as much ease.
Did think Fury was better this time round though, Usyk didn't run away with it with anywhere near as much ease.
Lennox Lewis saying Usyk deserved to win but didn't hear the score card.
I think that's what it comes down to, overall Usyk did the better job, you could rewatch and perhaps score more rounds as draws, Usyk winning fewer but still more than Fury or you can look at it 7-5 if you must hand each fighter a round.
I think that's what it comes down to, overall Usyk did the better job, you could rewatch and perhaps score more rounds as draws, Usyk winning fewer but still more than Fury or you can look at it 7-5 if you must hand each fighter a round.
I can think of 30-40 million things he’d gain
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3 - 3 after the 6th round for me.
7 - 12th round - I think I only had Fury realistically winning the 11th round.
116 - 112 seems ok?
7 - 12th round - I think I only had Fury realistically winning the 11th round.
116 - 112 seems ok?
Three judges out of three scored it 8-4, confuting such an unanimous decision is a stretch.
We can debate a match of two halves, if we like: I had 3-3 after six rounds (and 7-4-1 after twelve).
We can debate a match of two halves, if we like: I had 3-3 after six rounds (and 7-4-1 after twelve).
One too many times in my opinion. I don't think we needed a third fight even though it was a good slugfest
He controlled the middle of the ring more often than not. That's not "buzzing around" like you seem to think is a thing at this level.
If you don't think controlling the ground against a much bigger opponent shouldn't count to the win, then fine. But I bet Usyk outscored him on every over metric that you think counts too.
He won the 10th, I think, but yeah it seems fair enough.
Edit: trying to figure out how to upload and share a picture ditectly...
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Below average.
I’d agree pal
The Fury Wilder AJ era had one outcome where by just Fury Wilder fought
No Wilder AJ
No AJ Fury
Quite a poor era really, obviously in hindsight Wilder is a poor boxer, time has shown us that, but for those three fighters in that era too not get it on is a failure too the fans and failure of the crap promoters
I ain’t a fan of the Saudi investment but as they are, let’s hope moving forward, the fights that should be happening will be happening, Warren and Hearn should be redundant with the Saudi money, if money is getting these fights on, why are Warren and Hearn neeeded
I’ll watch it again at some point, I didn’t think he controlled the middle of the ring no where near as much as people are making out tbh.
No need for the condescending last sentance but if that makes you feel good, well done.
A fight can be both very close and competitive, but still wide on the cards. Each round was tight, but Usyk took the majority. Usually find those claiming robbery just look at the fight in totality and not on a round by round basis.
You’ve just linked us to porn mate?
Not my intention. When i click on it i see the scorecard done by the viewers. I'm still trying to upload it directly...
You surely see why that's a terrible thing to do early in the fight, and why adopting that late is a do or die, higher risk tactic? There's a reason why it wasn't part of any concerted plan from the outset - Usyk has shown, many times, he can hurt Fury, so he couldn't just bulldoze in to try and place hands on him from the outset.
I think he backed himself to be able to match enough of the firepower to give one to land one, but was, as you say, too big and too slow for that to be effective routinely enough to be relied upon. He got beat to the punch to often for it to be viable.
The weight thing was his initial idea about Usyk when Usyk came up to HW and he waxed lyrical about how the opponents were giving Usyk too much respect and should just go in and show him the difference between a cruiser coming up and a true HW. He's followed his own words here and found out it's not so easy as Usyk simply won't sit still, plus he interjects with such good timing and he's carrying enough power to not be walked through by anyone he's faced.
Go to imgur.com, upload it there and copy paste the bb code into here if it's worth sharing, what is it?
Already sick of hearing everyone crying about how it was closer than 4 rounds, who gives a feck really?
The rightful winner won, doesn't matter if it was by 1 round or all 12.
The rightful winner won, doesn't matter if it was by 1 round or all 12.
Thanks. It worked perfectly. It shows Fury winning.
Viewer opinions based in the UK though.
You made an analogy that made absolutely no sense in the context. Apologies if I read your intentions wrong, but it seemed as if you were trying to belittle the point.
And when you rewatch, try to watch it from the perspective of what actually happened and not what "people are making out". Because Fury has his moments, I thought he was much better than the first fight at times, but the smaller man bossed him around more and controlled that ring far better and for longer. I personally think that matters a lot.
Yeah let's take the opinion of the viewers.
Even then 10-10 rounds don't happen so if you give those to Usyk for being the more dominant fighter etc then it's not so far away.
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The way Warren was rambling, he made out as if they gave Fury 12 different rounds between them...he's not won 5, all in the second half, on any. Warren's lost the plot
Yeah, Warren's talking out of his arse. The score is just a matter of there being quite a few close rounds and how boxing judges won't give a 10-10 on pain of death.The way Warren was rambling, he made out as if they gave Fury 12 different rounds between them...he's not won 5, all in the second half, on any. Warren's lost the plot
Even if you gave every single last remotely close round to Fury, it'd still be a draw.
Far from being a terrible thing to do early in the fight, it's something that literally only works if you do it early in the fight. The idea is to drain the opponent by forcing them to carry your weight as well as theirs, so that they tire in the later rounds. If you wait until the later rounds to do it, the fight is over before you can reap any rewards.
Leaning on an opponent as a heavier man isn't do or die, or high risk, it's a pretty safe tactic when done right. Vladimir Klitschko made a career out of it. There doesn't need to be any bulldozing as you put it, he could easily have put it at the end of a jab or a couple of punches. Fury had plenty of good attacks that he could have tied up afterwards (given that he wasn't interested in following up with more punches) but instead he was static.
I think maybe you're right that he thought he'd have the one punch stopping power, given that he didn't use the greater weight at all other than for punching I can't imagine what else his thought process could have been, but if that's the case he lost the fight as soon as he started training for it - he's never been about one punch power, his stopping power comes from damage accumulation.
His point about Usyk wasn't completely without merit, the Chisora fight for example was torrid for Usyk, but Fury doesn't have that kind of walking down in his locker, Chisora's chin is remarkable.
Definitely a poor era, but it did produce some decent fights. Wilder is really only included in the headline by virtue of his record which was accumulated against nobodies. He quite literally never fought anyone of any note at all, until Fury. Three fights which he lost (unofficially - getting a draw in the first fight against a Fury who’d just come out of retirement, rehab etc, when he’d clearly lost it). The second two fights were just brutal. He was beaten to a pulp in both. Remarkable that he stayed standing for so long, especially in the third fight, where I am sure that the battering he took is going to lead to some serious long term damage.
Wilder was just a one punch, one trick pony who preyed on nobodies and journey men. He was never a boxer to be taken seriously.
AJ is a mixed bag. At his best I think he was about equal with Fury, and definitely had way more knock out power than the gypsy king. He also fought anybody and everybody he could. Never ducked a fight. He fought all the top ranked fighters he could. Wilder ducked him completely, and even Fury did for a while. But AJ never had that truly elite technique needed to be the best, and once he slowed down a little bit with age, he became very vulnerable. I’d have loved to have seen him fight Fury five years ago, before he got schooled twice by Usyk, and effectively got put to bed for the rest of his career.
Fury was by far the most technically accomplished in the division until Usyk made the jump; he also had the fight craft that Joshua never did. That said, I could never rate Fury that highly because he was such a weak puncher for a top heavyweight and man of his size. He just didn’t have any real knock out power. Probably why he battered Wilder for so long. He hit him enough times to put him in a coma, but never hard enough to send him lights out. All in all a pretty poor era, all things considered. One good boxer, who lacked power, one decent boxer with an abundance of power but too much naivety, and one hopeless boxer with an excess of explosive power.
Usyk came up, the smallest by far, and showed them all what a truly great boxer looks like. And rightfully dominated the division. He’s now defeated AJ twice and Fury twice. He completely cleaned up the division. Thankfully Wilder never had any chance or right to be in the same ring as him.
The future looks interesting though. Especially for British heavyweights. Dubois is only 27 and potentially has an Usyk rematch on the cards if he gets past Parker. Which could be a good fight. His “low blow” from the first fight was the difference between victory and defeat. And then there is Moses Itauma, who is only 19, and looks incredible. He’ll need time but he looks the real deal. The future of the division.
I am English and I felt Usyk clearly won the fight in line with the judges' scorecards.
Just overall his output was greater and he threw slightly more punches and was a little more accurate.
Fury did pretty well but he just couldn't maintain any sustained pressure on Usyk when he did connect cleanly.
Most of the rounds were pretty even and Usyk simply was busier and cleaner.
As a spectacle it was pretty underwhelming and boring and I don't know what's next for the division. A Dubois rematch is interesting because of what went before with the low blow, and Dubois's win against Joshua being so resounding. That for me is better than Kabayel or Parker.
Just overall his output was greater and he threw slightly more punches and was a little more accurate.
Fury did pretty well but he just couldn't maintain any sustained pressure on Usyk when he did connect cleanly.
Most of the rounds were pretty even and Usyk simply was busier and cleaner.
As a spectacle it was pretty underwhelming and boring and I don't know what's next for the division. A Dubois rematch is interesting because of what went before with the low blow, and Dubois's win against Joshua being so resounding. That for me is better than Kabayel or Parker.
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You do realise that Fury is English?
Not sure if you are a travelled person or not but there are a lot more commentators in other parts of the world that are biased towards their own country's sporting stars.
I certainly have no problem with displays of national pride.
Usyk has achieved the dream. Time to retire
Yea I thought he was going to bank all the early rounds but Usyk rallied back after round 2. Once it was even going to the 7th he would pretty much need a KD or KO because the mid to late rounds are pretty much Usyk's forte.
I was hoping fury would win but in the end it was a pretty comfortable night for usyk.
Fury never really troubled him and usyk was by far the busier man and had the more eye catching shots.
Was hoping fury would let the uppercut go a lot more when they were close together but it didn’t really happen.
Fury should bow out now, he’s got enough money and if he fights AJ it will be 5 years too late.
Am excited for Dubois and Itauma in the next few years, Dubois certainly deserves another shot as he would have beaten usyk first time around except for a bullshit call.
Fury never really troubled him and usyk was by far the busier man and had the more eye catching shots.
Was hoping fury would let the uppercut go a lot more when they were close together but it didn’t really happen.
Fury should bow out now, he’s got enough money and if he fights AJ it will be 5 years too late.
Am excited for Dubois and Itauma in the next few years, Dubois certainly deserves another shot as he would have beaten usyk first time around except for a bullshit call.
I think I scored it 7-5 Usyk
My card is almost identical to judge 3. I thought a fury at worst shared the first 6 and I thought he dominated the 9th up until the last 10-15 seconds. In reality, there wasn’t much in a lot of the rounds IMO but Usyk rear hand was much more effective. Fury didn’t throw his right hand with any purpose or throw any combinations ; however, that’s never rally been his game. although he spent less time with his back to the ropes this time, he barely pushed Usyk back.Usyk also made a point of throwing back aggressive flurries in response to any success of Fury’s.
Don’t know why people have to take the piss out of a loser either way. You can fall short and not disgrace yourself. Fury has shown glimpses that his reflexes have waned a bit over the last few years; certainly defensively.
I’m not interested in seeing a third fight.
My card is almost identical to judge 3. I thought a fury at worst shared the first 6 and I thought he dominated the 9th up until the last 10-15 seconds. In reality, there wasn’t much in a lot of the rounds IMO but Usyk rear hand was much more effective. Fury didn’t throw his right hand with any purpose or throw any combinations ; however, that’s never rally been his game. although he spent less time with his back to the ropes this time, he barely pushed Usyk back.Usyk also made a point of throwing back aggressive flurries in response to any success of Fury’s.
Don’t know why people have to take the piss out of a loser either way. You can fall short and not disgrace yourself. Fury has shown glimpses that his reflexes have waned a bit over the last few years; certainly defensively.
I’m not interested in seeing a third fight.
That trilogy involved the most entertaining heavyweight fights in years. Without them this era would seem even less interesting. Has Usyk been involved in any classic fights!? Last night was so boring.
in the end, fury will go down in history as a very rich man for one good performance against an ancient klitschko, ducking nearly everyone else, to fight derek chisora 3 times and pad his stats. it really has been the worst heavyweight era of all time, and fury is the main cause of that.
I thought the first fight was fantastic.
Within the context of this era of boxing
The quality of a heavyweight era is surely defined by the quality of the fighters? How is it Fury’s fault that none of them are very good?