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They said all the judges give him the win for different rounds. And one of the judges didn’t give him a round after 6 which is ridiculous really. I thought it was a close fight and usyk really couldn’t get close, fury jabbed him to death
Anyone calling it close enough to be a draw is delusional.
To put it into perspective, you are agreeing with Joshua, Hearn and Warren. Such an unbiased bunch there.
Usyk was clearly the better boxer, the better fighter. He was the smaller man and yet pushed forward for most of the fight and landed the cleaner shots. Wobble your heads.
To put it into perspective, you are agreeing with Joshua, Hearn and Warren. Such an unbiased bunch there.
Usyk was clearly the better boxer, the better fighter. He was the smaller man and yet pushed forward for most of the fight and landed the cleaner shots. Wobble your heads.
Hardly a disgrace
What are you talking about it's being debated on tv, it's hardly a clear cut decision. Nobody thinks it's clear cut.
I certainly understand boxing, Fury was at least 3 rounds ahead for me coming into the 8th. The 10th he won, I give usyk the 8th, 11th and 12th. He 9, I wasn't sure.
Draw for me. 4 rounds is pathetic.
He didn't though, not consistently and not with any real conviction, I didn't see him really lean on Usyk until over half way through the fight.
I had Fury winning 1,2,5,9,10. I also had the last round as a draw, but it was really borderline and I was tempted to give it to Usyk, so I can see it being a 1 or 2 round fight.
Fury v AJ. Winner gets to fight Chisora
It was a lot closer in totality than the scorecards suggest, but I don’t think it’s egregious and certainly the right man won. Glad what the result, much prefer Usyk, only downside is no trilogy.
Also people befuzzled by Usyks constant ability too step it up as the fights go on
The man’s a warrior and is from a country where his people are being put through a meat grinder daily by a Russian onslaught
He will die in the ring if he is too be beaten
The right man won regardless too how close it “should” have been in score cards
The man’s a warrior and is from a country where his people are being put through a meat grinder daily by a Russian onslaught
He will die in the ring if he is too be beaten
The right man won regardless too how close it “should” have been in score cards
Yeah I’m similar. I am old school and do think you need to do a bit more as the challenger in a tight one and Fury probably didn’t hit that threshold to win the bout but the cards were definitely too wide.
Fury was nowhere near aggressive enough to win that. He'd have a good round and then back off and hand control back to Usyk. He wasn't consistent at all.
Holding and leaning on Usyk with 30s to go when he should have been using his weight advantage a lot more throughout the fight.
Absolutely hilarious to everyone complain about the scoring on the telly, there was no way Fury won that. For Usyk's first question to be about the scorecard was an piss-take.
Holding and leaning on Usyk with 30s to go when he should have been using his weight advantage a lot more throughout the fight.
Absolutely hilarious to everyone complain about the scoring on the telly, there was no way Fury won that. For Usyk's first question to be about the scorecard was an piss-take.
Thought that was a really good fight. Not as dramatic as the first but nevertheless very competitive.
To be honest I’d largely given up on boxing as the heavyweight division had been underwhelming for so many years. Hats off to these two for producing two great contests.
Tonight I assumed Fury would lean on his opponent at every opportunity to make the size and weight count. Surprised that didn’t happen. Either he decided to stand up and fight instead, or Usyk was just too clever to get held up.
Fury was really good in spurts, but Usyk’s relentlessness and stamina meant he was good for large parts. Felt a clear winner by the end, but gosh we’d all have liked another three rounds of that.
Brilliant boxing from two incredible athletes.
To be honest I’d largely given up on boxing as the heavyweight division had been underwhelming for so many years. Hats off to these two for producing two great contests.
Tonight I assumed Fury would lean on his opponent at every opportunity to make the size and weight count. Surprised that didn’t happen. Either he decided to stand up and fight instead, or Usyk was just too clever to get held up.
Fury was really good in spurts, but Usyk’s relentlessness and stamina meant he was good for large parts. Felt a clear winner by the end, but gosh we’d all have liked another three rounds of that.
Brilliant boxing from two incredible athletes.
It was a tough fight but I’m not getting the controversy over the scale of the points decision. Usyk landed the cleaner punches and spent the majority of the fight in the centre of the ring controlling the fight.
I tried to score it with a Tyson bias and going into the last round I thought Usyk was up by two. I have no idea how anyone can find six rounds that Tyson won. Usyk threw more volume, more accurately, and was on the front font against the bigger man.
Whether it was four, two, one, rounds. It doesn’t really matter. Fury didn’t win that fight.
Whether it was four, two, one, rounds. It doesn’t really matter. Fury didn’t win that fight.
3 rounds ahead going into the 8th? So he was 5-2 up? That’s a crazy opinion.
I'd love for you to explain why Usyk landed more punches, a higher percentage of punches, and more power punches, all while controlling the middle of the ring, if he 'couldn't get close.'
In fact, the 4th round was the only round Fury landed more punches than Usyk, and that was only by 1.
8-4 seems about spot on to me.
I didn't think either fighter done enough to win, never mind by 4 rounds.It seems all the close rounds went to Usyk, that's the way it goes sometimes.
Usyk is a class act in and out of the ring good luck to him.
Usyk is a class act in and out of the ring good luck to him.
Whether you agree with 4 rounds or not, the fact is nearly universally everyone agree usyk won. So arguing over how many rounds is irrelevant
Furry vs AJ will be as bad as Brook vs Khan, should have happened years ago.
Yeah for be Usyk won reasonably easily, good fight mind.
It’s being debated by people who have a high degree of bias. I don’t think Usyk won the margin he did, but I’m still totally convinced he won.
If you don’t agree with the result - fine, state the rounds you feel Fury won. But using the arguement “it’s debatable, look at the TV folk saying it!” is as ridiculous as saying a penalty was justifiably given to City because everyone on blue moon says it is.
Fury was way too heavy, he'd regularly have success with a punch or small combination, but was too tired and slow to follow it up.
I'm curious if all these Fury fans making excuses think he is a better boxer than Usyk?
On another note, Hearn talking about the Fury/Joshua fight and making it clear it's about the money. Absolute cretin, but people will lap it up.
On another note, Hearn talking about the Fury/Joshua fight and making it clear it's about the money. Absolute cretin, but people will lap it up.
Against a much bigger man too. But yes, Usyk controlled that fight.
I had it Usyk by a round. Much the busier fighter and got to give him huge respect for controlling the centre of the ring against a much bigger, natural heavyweight.
Lack of class by Fury leaving the ring without congratulating Usyk or giving an interview. He’s done. Wouldn’t be surprised if the next time we heard from him was in some cameo appearance in Fast And Furious 15.
Lack of class by Fury leaving the ring without congratulating Usyk or giving an interview. He’s done. Wouldn’t be surprised if the next time we heard from him was in some cameo appearance in Fast And Furious 15.
So how good was the heavyweight era of Fury, AJ and Wilder?
The only sound Fury fan post I’ve seen.
Because he couldn’t. Between the ref breaking them up and Usyk slipping and sliding out and away, Fury didn’t get many chances to even try. He also got flurries of effective punches when trying to get in recklessly.
Why does against a bigger man keep getting brought up for a reason why he won? It makes no difference to the scoring.
You could out a light weight in there buzzing around throwing 500 punches against a heavy weight, doesn’t mean he’d ever win.
Someone the weight class below came in and showed them all up. Says it all.
Fury should bow out, he'll gain nothing fighting the likes of AJ.Hes had a great career.
Fair scoring? Did u see the Allen v fisher fight on the undercard.Maybe Saudi is investing in fair scoring, to a degree, over pushing the money fighter more... which to be fair, if is a consistent thing, would actually push me towards asking for more fights to be in Saudi over Vegas.... no way that's a UD in America.
But Usyk-Dubois is such a massive massive drop off in appeal for so many reasons that they'll be more likely to actually UP the price for Fury-Joshua
To beat the champ you have to beat the champ. Even if you think it was that close, which I don't, Fury doesn't win the belts with that kind of effort. Usyk dominated the fight apart from a handful of rounds where Fury upped his performance.
Hahaha. Fury Should retire because it Will most probably continue to go downhill from here. Chisora vs Wallin will be a fun Watch though.
To be fair there's a pretty high degree of bias in here too, far more folks rooting for Usyk than Fury, I think I've even seen it suggested that Usyk be considered the GOAT.
But having said that, I agree with your assessment of the fight, there isn't really an argument to be made that Fury won this one, Usyk won a close but clear decision.
The AI judge had it at 118-112 Usyk
I’m not a Fury fan. I tried scoring with a bias for him to counter the very conscious bias I have against him.
He didn't try though, in fact he had more success leaning on Usyk later in the fight when he was getting caught more, so your logic doesn't really add up.
Either way I think we're agreed that Fury shouldn't have come in with all that weight, he had more success in the first fight when he could follow up his successful attacks - he had plenty of good moments again in this fight, but was too tired and slow to capitalise on any of them.
Think it was the right result but no way was it 4 rounds, I had Usyk by 2, he was better fighter the second half of the fight and the 1st 5 were extremely close.