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Turning into a fun fight this. Fury throws a nice range of punches but alot of them look like arm punches. Chisora's big haymakers look savage but his boxing skills are non-existent. Both their footwork is fecking dire. Tehy look drunk.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Turning into a fun fight this. Fury throws a nice range of punches but alot of them look like arm punches. Chisora's big haymakers look savage but he his boxing skills are non-existent.
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It's like Chisora is playing whack-a-mole at the fun fair, I can just imagine every time I see him swing he's seeing Tysons face look like the little whack-a-moles ducking up and down with that permanent grin he seems to have.
 
Why does Fury smile like Desperate Dan so often .

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Punch punch, *Joey pose for the crowd* 'How you doin?' punch punch, salute the crowd, smile, punch punch, *The Fonz pose for the crowd* 'Ayyyyyyyyy' smile.

:lol: wtf is this, is he going to hit him back or just keep telling him he didn't hit him.
 
I don't even understand how it's possible for Hopkins to still be fighting at such a high level. He made Pascal look like a novice bar the first couple of rounds in their first fight. If he ends up beating Dawson later this year it will take the piss.

It's amazing that someone like Ryan Giggs is still playing at the level he is at the age of 37 but B-Hop's 40 fecking 6! Unreal.
 
Amazing that Floyd Snr and Uncle Rog haven't been accusing him of being on roids...
 
Paul McCloskeys getting the chance he deserves after the Khan fight. He fights Prescott in a WBA title eliminator. However just as exciting in my opinion is the main supporting bout, Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez for the Super Bantamweight European title.

Frampton, Barry McGuigans young protege, is only 10 fights into his pro career and this will be a big ask. Some reckon it may be too much too soon but Frampton is a great prospect and I'm confident he'll do it. He has fast hand and puts together some beautiful combinations. If he gets through this I'm tipping him to become a World Title holder at some stage during his career, I reckon as it stands he could beat Willie Casey and after a few defenses I reckon he could handle Munroe.
 
Mayweather/Ortiz - The HBO Face Off. Some good stuff in there, despite Kellerman. Floyd makes me laugh.

 
Meh, he fought Marquez in 2009, Mosely in 2010, it's not like his 2 year retirement beforehand. Unless I've lost track of time and I'm getting it wrong. I thought this 'break' was more about not being able to fix it with Manny and not really a retirement so to speak.

It's not like it will make any difference anyway, we all know he's been in the gym every day since the fight. It's not as if he's walking into the ring thinking 'what do I do now' his annihilation of Marquez showed that.
 
Zarlak said:
Meh, he fought Marquez in 2009, Mosely in 2010, it's not like his 2 year retirement beforehand. Unless I've lost track of time and I'm getting it wrong. I thought this 'break' was more about not being able to fix it with Manny and not really a retirement so to speak.

It's not like it will make any difference anyway, we all know he's been in the gym every day since the fight. It's not as if he's walking into the ring thinking 'what do I do now' his annihilation of Marquez showed that.
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The Marquez fight was a joke. He handpicked a guy who had never fought above 135, agreed to fight him at a catchweight (144), and still came in a couple of pounds over.

Not his finest hour.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
The Marquez fight was a joke. He handpicked a guy who had never fought above 135, agreed to fight him at a catchweight (144), and still came in a couple of pounds over.

Not his finest hour.
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True, but I thought it was written in that Floyd could come in over the catchweight? My point was more around his break won't be all it's made out to be, he still smashed Marquez 12 rounds to 0 after not fighting for 2 years. He's still working as hard every day in the gym despite whatever break he may be on. There were no signs he had been away. You'd think after that long a break, that Marquez would have gotten at least a round in (although if I remember correctly one judge did give him a solitary round while the others marked it a whitewash)

That was my point, more the fact that he's been away won't mean all that much.
 
I agree with your point 100%. That fight just annoyed me. Floyd had to pay $300,000 for every pound over he weighed in at.
 
You have to admit that the way Floyd can come back after these long breaks and look just as good as ever is impressive.

It's a good fight this, though - Ortiz is young, hungry, talented and coming off a great win. Oh, and he's fecking massive for a welterweight.
 
When is the Floyd v Ortiz fight and what is it being shown on?
 
17th September.

Hasn't been announced yet, as far as I know. I would guess Sky Sports 1.
 
Interesting video that one Lance.

Mayweather at the end :lol: "I'm gonna destroy this kid man."
 
PBF can still sell a fight. He's a funny guy. Ortiz isn't used to such build up and looked a little akward, but there was some decent moments. A fight to really look forward to.
 
Pavlik has pulled out of the Cunningham fight. Says the Bute fight is off, too. He is blaming the money on offer.

How many chances does he want? He's done.
 
That's his top-level career over then.

Never really seen anyone capitulate so violently after one defeat. Hopkins outclassed him but it was hardly a Calzaghe-Lacy type of beatdown. He's been bollocks ever since.

He's meant to have an alcohol problem or something isn't he?
 
Yeah, he has been in rehab. He was in the news recently when the cops were called to the family home after a fight between Kelly and his brother. Apparently he broke a window and pulled his brother through it. He was gone when the cops made the scene. He maintains he is still sober. It's not the first such incident. He has pulled out of numerous fights.

That aside, pissing in the face of Showtime after they have bent over backwards to get his career back on track is just retarded.
 
Yeah I remember the Williams bout being cancelled. Why's he pulled out the Cunningham fight though? I don't get it. Especially as it's such a late withdrawal. Couldn't he have just got this out the way and then looked for an alternative to the Bute fight?

I doubt any of the American networks will be scrambling to televise his future fights from now on. For what it's worth I think he's going to struggle at super middleweight anyway.
 
Super middleweight contender Kelly Pavlik spoke to NBC affiliate WFMJ and told the outlet that his withdrawal from this Saturday's fight with Darryl Cunningham was a "business decision." Pavlik is not happy with money involved in his two fight deal, which involved the bout with Cunningham and a fall showdown with IBF champion Lucian Bute of Canada.

A source close to Pavlik said the boxer was not pleased after finding out that Danish superstar Mikkel Kessler was offered a far greater sum to face Bute. Pavlik was reportedly going to receive a bit over $1 million dollars. Pavlik's worth is not even close to Kessler at the moment, based on his recent performances and antics outside of the ring.

"The fight is off and the Bute fight is not going to happen. I'm not going to fight a southpaw for peanuts," Pavlik said.

The bout with Cunningham was taking place in Pavlik backyard of Youngstown, Ohio and Showtime was set to televise.
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What a tool.
 
Blob Arum's take:

Kelly Pavlik’s promoter suspects the embattled former middleweight champion’s abrupt withdrawal from a tune-up fight against Darryl Cunningham had more to do with desire than money.

“The way I read it is that he doesn’t want to fight anymore,” Top Rank founder Bob Arum said Tuesday. “And it’d be wrong to really force him to fight.”

Arum hasn’t spoken to Pavlik since Pavlik informed manager Cameron Dunkin that he wouldn’t face Cunningham for $50,000 on Saturday night in his hometown of Youngstown, Ohio. Pavlik also told WFMJ-TV, a Youngstown television station, that he won’t fight Lucian Bute, either, because he’s “not going to fight a southpaw for peanuts.”

Arum said Top Rank offered Pavlik a $1.35 million guarantee to challenge the unbeaten Bute for the IBF super middleweight title. That fight was tentatively scheduled for Nov. 5 at Bell Centre in Montreal, the Romanian-born Bute’s adopted hometown.

Pavlik reportedly is bothered because he thinks Denmark’s Mikkel Kessler was offered $3 million for battling Bute, before Kessler declined and Bute’s handlers turned their attention to Pavlik.

“This whole thing with Mikkel Kessler, that was like fantasy,” Arum said. “That was an excuse, [saying] that Kessler, if he fought Bute, would get $3 million. That’s silly. Was it written anyplace? Probably, with one of these Web sites. But Showtime was paying $2 million for the fight, plus the gate, and the other guy [Bute] has got to get paid. So $1.35 million was a good guarantee and he could’ve made more.”

Arum added that Top Rank struck a 60-40 deal with Quebec-based Interbox, which promotes Bute, and that Pavlik was to receive 82 percent of Top Rank’s 40-percent split.

“I don’t know what more you can do,” Arum said. “So it seems to me, coming the way it did, the week of the fight, it seems to me that he has second thoughts about fighting.

“From what I understand, he really wasn’t giving it his all in sparring. A lot of these people in Youngstown, they’re well-meaning, like Jack Loew [Pavlik’s trainer]. They do what they can to cover up and the hope is that it’ll all come right [by fight night]. But it just isn’t the case.”

Pavlik, 29, has fought just once since losing the WBC and WBO middleweight titles to Sergio Martinez 15 months ago in Atlantic City. Pavlik pulled out of a super middleweight fight scheduled for Nov. 13 on the Manny Pacquiao-Antonio Margarito undercard to enter a Southern California rehabilitation center for alcohol abuse.

After two months of treatment, Pavlik returned to training and boxed Alfonso Lopez on the Pacquiao-Shane Mosley undercard May 7 in Las Vegas. He wasn’t impressive against Lopez (21-1, 16 KOs), whom Pavlik defeated by majority decision in a 10-round super middleweight fight.

That subpar performance prompted Pavlik (37-2, 32 KOs) to take a tune-up fight against Cunningham (23-2, 10 KOs), a left-hander fighter from Detroit, before boxing Bute (29-0, 24 KOs), a much more talented southpaw.

Pavlik remains under contract with Top Rank, which his promoted him throughout his career. But Arum isn’t sure if Pavlik will fight again.

“He might have a change of heart,” Arum said. “I really don’t think that anybody should force him or encourage him. It’s up to him. Unless he truly, truly wants to come back and fight, without having other people trying to push him, the same thing is going to happen again.”

Arum is much more concerned with Pavlik’s comeback outside the ring.

“I’m not trained in this, but from what I hear he’s not talking to his father,” Arum said, referring to Mike Pavlik. “I’m really troubled by this. It’s got nothing to do with him fighting or not fighting. I’m past that. I’m really troubled by what’s happening with him as a person. … Basically, he’s a nice kid. How this thing happened, I can’t figure it out. You need a trained psychiatrist to figure this out.”
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Marley is a turd, but this is very interesting,

by Michael Marley

According to Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, there are no remaining issues to prevent a possible mega-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. - provided Mayweather defeats WBC champion Victor Ortiz on September 17 and Pacquiao beats Marquez on November 12.

Arum said - "there are no issues."

I was momentarily stunned by that assertion but picked up my gumshield and moved forward.

"No issues, Bob, what about the drug testing?" I said.

"You tell me me what are the issues," Arum said.

"Drug testing and who handles it," I said weakly.

"There are no issues on that," Arum said. "We accepted the drug testing. That is not a real issue of any kind."

Hey, wait a minute big fella, what about the WADA/USADA dustups?

"It is a non-issue, I am telling you," Arum said. "Because USADA can only handle drug testing in the United States. The USADA can't go there [to the Philippines] - and that's where Manny will do the first part of his training [camp] - and that is that."

Arum explained that testing for this portion of Pacman's training camp would be done by a Filipino lab working under the approval of and procedures of WADA.

Although Arum was not explicit on testing of Pacquiao while he's in America, presumably USADA would be involved with the Nevada State Athletic Commission also having a role.

OK, Bob, then what about the money split, isn't that contentious enough to forestall the so called dream fight?

"There are no issues on that," Arum said. "The split is 50-50 on everything."
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