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Roach lends wisdom, expertise to reconstruction of USA Boxing

MOBILE, Ala. -- The look on Freddie Roach's face was familiar, that intent, focused stare that told you the mind of boxing's foremost trainer was humming.

The look is usually reserved for Manny Pacquiao or Amir Khan, prominent Roach charges who have emerged as superstars under his tutelage. But Roach wasn't here to watch Pacquiao, Khan or any of the other 14 pro fighters in his stable. Roach was here to serve in his capacity as a consultant for USA Boxing, the most well-known member of a new team of coaches, trainers and administrators who have been brought in to rebuild a program that has hit rock bottom.

"There has been a lot of criticism," Roach said. "I haven't been around amateurs since 1977. [But] it looks like we need some help. We are just not getting the job done."

Roach and a handful of other volunteer assistants (yes, volunteers) will work under national coach Joe Zanders, who was hired to replace Dan Campbell in January. The task is daunting: USA Boxing was once a breeding ground for future stars, with legends like Cassius Clay (1960), Joe Frazier (1964), George Foreman (1968), Sugar Ray Leonard (1976), Pernell Whitaker (1984) and Oscar De La Hoya (1992) winning gold medals while in the pipeline. Lately, medals -- any medals -- have been hard to come by.

The U.S. team won four medals in 2000, two in '04 and one in '08. Since De La Hoya's gold in '92, the U.S. has earned just two golds (David Reid, 1996; Andre Ward, 2004) and has not produced a mainstream star since bronze medalist Floyd Mayweather turned pro in '96.

Enter Roach, who knows a thing or two about developing winners. While Zanders and his staff will handle the day-to-day duties, Roach will have considerable input. He plans to visit the team's training center a few weeks at a time when his schedule opens up; he'll import fighters to his Wild Card Boxing Club in Los Angeles when it's not.

Last month, Roach spent three days in L.A. working with flyweight Rau'shee Warren and lightweight Raynell Williams. After working the pads with Warren, Roach noticed the two-time Olympian would often stand in front of his opponent and "admire his work" after throwing a combination, instead of ducking out of the way.

"I told him, 'You have to get out to the side and get that angle,'" Roach said. "These international guys are going to come right back at you. The more active ones are going to have success."

In addition to Roach, Warren and Williams spent time with Alex Ariza, Roach's longtime strength and conditioning coach who has been credited for developing the chiseled physiques of, among others, Pacquiao, Khan and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. On one morning, Warren and Williams accompanied Ariza and Khan to a nearby pool. According to Roach, the two were taken aback by how much swimming Khan did during training. Warren, who can't swim, was so impressed that he vowed to take lessons so he could participate the next time.

Zanders, who has had a friendly relationship with Roach over the years, says he has already seen improvement.

"I was asked by the USOC if I would like to have Freddie as a strategist and it took me a bout a second-and-a-half to say, 'Hell yes,'" Zanders said. "Freddie will admit he doesn't know much about amateurs. But we're talking about fundamental technique. You throw a punch, you have got to think about defense. Rau'shee, he takes a lot of risk and unnecessarily gets scored upon. Freddie has been a big help with that."

A lack of quality sparring partners has been a problem for USA Boxing the last few years. In the past, fighters who were eliminated during the trials were brought to camp to spar with the ones who made the team. Roach has offered to make some of his pro fighters -- including, Roach says, Pacquiao -- available to the U.S. team. Instead of sparring against fighters they have already beaten with styles they are familiar with, U.S. boxers could face Chavez Jr. or Jorge Linares.

"These guys need to be pushed," Roach said. "Sparring with guys they have already beaten, it's like going through the motions. They need challenges. The sparring partners they are going to use are not going to be the losers. They will be my fighters [from] my gym. They will make these guys excel. They are going to have to put up or shut up at that point."

Certainly the 51-year-old Roach doesn't need the extra work. He's one of boxing's busiest trainers -- "I've got four title fights before the end of November," Roach said -- and his gym is always packed with prospects eager to catch his eye. But Roach started working with Pacquiao when he was a raw 122-pounder. He took on Khan right after Khan was flattened in 54 seconds in a fight with Breidis Prescott.

Simply put: Roach enjoys a challenge.

"We have to bring the U.S. team back to where it used to be," Roach said. "I remember the days of '76, of greatness, a lot of exposure. To be honest, the last Olympics, I didn't see any fights. You have to go to these remote cable stations to get them. We have to bring this sport back in America, and I think this is the way to do it. I think we need to teach these kids more skills, more feints. It's kind of a lost art. We have to do it. This is the future of boxing."

Read more: Freddie Roach looks to help U.S. Olympic boxing team as consultant - Chris Mannix - SI.com
 
Morales vs. Matthysse has been announced as WBC light welter title fight. Will be a brutal scrap.

On the undercard of Mayweather-Ortiz as well... tasty.
 
Morales is nuts. Maidana, then Matthysse at junior welter. Crazy.
 
Just watched "The Thrilla in Manila" whilst on my night shift.... :drool:
 
Agbeko/Mares this weekend in the final of the bantam tourney. Agbeko holds the IBF title and if he fights like he fought Perez in the semi, it'll be a long night for Abner.
 
Anyone watch Chagaev vs Povetkin, or Helenius vs Liakhovich?

Good win for Povetkin, but his is an odd situation. Twice mandatory challenger to Wlad, and declined on both occasions, citing "injury." Then Teddy Atlas comes out and says he simply wasn't ready for Wlad. I wonder if he thinks he is now?

Helenius was coming off a KO of Sam Peter (decent KO, actually, though the first knockdown looks like an arm punch). He finished Liakhovich in the same round. Helenius is 6'6", though not overly muscular. He can bang though. No doubt he will be in the mix for a Klit fight soon.
 
According to a report in the New York Post, Golden Boy Promotions President Oscar De La Hoya shelled out a whopping $20 million in connection with the 2007 scandal which saw the the former champion dressed in high heels, fishnet stockings and lingerie. The newspaper cited confidential courthouse sources.

The newspaper published the drag photos of De La Hoya, alongside New York stripper Milana Dravnel, on November 15, 2007, following which the boxer insisted that the pictures were frauds.

De La Hoya, 38, finally admitted the truth in a remarkable Spanish-language interview with Univision on Tuesday, which also saw the fighter say that he contemplated suicide while battling alcohol and drug addictions.

"Let me to tell you, yes, yes, it was me [in those pictures]," De La Hoya said. "I am tired now of lying, of lying to the public and of lying to myself."

De La Hoya said he was high on alcohol and cocaine when the racy photos were snapped.

After De La Hoya launched a campaign to discredit the wild images, Dravnel filed a federal lawsuit against him, claiming that his handlers duped her into agreeing that the photos were manipulated.

They settled the lawsuit out of court, and both sides clammed up, citing a confidentiality agreement.

But courthouse sources advised the paper that De La Hoya paid $20 million to make Dravnel go away. The deal also called for her to give back the heels, lingerie and fishnets that she kept after the kinky photo session.


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Fury is fighting Firtha on 17th Sept. That's got "Points Decision" written all over it.

How exciting :rolleyes:
 
It is actually a step up for him. The guy is 6'6 and went the distance with Povetkin 2 fights ago.

EDIT upon closer inspection, perhaps not. He has been stopped 3 times by turds, and has lost 8 in all. Pffffffffffttttttt.
 
Berto looked alright at the weekend. Still another loss waiting to happen but I'd like to see him in with the likes of Bradley and Khan when they step up to welterweight. Be a good gauge of how they'll cope against bigger guys at a higher weight because Berto is a bit of a physical specimen. Pretty much all he's got going for him, mind, but it's enough to give guys coming up from 140 plenty to think about.
 
Anyone know which channel Klit/Adamek is on? I have read conflicting reports, some saying it will be on Sky Sports, others, on Primetime.
 
Haha have you heard what Prescott said about Khan?

"punk!" :lol:
 
Just booked for me and the lads to go see Nathan Cleverly v Tony Bellew at the Liverpool Echo next month.

Should be decent. They hate each others guts!
 
Yeah forgot that was happening. Should be decent, there's some genuine bad blood there.

Bellew's performances seemed to have stalled a bit recently and I'm not sure he's that good a fighter, really. Cleverly is exciting but will get taken apart by the first skilled technician he faces because he's ridiculously easy to hit. Like I said, though, he's fun to watch.

Is this being televised or anything?
 
Matthysse vs Morales is off. The former apparently suffering from a virus.
 
Yeah forgot that was happening. Should be decent, there's some genuine bad blood there.

Bellew's performances seemed to have stalled a bit recently and I'm not sure he's that good a fighter, really. Cleverly is exciting but will get taken apart by the first skilled technician he faces because he's ridiculously easy to hit. Like I said, though, he's fun to watch.

Is this being televised or anything?

Agreed, although Cleverly looked ropey in his last bout IMO. Especially when you consider his challenger stepped in very last minute...

DeGale on the bill now too.
 
Tomasz Adamek v Vitali Klitschko WBC Heavyweight Title

Paul McCloskey v Breidis Prescott WBA Light-Welter Eliminator

They are the main two I think

Next week is Mayweather v Ortiz
 
McCloskey taking bit of a beating here, Prescott looks much improved. Hope Prescott wins so a long anticipated rematch with khan can be finally setup.

edit: McCloskey getting back into it
 
oh well Prescott robbed...

The size difference between vit & adamek is huge :eek: This is just unfair.

I missed the last 3 rounds of Prescott-McCloskey but Prescott was comfortably winning up until that point. The Vitali fight made for pretty grim viewing. Adamek tried his best but like you say the size difference was just ridiculous. Adamek is a good technician with alot of heart but he had nothing to even gain a foot hold in the fight with.

Gamboa-De Leon is on later too. Likely to be another impressive beatdown by Gamboa, but with De Leon's power you can never count him completely out.
 
Yeah, I would agree with that. The Sky commentary team were atrocious, as usual. At one point, the idiot said "Prescott can't expect to win the fight if he loses the last 5 rounds." Well, he can if he won the first 7 and round 1 was 10-8, you moron.
 
Bit of a disappointing weekend boxing-wise. Klitschko-Adamek was ridiculously one-sided and Gamboa beat Ponce De Leon in a surprisingly dull fight. No idea who he's gonna fight now because Arum seemingly has no intention of making a Lopez fight. Chris John maybe?

Didn't see Prescott-McCloskey, is it worth watching?
 
Does Ortiz have a chance against Floyd then??

I think it will be a decent fight and one which may see Mayweather get put on the canvass. I can see both of them going down to be honest, as Ortiz leaves plenty of gaps when he attacks his opponents. I don't see Mayweather knocking Ortiz out. The safe money would go on a Mayweather points, but I can see it being fairly close.

Watch me be totally wrong now! :lol:
 
I think it will look like the Hatton fight. Ortiz starts aggressively and has a little success early, then starts to get picked apart as the fight goes on, leaving him with two options. Survival, or going for it. After the Maidana quitting debacle, I think he will go for it, and get stopped. Floyd TKO10.
 
I think it will look like the Hatton fight. Ortiz starts aggressively and has a little success early, then starts to get picked apart as the fight goes on, leaving him with two options. Survival, or going for it. After the Maidana quitting debacle, I think he will go for it, and get stopped. Floyd TKO10.



This, although I'd be mildly surprised if Ortiz is stopped. I do give him a chance, but I think it'll be Floyd on points. Hardly going out on a limb but it's what I think!
 
Ortiz is a magnet for right hands.

You cant miss him even if you try to.

Ortiz is just another handpicked opponent.

Easy win for Floyd.
 
Ortiz is a magnet for right hands.

You cant miss him even if you try to.

Ortiz is just another handpicked opponent.

Easy win for Floyd.

Handpicked? Other than Pac, who is a better fight for him at 147? Ortiz is young, strong, a southpaw, he hits hard, and he just ended Berto's unbeaten record.