Joshua is washed.
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one of the most overrated fighters ever. Literally never beat anyone in their prime, heralded as a great at one point. Bang average boxer.
By no means a boxing expert but I kinda see AJ as the boxing equivalent of Rashford.
Just when you think he is back or 'it', he finds a way to fall and let you down. Ultimately overhyped through being British and circumstance, completely undeserving of the status given.
Just when you think he is back or 'it', he finds a way to fall and let you down. Ultimately overhyped through being British and circumstance, completely undeserving of the status given.
Sleep well Eddie.
AJ was dominated from start to finish. Even then, I felt he could have won further down the stretch if he'd been more patient, he went all in far too soon and paid the price.
To launch something of a defence of AJ, he did get caught by one huge wild swing and that totally changed the whole fight... He avoids that and it plays out very different.
With the mood Dubois was in he probably still wins, but it may not have been the complete blow out we saw.
With the mood Dubois was in he probably still wins, but it may not have been the complete blow out we saw.
Great to see Joshua lose, don’t like the guy as a person after his in ring rant after losing to Usyk.
Dubois had the right tactics and performed fantastically well tonight and deserved the win. Whether or not it was a wild swing or not that caught him, AJ didn’t defend himself properly from the start. Maybe underestimated his punching power and speed the way he kept his hands low.
I thought Joshua would have walked the fight and was shocked at the result, after seeing how Dubois remained calm after knocking AJ down and stayed patient to claim the win said a lot about the guy.
Rematch clause I heard at the end of the fight so will probably be the next match up for both guys. Failing that AJ might turn to Chisora or Whyte
Dubois had the right tactics and performed fantastically well tonight and deserved the win. Whether or not it was a wild swing or not that caught him, AJ didn’t defend himself properly from the start. Maybe underestimated his punching power and speed the way he kept his hands low.
I thought Joshua would have walked the fight and was shocked at the result, after seeing how Dubois remained calm after knocking AJ down and stayed patient to claim the win said a lot about the guy.
Rematch clause I heard at the end of the fight so will probably be the next match up for both guys. Failing that AJ might turn to Chisora or Whyte
Never celebrated a knock out so much. Dubois was fantastic tonight, he did everything needed to beat AJ and more. Right off the bat he had him fighting on the back foot. Every time AJ has been forced there he's looked thoroughly ordinary. But Dubois looked great doing it too, his speed was too much for him, his power was too much for him, and dare I say it, he looked the more intelligent fighter. After all the stupid talk about how AJ is suddenly more of a "boxer" than a puncher. Glad that bollocks has been well and truly out to bed and all the fan boys have been put back in their place.
The irony of the fight is that the punch everyone was saying was the key for AJ, was actually the key for Dubois.
Good night AJ, it's been a pleasure.
The irony of the fight is that the punch everyone was saying was the key for AJ, was actually the key for Dubois.
Good night AJ, it's been a pleasure.
This is boxing and that punch was on all night. Not only that, he was out thrown by a big margin, and Dubois was looking far better behind the jab also. I don't even see how you make a case for him had that punch not landed, as it was there for the taking the whole fight.
I just go back to that round the table discussion where Dubois said to AJ, “let’s go now” and AJ started throwing his respect toys out of the pram. Oh how silly he looks now. Him saying that he could kick off in the ring in the post fight interview, he was about 5 rounds too late in that idle threat.
His arse got handed to him tonight and Dubois looked razor sharp. AJ’s only fight I can see left is against Fury, on the proviso that Fury doesn’t beat Usyk in his rematch.
His arse got handed to him tonight and Dubois looked razor sharp. AJ’s only fight I can see left is against Fury, on the proviso that Fury doesn’t beat Usyk in his rematch.
Quite sad how so many are celebrating AJ's defeat. Hope you guys judge your own lives by the same standards.
Hardly a reason to hand over your money
Well done quite an achievement to find a way to hate on Rashford while watching a heavyweight boxing match
I heard it was booed but because Elong and his cronies on twitter now I can't find a playback of it.Saudi national anthem at Wembley
This. Cleverly overhyped to make money I reckon.
Had they ever fought, Fury would have knocked the head off him
Very impressed with Dubois, he really has improved since the Usyk fight, more patient, using his jap more effectively and setting traps. Until his recent fights he was more brawling. Ironically he’s a far more destructive heavyweight because of that. AJ hasn’t been the same boxer since he lost to Ruiz and that was years ago now.
Bollox
I'm no AJ fan but Ruiz, Stiverne, Wilder and Parker are worse than him. His record is equal to Fury's.
Only Usyk and now Dubois can be held above him.
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Anyway, there’s only one boxer going to dominate heavyweight boxing, if not all of boxing, for quite a while and probably in the not too distant future.
I am not a big fan of AJ. I have always seen him as a great athlete who boxes, rather than a great boxer, but he deserves some credit for that.
The more I watch it, the more I can’t believe that he got up and continued after that first shot. He is clearly out of it, but it would be unfair to question his desire after that. It’s an absolutely massive shot.
The more I watch it, the more I can’t believe that he got up and continued after that first shot. He is clearly out of it, but it would be unfair to question his desire after that. It’s an absolutely massive shot.
AJ has done an awful lot for British boxing, perhaps more than any other boxer.
He has never really got the credit he deserved for beating Wlad. He was inexperienced at that stage and I just felt that Wlad was going to use that fight to announce himself again. Kitschko was by that stage fairly old, but it was clear he had put so much into his camp and looked fantastic, imo better than he looked against Fury. AJ, on the other hand, was very young to be fighting a boxer of Kitschko's experience and pedigree.
That raw version might just have been peak AJ, even though he became a two time champ and deserves a lot of credit for that.
Povetkin should also count as an impressive defence. Probably did better than expected versus Usyk, but still came up short due to a weak left jab.
Tonight, it wasn't good at all for him. He got sucked into a toe to toe slugfest, which was clearly Dubois' plan, landing the first big punch. It kind of played on his ego a bit and was a simple but smart move.
He has never really got the credit he deserved for beating Wlad. He was inexperienced at that stage and I just felt that Wlad was going to use that fight to announce himself again. Kitschko was by that stage fairly old, but it was clear he had put so much into his camp and looked fantastic, imo better than he looked against Fury. AJ, on the other hand, was very young to be fighting a boxer of Kitschko's experience and pedigree.
That raw version might just have been peak AJ, even though he became a two time champ and deserves a lot of credit for that.
Povetkin should also count as an impressive defence. Probably did better than expected versus Usyk, but still came up short due to a weak left jab.
Tonight, it wasn't good at all for him. He got sucked into a toe to toe slugfest, which was clearly Dubois' plan, landing the first big punch. It kind of played on his ego a bit and was a simple but smart move.
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Having watched the full fight, Joshua fighting with hands down like he's Tommy Hearns against a super heavy-handed man was absolutely ridiculous.
He's not got the ability to do that and this is the heaviest puncher he's ever faced. If that was tactical, it was a road to failure. I'd like to think shell shock got the better of him.
An aggressive Dubois is a massive problem because it negates his terrible head movement and plays to his strengths, and in a fire fight he presents a threat those above want no part of.
He was robbed against Usyk last time and Fury no longer has the reflexes to evade him for 12 rounds. I think both will duck him for as long as possible.
He's not got the ability to do that and this is the heaviest puncher he's ever faced. If that was tactical, it was a road to failure. I'd like to think shell shock got the better of him.
An aggressive Dubois is a massive problem because it negates his terrible head movement and plays to his strengths, and in a fire fight he presents a threat those above want no part of.
He was robbed against Usyk last time and Fury no longer has the reflexes to evade him for 12 rounds. I think both will duck him for as long as possible.
He's been digging out Joshua for a long time and he can't hide his delight. Better make sure he's nowhere where Joshua is.
Dubois was extremely classy in victory. Even in the ring, for the best sporting moment of his life, he didn't laud it over an opponent who had being trying to belittle him in the build up. He even went to check on him before celebrating.
Aye, biggest win of his career was scraping past 41 year-old Wlad at Wembley. 2 years out the ring for Wlad at the time after Fury had breezed past him in Germany which is notorious for giving dodgy decisons to the home promoters fighters.
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He's certainly on the right path but has a way to go yet.
Wlad vs AJ is one of my best ever fights it had everything but AJ’s career has been downhill since that fight and ultimately a disappointment
I fear he won’t retire and will go out with 7-8 losses on his record
I fear he won’t retire and will go out with 7-8 losses on his record
The only big win on AJ's resume is Wlad and he was finished by then. He is easily the most overrated boxer of his time.
Very much this
Sportsmanship personified, Well done Dubois, great respect
Not an AJ fan, nor an AJ hater either, but all those saying he’s finished, there will be a rematch wether you think there should be or not.
The outcome of that rematch will decide wether AJ hangs his Gloves up and sails into the sunset with his £100 million in the bank laughing at those saying “he’s finished”, not a bad way too finish minted beyond comprehension, or wether he goes on too win rematch setting up the big money ball Fury Usyk trio, if that happens then I feel boxing has become scripted like wrestling
That's a wild take. AJ fought almost nothing but title defences up until his second loss to Usyk. After Vlad, he beat Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Takam and Pulev.
The loss last night will be a bad look if he doesn't avenge it, but to call his career a disappointment is ridiculous
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It’s not sensational either
Where’s his fights vs Wilder, Fury, Joyce
His record shouldn’t be crapped on I agree, but there’s too many fights we haven’t seen on his record for me too admire it
Not sensational, but better than every other heavyweight bar Usyk.
It's a shame too, as Wilder was offered a 100m contract to join dzn for 3 fights including AJ, but ducked him to fight Ortiz again. And Fury has strung Hearn and AJ along at least twice only to not take the fight
He does seem like a top guy. Disappointed for AJ but very pleased for Dubois.
Wlad looked worse against Fury because Fury made him look worse. He gave him a boxing lesson. Don't believe he didn't prepare properly for the fight or anything like that, Wlad hates Fury and would have absolutely wanted to go out there and beat him. This was 2 or 3 years prior to AJ fighting him too.
Just caught up with the highlights but how did Joshua not see that big right coming in the very first round? That had a good 5-10 second wind up on it before it landed on his chin. He was gone after that. No way he was dodging anything else when the head is in cuckoo land.
Fury fought Wilder 3x, the same Wilder everyone wanted AJ to fight for years. But sure who ducked who, but Fury took that fight when the world considered Wilder a dangerous fight. Just because he dispatched him with ease, you can't take that away from him. Pre Fury, Wilder would have absolutely given AJ a tough fight and could have easily beat him. He's a joke now and seems to have less desire and has had a look took out of him with the trilogy fights, but he was a different prospect back then.
It was poor in a way from AJ, but also nice from Dubois. He was out of range and stepped in nicely to land it. Think AJ thought he was safe in that brief moment, but you can't take those risks at that level. AJ is just a mess on the back foot altogether, and not a good boxer technically. Hence this type of mistake.
I can’t argue much against that, it’s quite a poor showing really that the only decent record really, is Usyk
Even Fury’s fight record isn’t one too be admired, fair enough he schooled Wlad in 2015, he took on Wilder when at the time, Wilder was feared, but that’s it really, as far as fights that impress me go on Fury’s record.
The fights we truly wanted too see just haven’t been made because promotors and fighters were following the tactical money route rather than what the fight fans want too see
Yet we are lead too believe Heavy weight boxing is in a great place in recent months. Far from it in my book
Wilder is an interesting case. He's going to retire with his best win being Ortiz. That's really embarrassing. His is arguably the most padded record in boxing history, and that's not even hyperbole.
Added to that, anyone who ever watched a Wilder fight will know that he was not a good boxer. Laughable technique and work rate. Rangey and powerful though.
I struggle to give Fury much credit for the Wilder wins. I think his knockout of Whyte is far more notable