The RedCafe Boxing Thread

The Cat said:
Biggest problem he has now is no chance of another warm up fight before Usyk.

That will be the difference in my opinion. Always thought he would beat Usyk right now but not as rusty as he looks.
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I think he'd look a different fighter for that tbh.

If there's talk of that happening before the end of the year...there's no way a heavyweight boxer is extending themselves in another fight only 6-7 weeks before. Particularly not when they have a potential multi million pound payday at steak. If Fury had gone all out tonight and picked up a muscle or tendon injury, that's 6-8 weeks of recovery.
 
padr81 said:
Fury, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world, landed 71 of the 223 punches he threw. Ngannou, a 0-0 novice, landed 59 of 231. But after the ten rounds, Ngannou had landed 5 more power punches than Fury, not to mention delivered the only knockdown blow of the fight.
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Thanks! I personally can't see how Fury could have got more than a draw, felt like nothing clean was hit and outside the pitiful final round Fury was taking cover for long periods.
 
Absolutely definite Ngannou win. The giveaway is how gracefully he accepted the decision- probably all contractually pre-agreed Tyson would never lose on points.
 
When you consider the almighty Jake Paul boxes MMA fighters in his weight class and dispatches them, it's all very chastening
 
Berbasbullet said:
Thanks! I personally can't see how Fury could have got more than a draw, felt like nothing clean was hit and outside the pitiful final round Fury was taking cover for long periods.
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I feel that punch Fury landed first which didn't even faze N'gannou made Fury think...feck. Was N'gannou even a little bit troubled tonight? :lol:
 
Fortitude said:
There's a lotttt more money in the farcical world of boxing. Francis is never going back and MMA can no longer afford him after that performance.
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He signed with PFL earlier this year. I think at least 10 million per fight (plus 2 million guaranteed to his opponent) and his fights lasts like a few minutes at most, so not a bad deal at all.
 
noodlehair said:
I think he'd look a different fighter for that tbh.

If there's talk of that happening before the end of the year...there's no way a heavyweight boxer is extending themselves in another fight only 6-7 weeks before. Particularly not when they have a potential multi million pound payday at steak. If Fury had gone all out tonight and picked up a muscle or tendon injury, that's 6-8 weeks of recovery.
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Ok I can see that argument but he looked way short of close to capable tonight imo.
 
Red Royal said:
Absolutely definite Ngannou win. The giveaway is how gracefully he accepted the decision- probably all contractually pre-agreed Tyson would never lose on points.
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Yep also the final round no one doing anything, felt like Fury knew he'd get the win.
 
JP77 said:
Think it was quite obvious something was up with him which is quite easy to believe considering his mental health issues. Nothing like his usual self during that fight or after the fight.

I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t still beat Usyk and find it funny that casuals are turning up here to claim Usyk will smash him. This is the same Usyk that should have likely lost to Dubois let’s not forget. It’ll be absolutely nothing like this fight, the size difference will be absolutely huge against Usyk. All comes down to Fury mentally.
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I mean that says it all though. Fury is relying on the fact that Usyk is a cruiserweight and about 6 inches shorter to beat him.

Also, you have no idea about Fury’s mental health currently. There’s been no news on him having issues, he’s been in the public eye plenty giving interviews. Pretty poor to use this as an excuse for him.
 
Lay said:
I feel that punch Fury landed first which didn't even faze N'gannou made Fury think...feck. Was N'gannou even a little bit troubled tonight? :lol:
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Even an elbow didn't bother him! What a monster!
 
Walter Sobchak said:
We've seen plenty of robberies in boxing lads but that wasn't one of them.
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Are you lot counting every punch Fury threw at Ngannou's gloves or something? He landed feck all in most rounds in that fight, whereas Ngannou landed a few decent shots in every round.
 
padr81 said:
Fury, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world, landed 71 of the 223 punches he threw. Ngannou, a 0-0 novice, landed 59 of 231. But after the ten rounds, Ngannou had landed 5 more power punches than Fury, not to mention delivered the only knockdown blow of the fight.
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Are you using this as evidence fury “clearly” won?
 
Berbasbullet said:
Thanks! I personally can't see how Fury could have got more than a draw, felt like nothing clean was hit and outside the pitiful final round Fury was taking cover for long periods.
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I agree for the most part jsut not on the scoring, Fury just boxed a bit cleverer than him. Francis is certainly the only one taking plaudits, but like most live scorecards I had it 96-93 Fury with a strong case for 95-94 given round 10 was dogshit. Francis landed alot of those big shots in 2 rounds, round 3 and round 7. Other than that he landed less than Fury.
 
padr81 said:
Fury, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world, landed 71 of the 223 punches he threw. Ngannou, a 0-0 novice, landed 59 of 231. But after the ten rounds, Ngannou had landed 5 more power punches than Fury, not to mention delivered the only knockdown blow of the fight.
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But this isn't amateur boxing where that is everything. This is the pros and scoring assessment is about a lot more than number of hits landed. Frampton gave it N'Gannou; he knows more about boxing than any judge.
 
Can't believe it really what an embarrassment for Fury I've not seen the fight but just the reception from this alone is ridiculous. I'll watch when on replay as the only bout I planned to watch is the Prograis / Haney in December.

The thing with heavyweight boxing is the power is the ultimate equaliser so if there's an upset it in mixing two different sport disciplines it will seldom happen in other divisions outside of the heavyweights as the skill gap is less substantial. Consider Wilder someone who has absolutely no fundamentals whatsoever loads up, doesn't pivot or move laterally and essentially held the WBC for half a decade. Joshua starts at 17, very text book fighter simplistic and gets an Olympic gold alongside being two time unified champion.
 
padr81 said:
I agree for the most part jsut not on the scoring, Fury just boxed a bit cleverer than him. Francis is certainly the only one taking plaudits, but like most live scorecards I had it 96-93 Fury with a strong case for 95-94 given round 10 was dogshit. Francis landed alot of those big shots in 2 rounds, round 3 and round 7. Other than that he landed less than Fury.
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Fair enough! I can't say I agree but respect your reasoning.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Why?
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I feel a close fight that you can make an argument for either person winning cannot be considered a robbery. Boxing has seen some criminal decisions but I just don't think that was one of them.

Despite how emotionally invested people seem to be in the Frank story. Fury looked like shit and Frank was much more impressive than I was expecting.
 
Lay said:
I feel that punch Fury landed first which didn't even faze N'gannou made Fury think...feck. Was N'gannou even a little bit troubled tonight? :lol:
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As Tyson himself would say, he's cut from a different cloth is Francis :lol: Not to mention he fought everyone put in front of him in the UFC and never slipped and skated around competition.
 
Fortitude said:
But this isn't amateur boxing where that is everything. This is the pros and scoring assessment is about a lot more than number of hits landed. Frampton gave it N'Gannou; he knows more about boxing than any judge.
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Boxing is scored round by round though and Fury seemed to do more though very little in the close rouonds. The big issue being the two clearest rounds were Ngannou 3 and Ngannou 7 which coloured I htink alot of opinions along with the underdog factor. Its also coloured by the fact Francis could hurt Tyson and Tyson couldn't hurt Francis.

I was praying Fury would go down again in 7 when Francis rocked him but no way do I think Francis won 5 rounds and I'd love to see the 5 Frampton scored for him..
 
FriedClams said:
the stats are frankly embarrassing for fury. How anyone can think he clearly won is a wind up, or wrong
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Whats embarrasing is his performance against a novice but you don't get bonus points or deductions for that. It was a fight where the only real action came in rounds 3 and 7 and Ngannou won them both clearly but Fury kept edging out the shite rounds.
 
When Fury is saying Francis was 'awkward'. I can only think its because Fury tried leaning on the guy but couldn't budge him. He constantly did this to Wilder and wore him down, but N'gannou was so strong in the clinch. Fury had no answer to that and it showed. If only he had another point docked for the elbow.
 
padr81 said:
Fury, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world, landed 71 of the 223 punches he threw. Ngannou, a 0-0 novice, landed 59 of 231. But after the ten rounds, Ngannou had landed 5 more power punches than Fury, not to mention delivered the only knockdown blow of the fight.
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So he's been knocked down in one round, landed 5 fewer power punches, and only landed an average of just over one more punch a round in total, but somehow he's supposed to have won 4 more rounds than his opponent. It makes absolutely no sense.
 
The fix was in. Sad reality is that Ngannou was never winning that fight. He could have flatlined Fury in the middle of the ring and even then they might have given Tyson the draw. The brown envelopes were in full flow, for sure.
 
You know I'm always in here defending Fury, but he was bad tonight. Didn't show a thing that makes him so good. He looked sloppy, sluggish, lacking focus and made basic mistakes.

Was very impressed by Ngannou, on that performance he'd give anyone a fight. It'd be interesting to see him stick around in boxing and see where he can go with it.

I think Fury won the fight by a round or two, but that doesn't say a lot.
 
Even in the rubbish rounds, Fury wasn't the one hitting the more significant hits.
 
padr81 said:
Boxing is scored round by round though and Fury seemed to do more though very little in the close rouonds. The big issue being the two clearest rounds were Ngannou 3 and Ngannou 7 which coloured I htink alot of opinions along with the underdog factor. It’s also coloured by the fact Francis could hurt Tyson and Tyson couldn't hurt Francis.

I was praying Fury would go down again in 7 when Francis rocked him but no way do I think Francis won 5 rounds and I'd love to see the 5 Frampton scored for him..
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He give him the opening 4 rounds so not difficult to see where he got another 1 or 2 from.
 
padr81 said:
Fury, the WBC heavyweight champion of the world, landed 71 of the 223 punches he threw. Ngannou, a 0-0 novice, landed 59 of 231. But after the ten rounds, Ngannou had landed 5 more power punches than Fury, not to mention delivered the only knockdown blow of the fight.
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71 punches. Really? I find that hard to believe and even if it’s true, this isn’t point-sparing. Fury was completely hopeless in there, Francis delivered all the telling blows, including a knockdown.

It’s very obviously rigged to feck and I’m not annoyed because Francis lost, I’m annoyed because the credibility of boxing is falling below where I thought possible. It’s almost WWE now, predetermined for a script based on money. Which is fine if you like that, but I prefer sport
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Fury will pick up an injury in training and the fight will be postponed.

No way is he fighting again in December.
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He won’t be allowed to fight again in 8 weeks. He’ll need time off training after getting knocked down and there’s no way he’s having a short camp for Usyk. I’m not sure if there is a mandatory suspension for getting knocked down in boxing, or if it’s just when you lose the fight by knockout.
 
The Cat said:
Ok I can see that argument but he looked way short of close to capable tonight imo.
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I genuinely think he just took this for the money and it was an inconvenience for him, which is why he looked so off it.

Again if Usyk is on the horizon its a no brainer. The only priority would have been not getting injured or beat up so bad it affected preparation. The judges/money men took care of the rest. There was nothing riding on this fight for Fury apart from not losing out on the Usyk fight.

Maybe that is cynical but, it's boxing.

Still doesn't change that Francis looked pretty impressive.
 
TwoSheds said:
So he's been knocked down in one round, landed 5 fewer power punches, and only landed an average of just over one more punch a round in total, but somehow he's supposed to have won 4 more rounds than his opponent. It makes absolutely no sense.
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Yeah because the rounds Francis won were far bigger and more dominant and he won them by miles. He dropped him in 3 and was comfortably on top and in 7 he was unlucky not to drop him again.
 
TwoSheds said:
So he's been knocked down in one round, landed 5 fewer power punches, and only landed an average of just over one more punch a round in total, but somehow he's supposed to have won 4 more rounds than his opponent. It makes absolutely no sense.
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Of course it can make sense. I know this didn’t happen, but Ngannou could have landed all of his punches in a single round. Still only wins him that 1 round.
 
padr81 said:
Whats embarrasing is his performance against a novice but you don't get bonus points or deductions for that. It was a fight where the only real action came in rounds 3 and 7 and Ngannou won them both clearly but Fury kept edging out the shite rounds.
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see you’re wrong here, those close rounds i would wager there was no clear aggressor for the 3 minutes, so what judges normally do is ensure that each fighter gets a close round. There were without any shadow of a doubt, 5 Rounds that should have been scored a draw.
 
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