The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Great shot.

Well, I think he's as good as he'll ever be at this stage. May as well throw him in. Someone will be getting knocked out.
 
Nice KO but christ that was a painful performance. I just don't fancy him against anyone good anymore. You could say he was boxing within himself, and that might be true. Didn't exactly seem knackered.
 
Great KO but I don't think he's getting that far with Wilder. Wilder will pounce on his nerves.
 
The finish was a bit reminiscent of when he was coming through the ranks. He was primal back then.

The rest wasn't so much.

But you never know, there isn't a better way to go into a fight with Wilder than that finish. Because ultimately that's what he has to do. They're not going to dance 12 rounds.
 
Nice shot that was but can see wilder knocking Joshua out aswell he's too scared now of what's coming at him questioning himself constantly in the corner Ruiz did a number on him and usyk put the nails in.
 
Abraxas said:
The finish was a bit reminiscent of when he was coming through the ranks. He was primal back then.

The rest wasn't so much.

But you never know, there isn't a better way to go into a fight with Wilder than that finish. Because ultimately that's what he has to do. They're not going to dance 12 rounds.
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I fear for AJ if he fights Wilder. Will be his last fight, he'll retire straight after...
 
Abraxas said:
Great shot.

Well, I think he's as good as he'll ever be at this stage. May as well throw him in. Someone will be getting knocked out.
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He won’t be able to fight off the back foot against Wilder, he’s not good enough and will eat that right hand at some point. his best approach would be to watch what Fury did against Wilder in the second fight. Go for broke, attack from the off and try to put him out. But he doesn’t have the balls for that (any more)
 
He really is Bruno Mk2. Too muscular not agile enough but can still bang if he chooses. Got nothing against him but he's on the way out if he boxes defensively again.
 
T00lsh3d said:
He won’t be able to fight off the back foot against Wilder, he’s not good enough and will eat that right hand at some point. his best approach would be to watch what Fury did against Wilder in the second fight. Go for broke, attack from the off and try to put him out. But he doesn’t have the balls for that (any more)
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I agree, I don't think the technical boxer puncher stuff is a good idea because it limits his chance of landing a big punch but keeps Wilder's chances very live.

Fairly evident Wilder is a big favourite, wouldn't be surprised if he's 1/2 on, but Wilder has had his vulnerable moments not least against an ancient Ortiz.
 
Only had it on radio but they are far from positive despite the win.

Didn’t sound convincing and he seems to have made hard-ish work of a nobody who fought last week.

Can anyone who watched it say he’s ready to step up and go in with the big guns?
 
ChrisNelson said:
Only had it on radio but they are far from positive despite the win.

Didn’t sound convincing and he seems to have made hard-ish work of a nobody who fought last week.

Can anyone who watched it say he’s ready to step up and go in with the big guns?
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Nope. He still looks shell shocked to me. Can't ever seeing him be dominant again.
 
Abraxas said:
I agree, I don't think the technical boxer puncher stuff is a good idea because it limits his chance of landing a big punch but keeps Wilder's chances very live.

Fairly evident Wilder is a big favourite, wouldn't be surprised if he's 1/2 on, but Wilder has had his vulnerable moments not least against an ancient Ortiz.
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Problem with that is Ortiz takes it to fighters, AJ hasn't taken it to a fighter since the Ruiz fight. a 1-2 and jabs ain't enough against Wilder, he'll eat the right hand and it's over.

The same Heleneius took half a right from Wilder in the first round and it was lights out.
 
Can’t tell if that performance was caused by too much fear, a lack of match fitness, getting used to a new style or clever tactics of waiting to exploit the difference in fitness.
 
Abraxas said:
I agree, I don't think the technical boxer puncher stuff is a good idea because it limits his chance of landing a big punch but keeps Wilder's chances very live.

Fairly evident Wilder is a big favourite, wouldn't be surprised if he's 1/2 on, but Wilder has had his vulnerable moments not least against an ancient Ortiz.
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Even short I’ll be tempted to back Wilder heavily. I like AJ actually, much more than most, as I sympathise with his mental frailty. But I just can’t see him being brave enough to go for it and as you say that dramatically increases the odds in Wikders favour.

Ironically being a big dog may suit him, he may feel the pressures off. It’s clear these situations where he’s expected to win (and easily) are fecking awful for him
 
goalscholes said:
Can’t tell if that performance was caused by too much fear, a lack of match fitness, getting used to a new style or clever tactics of waiting to exploit the difference in fitness.
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That performance is nothing new. Since getting beat up by Ruiz he's been completely gun shy because he knows he can be hurt. It's resulted in him trying to become more of a boxer but he looks completely lost.

I said for many years he'd get beat by both Fury and Wilder, even in his better days when he was more aggressive. This new AJ is scared and will be 10x more nervous when put in front of Wilder who won't come to feel him out, but take his head off. If he fights Wilder like he has done in any of his fights over the list few years, he will get eaten alive. If he fought how he used to then he'd have more of a chance but I'd still fancy Wilder.

But he's not going back to that now because reality has dawned on him that he's not a great fighter like everyone built him up to be, and nowhe doubts himself and that's a problem. I'm just glad that more people and pundits are calling a spade a spade with AJ and the charade is over. He's a sitting duck for Wilder.
 
pocco said:
That performance is nothing new. Since getting beat up by Ruiz he's been completely gun shy because he knows he can be hurt. It's resulted in him trying to become more of a boxer but he looks completely lost.

I said for many years he'd get beat by both Fury and Wilder, even in his better days when he was more aggressive. This new AJ is scared and will be 10x more nervous when put in front of Wilder who won't come to feel him out, but take his head off. If he fights Wilder like he has done in any of his fights over the list few years, he will get eaten alive. If he fought how he used to then he'd have more of a chance but I'd still fancy Wilder.

But he's not going back to that now because reality has dawned on him that he's not a great fighter like everyone built him up to be, and nowhe doubts himself and that's a problem. I'm just glad that more people and pundits are calling a spade a spade with AJ and the charade is over. He's a sitting duck for Wilder.
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I’ve never, even at his peak, thought he could lay a glove on Fury. Different class entirely.

He had a chance against Wilder, but not much of one anymore, especially if he boxes as he has recently.
 
If he cracks Wilder he’s done, goes for both of them. Will be a short lived fight regardless of who wins. Should be an exciting match up. Have a feeling Wilder is finished as Fury pummelled him in 2 long hard fights and boxers aren’t usually the same after taking such beating. Hard to say as his last fight didn’t really get started.
Will be a good final payday for the loser.
 
The Ruiz fight was the ending of Joshua. Didn’t know it at the time but it completely changed him as a fighter. From the guy that fought like a lion against Klitschko, into a meek lamb.

From what I heard behind the scenes, AJ caught a hit in training for the Ruiz fight and had a mild concussion. They should’ve cancelled. But he fought anyway, and he unsurprisingly lost. As soon as he took one hit against Ruiz he was toast. A hit on top of a concussion, however mild, is devastating. That decision cost him his career.

Before that, he was a raw fighter but he had talent and heart, and he hit hard. He was aggressive. That’s the only way to play to his strengths. The old AJ would demolish Wilder, who is a terrible boxer; but this version is just a walking heavy bag. He’s going to get battered by a guy who is a clown.
 
pocco said:
That performance is nothing new. Since getting beat up by Ruiz he's been completely gun shy because he knows he can be hurt. It's resulted in him trying to become more of a boxer but he looks completely lost.

I said for many years he'd get beat by both Fury and Wilder, even in his better days when he was more aggressive. This new AJ is scared and will be 10x more nervous when put in front of Wilder who won't come to feel him out, but take his head off. If he fights Wilder like he has done in any of his fights over the list few years, he will get eaten alive. If he fought how he used to then he'd have more of a chance but I'd still fancy Wilder.

But he's not going back to that now because reality has dawned on him that he's not a great fighter like everyone built him up to be, and nowhe doubts himself and that's a problem. I'm just glad that more people and pundits are calling a spade a spade with AJ and the charade is over. He's a sitting duck for Wilder.
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This is bang on and I’ve been saying it for years.

Joshua chewed through the earlier ranks and even in doing so he never demonstrated great technical boxing or versatility. I said he’d go far but would be completely found out at the top end of the division and that is exactly how his career laid out.

I really don’t understand why his trainers and advisors didn’t build him up better during those climbing years; it was pretty evident what would happen. By the time you get to the Ruiz fight and it’s too late for him to truly adapt his style it’s done.

A later stage fighter trying to completely alter their fighting, and on the back of all lost confidence because he spent the majority of his career having smoke blown up his arse by fans and his inner circle.

It wasn’t as if he was a monster like Wilder where he could rely on brute force to the top, he’s a level below that in KO-merchant regards. And he is miles off being a great technician like Fury.

AJ could have been something special but he was completely let down by an inadequate inner circle and media hype. Of course we’re talking like he’s a bum; when he clearly wasn’t and he did reach the top of the sport which can’t be taken away, but he could have been a lot more. He should have had title-longevity and a unifier.
 
Yeah before the Ruiz defeat, maybe even a fight or two after that I'd still have fancied AJ to beat Wilder, due to being just so much better at boxing overall, but now? Could be an ugly way for AJ to go out, which he probably should. He looks cooked.

I'm still gutted we didn't get Fury/AJ years and years ago, and it one of the many reasons to hate how Boxing operates.
 
Judas said:
Yeah before the Ruiz defeat, maybe even a fight or two after that I'd still have fancied AJ to beat Wilder, due to being just so much better at boxing overall, but now? Could be an ugly way for AJ to go out, which he probably should. He looks cooked.
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To be fair all Wilder has done in his last 3/4 fights is get absolutely destroyed and barely win a round
 
cyberman said:
To be fair all Wilder has done in his last 3/4 fights is get absolutely destroyed and barely win a round
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I wouldn't say that but despite that, he still hasn't looked worse than AJ in his last 3/4 fights which is pretty shocking.
 
SilentWitness said:
I wouldn't say that but despite that, he still hasn't looked worse than AJ in his last 3/4 fights which is pretty shocking.
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But it is true? Fury dominated him for three fights and before that he fought Ortiz who had won every single round until Wilder landed the shot
If people can point to 4 rounds he’s won in the last four fights Id be shocked
(Edit I don’t include his last comeback fight to be fair, same way I don’t really count Joshua’s knockout last night)
 
cyberman said:
But it is true? Fury dominated him for three fights and before that he fought Ortiz who had won every single round until Wilder landed the shot
If people can point to 4 rounds he’s won in the last four fights Id be shocked
(Edit I don’t include his last comeback fight to be fair, same way I don’t really count Joshua’s knockout last night)
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I'd say he won a couple of rounds in each of the fights against Fury and most of the rounds he won it was when he was really putting it on Fury. Let's not forget he's probably been the closest man thus far in Furys career to beat him. Convincingly beaten in both by a better boxer but wouldn't say absolutely destroyed.
 
You're all talking like wilder is some flawless HW phenom who looks unbeatable. The dude has a all time great punch. But technically he's miles behind AJ. And it' not like he has a iron chin himself. I've seen him dropped/rocked multiple times. If AJ lands clean, he'll stop him. That fight is not going more than 4 rounds and is a toss up.
 
I don't think you can hold getting dominated by Fury against him, he is clearly the best right now and technically excellent for such a big guy. And I was impressed by Wilder for periods of those fights, dare I say it but I thought in one fight (can't remember which) he showed decent boxing ability. Let's not forget he even nearly KOd Fury. Personally I think Wilder is better than AJ comfortably.
 
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