Surprised at the comments suggesting Fury will try and duck Usyk. I'd think if anything he's shown through his career he's one of the few boxers who doesn't seem to duck others.
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Arguably is definitely one way of describing that statement.
That's a interesting claim. Check out his resume and see how many top 10 ranked fighters he's fought. The difference between him and joshua, in that regard, is night and day.
Exactly this.
Fury is obsessed with not losing. That's why he's so picky.
I would love to hear that argument.
I think Fury has done his reputation a lot of damage with the ridiculous deadlines for the AJ fight (he clearly had no intention of making that fight in my view) and rolling out Chisora for a PPV sparring session. Hope we will see the big heavyweight fights in 2023 but not optimistic.
I think Fury is the best we/I have ever seen but he really needs an Usyk fight to solidify that and stand amongst the other greats. Until now he still has the ? hanging over him purely because he's not beaten enough of the top top guys in the division. He passes the eye test, he just needs that one big fight to cement it.
Fury is shit and Joe Joyce will give him nightmares..
Fury wipes the floor with Usyk. Anyone doubting that is literally insane.
I don't know how you can say that with confidence when Fury hasn't faced someone who fights with Usyks tempo and angles. One man is distracted by playing games, the other is a man solely focused on being the greatest and fighting the best away from home.
Yeah, Usyk might be an even better boxer, but the difference in reach, size and weight is just too much for even Usyk.
I doubt he's worried about them in the slightest.
Amen. He has so many more gears to go through than we've seen. Imagine him with a true test, in a war where he really has to concentrate and give 100%. This has just been too easy for him for a long time, since he schooled Wlad.
Will see won't we, needs to hurry up and get into fights we actually want to see.
Probably because Fury had a three year break where he was suicidal and not boxing and even then there's really not much at all between who the two have fought. Fury beat Klitschko when he was dominant in his own back yard, Joshua fed on the scraps afterwards at home.
Who are the other huge names that Joshua has fought to create this night and day resume? 40 year old Povetkin? 39 year old Pulev? Lost to Ruiz and recovered for the rematch but nobody had Ruiz as a top heavyweight when they originally fought which is why it was such a huge shock. Lost both fights to Usyk. There's really not a night and day difference between the two and Fury would likely have a better resume had he not fallen off of the wagon for three or so years.
This is the same Fury that fought Wlad in Germany and Wilder three times in America. In fact Fury has only fought three times in England in his last 10 fights.
Here is Fury's good wins -wilder, Klitschko and whyte. That's it. It's a ridiculously short list for someone who is (rightly) considered the best in the world. Joshua fought nothing but top 10 since he won the belt. Yes, lost some, but at least the competition is high. Fury imo is scared of losing his 0, which is why he's very careful with his match making. It's his downfall. All of the greats have lost sometime.
I'll give fury all the credit in the world if he beats either usyk, Joshua or ruiz. I just hope next year is finally the year he starts taking those type of fights.
6'9" 270lbs of inside fightingness. No man born from his mother could ever beat him.
Wait, do you actually believe he’s the greatest ever? Better than Mike Tyson? Better than Lennox Lewis? That’s just the relatively recent past and ignoring the historic legends.
Fury fans can see no other
No. Certainly not in terms of title defences, quality of opposition etc. But I do think he can match up against any heavyweight in history and have a fair chance of beating them.
In an actual match he’d probably stand a decent chance against Mike Tyson purely for size, but if he got inside then Fury would probably be down fairly quickly with that strength and speed.
Lewis however has both the size to match up and was absolutely rapid, an absolute freak of nature.
How does Mike Tyson still get brought up in the greatest HW ever conversations 
Some of us are no doubt biased because he was just so incredibly exciting to watch. Remember staying up late in awe - always felt he was going to explode with ferocity and knock the other fella out.How does Mike Tyson still get brought up in the greatest HW ever conversations
As a spectacle he was brilliant. Perhaps even more so given the state of some of these fights today. Current heavyweights have many great attributes, but the sport is really lacking in excitement - Tyson brought that in abundance.
I definitely admire Fury in those wins. I'd actually put those wins as possibly the greatest performances by a British fighter abroad of all time. But it's not comparable to Usyk who went on a rampage and unified a division in his first 15 professional fights on the road. And then stepped up and beat a top 3 Heavyweight in AJ back to back convincingly.
Fury has a lot of distractions in his head, he's his own worst enemy, I've always been of a mind that the only person to beat Tyson Fury, is Tyson Fury. Where as I look across the ring to Usyk, and I see a determined machine who is hungry to cement legacy and work hard. I can't wait to see them in the ring, I hope it happens.
Yeah it’s very much rose tinted with regards to Mike I’ll admit. That power and speed flying in tandem was mesmeric.
I don't get how people can say Fury is scared of AJ .He fought Wilder, took his hardest shots and got back up, AJ doesn't hit as hard as Wilder.We saw in that last fight with Uysk, he had one good round where he threw some punches and he was gassed and then lost the remaining rounds. I don't see how Fury is scared of losing, he took 3 years off , came back and had 2 warm up fights then fought a man who many were saying at that time was hardest hitting heavyweight of all time. There is frustration the AJ fight was never made, but I'd much rather see him fight Uysk and Joyce than AJ anyway
I think Fury genuinely does not like AJ and he does not want to hand him a big payday if there are other options on the table for Fury
Why don’t the men do a weigh in like this?
Warrington v Lopez, he doesn't half get away with constantly using his head.
Yeah, not very often I don’t support Brits but something about him and his head butting just winds me up.
Fair play Lopez it was a close one though.
Crawford is such a good fighter. He needs that one stand out win like Spence on his record. But what a talent. No chinks at all.
Inoue unifies all belts, the first bantamweight to become undisputed. Should be the best P4P, right?
Love Inoue (saw him fight in Glasgow) but I have him behind Canelo in P4P rankings.
He dominates a weak division and if he faced Fulton or Bam Rodriguez by going up or down 3lb the result would be far from certain.
It's likely he will beat Usyk, but this is a silly comment considering you haven't seen them fight. These sorts of comments are what's wrong with the world
He hasn't though - there are belts in the division that he doesn't have.
There’s none of the current crop of heavyweights who I would fancy to trouble Peak Ali, Holmes, Lewis or Tyson.
Given a level playing field as far as training regimes and “supplements” are concerned I would stake a lot of money on any of the above being victorious over any of Fury, Joshua, Usyk or Wilder.
Some of today‘s fighters could stand up to greats of the past but not at Heavyweight I think.
Would be interesting to know if any of the posters talking up Fury and co. were actually alive when my picks were dominating the HW scene?
Given a level playing field as far as training regimes and “supplements” are concerned I would stake a lot of money on any of the above being victorious over any of Fury, Joshua, Usyk or Wilder.
Some of today‘s fighters could stand up to greats of the past but not at Heavyweight I think.
Would be interesting to know if any of the posters talking up Fury and co. were actually alive when my picks were dominating the HW scene?
Honestly Fury deals with Iron Mike. I know it’s an opinion which may be hard to take but putting nostalgia aside, Fury would be a comfortable favourite from a pure boxing perspective.
Given his size, you’d also have to have Fury as the slight favourite vs the GOAT. Holmes is a pick’em and I’d probably slightly favour Lennox over Fury but again there’s not much in it.
As for the others, I think Usyk has a fair chance vs Iron Mike. Otherwise I’m taking the oldies in all other match-ups.
Can’t see how you’d take Fury over Ali.
He found a way to beat them all over a period of about 15 years. The one‘s who bested him were dispatched in rematches.
Fury has never faced anyone in the class of peak Liston, Frazier, Foreman or Norton. Shavers, Young, Terrell and Quarry would have given him a good scrap too but probably lost in the end.
I do rate Fury but the competition he’s faced leaves a lot of unanswered questions. What with the doping early in his career, the knockdowns Cunningham and Wilder inflicted on him (not to mention the long count) and the waiting out of serious rivals until they age or implode (Klitschko and Joshua) I really can’t give him the same admiration as I do Ali.
Here's the Inoue fight for anyone that wants to watch it. Utterly dominant.
Fury is literally 50lbs heavier than Ali. As much as there is a skill difference, there is only so much weight you can overcome and Fury ain’t no scrub either.