The body deceives. I'm going to point that out to my little brother today who is a fitness fanatic and only yesterday was taking the piss out of me.
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The body deceives. I'm going to point that out to my little brother today who is a fitness fanatic and only yesterday was taking the piss out of me.
Fecking hell quite shocking really that fight from Joshua. He wasn't fighting well but after knocking Ruiz down he went all out to finish him, missed and got sparked and was on the ropes ever since. That happened in the Klitchko fight too but he managed to get the KO.
Beg for his belts back, it seems.Fair play to Wilder and Fury - they've played this perfectly. Made AJ and Hearn look like twats - twice!
The announcement couldn't be timed worse for AJ either, makes to tonight's fight laughable if it wasn't already.
What would AJ do next? Whyte? Usyk? He's running out of options and fast.
Fury would have defeated Joshua always. He is a far better boxer, easily the best HW in the world.
Shame that he has not learned from that fight, I think he needs to change up his trainer as GGG has done, they both became robotic.
This is keeping a bit of a lid on the champs league final.
Only regret is not doing my usual bet on the upset, due to time difference/being depressed at Spurs spursing it vs Liverpool.
I want to know if anyone backed Ruiz in the 7th round...
Only regret is not doing my usual bet on the upset, due to time difference/being depressed at Spurs spursing it vs Liverpool.
I want to know if anyone backed Ruiz in the 7th round...
Not surprised to see Joshua get his arse handed to him - I've thought he has nothing but hype around him with very little so far to back it up. Fair play to him he has made a ton of cash but as a boxer he ain't all that.
He had bad fundamentals (not as bad as Wilder who has no fundamentals at all), weak chin and gets easily tired. He almost lose to Klitschko after getting knocked down a couple of minutes after he floored a 40 years old Klitschko. He got stunned from Whyte when he had Whyte on the ropes, and now got instantly knocked down from Ruiz seconds after knocking him down. You rarely see these things happening in heavyweight division but it happens often with him. It is also weird to see old men and fat men recuperating much better (after knock downs) than him who has a God-like stature.
I always thought that he'll beat Wilder and lose from Fury, but after losing (and being second best all fight long) from a nothing special, shorter fatty, I don't see how he can defeat Wilder too. Easiest prediction is that he stuns Wilder and then goes to sleep from Wilder's counter punch.
Fury would destroy Joshua. Wilder aint all that either as you say so it would be a crap shoot.
Joshua lost??? 
To a fat Mexican-American dude who wasn’t even supposed to be in the ticket. Upset of the year!Joshua lost???
Wow!!!
Crazy how he lost. Going to have to watch this later.
There's talk of a rematch in London already or actually it's been agreed.
What I love about Mayweather is his professionalism and conditioning, something British fighter seem to lack. I've never been convinced AJ is the real deal, more like powder puff.
There's talk of a rematch in London already or actually it's been agreed.
What I love about Mayweather is his professionalism and conditioning, something British fighter seem to lack. I've never been convinced AJ is the real deal, more like powder puff.
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My mate who is boxing mad told me years ago that AJ would turn out like Bruno. Too muscly and rigid and would come a cropper. Seems he was right all along.
Best thing that can happen to heavyweight boxing. Joshua is ridiculously protected by Hearn etc. I like Joshua he seems a good lad bit the hype around him was killing boxing in that division.
I think he struggles in the rematch to. This wasn't lucky the better fighter won
I think he struggles in the rematch to. This wasn't lucky the better fighter won
Joshua has no chin. I always think he’ll lose to Fury, but have an absolute slug fest to Wilder and be it a toss of a coin who ends up winning. The lack of chin on Joshua’s side makes it fairly easy for me to think that Wilder’s wild swings will just daze Joshua from the off.
Think this is good for boxing. AJ has been there for the taking ever since Klitschko. Who knows whether Wilder or Fury thought they’d be able to beat Joshua or not - but seeing him lose will definitely make them more intrigued/accepting to face him now. I fully expect Joshua to beat Ruiz back in the UK. Wilder and Fury will go at it while Joshua faces a mandatory in the mean time and then it should potentially set up an undisputed event, which I see Joshua inevitably losing unless he changes his ways completely.
Think this is good for boxing. AJ has been there for the taking ever since Klitschko. Who knows whether Wilder or Fury thought they’d be able to beat Joshua or not - but seeing him lose will definitely make them more intrigued/accepting to face him now. I fully expect Joshua to beat Ruiz back in the UK. Wilder and Fury will go at it while Joshua faces a mandatory in the mean time and then it should potentially set up an undisputed event, which I see Joshua inevitably losing unless he changes his ways completely.
That’s been my suspicion about AJ all along. A 40 something year old Wlad floored him and came close to finishing him off which was a massive red flag that his chin would struggle against Wilder’s right. Fury would simply out point him over 12 which wouldn’t necessarily make for the most interesting fight. AJ simply needs to regroup and change tactics against Ruiz in the rematch. Don’t respect him early and simply go in for the kill.
This has been coming for sometime, AJ has average skills, no head movement, gets gassed easily and wobbled against decent opposition. This shouldn’t be a surprise he was always going to get found out at some point.
Don’t see how he’ll recover from this, Ruiz beat him connvincingly. Even before this fight I felt Wilder and Fury would beat AJ, now they’d wipe him out with that aura gone.
Hopefully now with the hype gone AJ can look at those flaws that have been present from the start, I just feel it’s too late for him to reinvent himself.
Don’t see how he’ll recover from this, Ruiz beat him connvincingly. Even before this fight I felt Wilder and Fury would beat AJ, now they’d wipe him out with that aura gone.
Hopefully now with the hype gone AJ can look at those flaws that have been present from the start, I just feel it’s too late for him to reinvent himself.
I just don’t think Joshua wants it that badly.. think the money’s gone to his head
Credit to Ruiz though. People are calling it a massive upset but that’s only because he looks like he does. He’s actually one of the better boxers in the division - I’d only put Usyk, Fury and Ortiz above him for sure.
Credit to Ruiz though. People are calling it a massive upset but that’s only because he looks like he does. He’s actually one of the better boxers in the division - I’d only put Usyk, Fury and Ortiz above him for sure.
His hand speed and power were incredable, the punch right to AJ temple in the 2nd finished the fight there and then. Freddie Roach knows boxers and he warned AJ abiut Ruiz, Hearn knows money and very little about boxing im affraid.
Just seen the Joshua result...damn I’m gutted tbh.
He’ll struggle now. Fury and Wilder will feel pretty confident in beating him.
He’ll struggle now. Fury and Wilder will feel pretty confident in beating him.
He has but that didn't stop the majority of posters here treating him like the new Mohammad Ali and saying he would destroy Wilder and Fury .
He was always going to be another Bruno and Hearn clearly knew it
He’s significantly better than Bruno imo. Probably closer to Lewis, who bounced right back after getting KO’d v Rahman. AJ just needs to adjust his tactics for the next one and he will probably win by early KO.
Very impressed with Ruiz's chin. The shot from Joshua in the fifth would have taken anyone out.
Muscles doesn't win fights. Boxing skills wins fights.
It's funny when a fighter loses people are really knee jerk with it. Let's see how Joshua comes back before saying he's done, has a shit chin etc. He had a bad night but nearly every fighter loses. It's the same reaction of he wins we would all say he's fighting bums. I think he struggles in the rematch cos Ruiz was clearly under rated but I don't think Joshua is some awful fighter like is being made out.
No, just no. Lewis is one of the best heavyweights of all time, and had superb fundamentals. The only way to defeat him was catching him off guard which happened twice (and he got the revenge anyway), but he dominated every fight he had on his career, while fighting some of the best fighters ever. Peak Tyson and Bowe wanted nothing to do with him.
Joshua has average boxing skills, he doesn't move his head, he gets gassed almost every fight (with the exception being the fight vs Parker, which is the best fight of his career) and he has no chin. Sure, he has devastating power and being a giant gives him an advantage, but he is nowhere near Lewis. A 35 years old Lewis would have eaten Joshua for breakfast.
Bruno's comparisons are probably a bit premature, but let's face it, Joshua has been extremely overhyped (and I even like him as a boxer). His most impressive win came against a 40 years old Klitschko, in a fight, he got knocked down. To make things even worse, that happened after he knocked down Klitschko in the first place, but somehow he was lucky to survive that round, and then touched the canvas in the next one.
But that's true, isn't it? He was in severe difficulty against Whyte in the second round seconds after he almost floored Whyte. Then in the round he knocked down Klitschko, he was in trouble and was defending for his life, to only be knocked down in the following round. And then we saw the humiliation of yesterday, getting knocked down twice in the same round he first knocked down Ruiz.
How many times have you seen in heavyweight boxing, a boxer knocking down another boxer, but somehow being in more trouble than the one who got knocked down? Not often, but somehow it has happened twice with Joshua. Once from a 40 years old boxer who hadn't fought for 2 years, and one from a guy who looks more like a sumo wrestler.
He has stanima issues imo. Puts so much into his punches that it leaves him gassed
Lewis was a freak one punch KO. Totally different to this loss that AJ suffered
Its heavyweight boxing, nobody really has a bad chin since mostly everyone will knock you down with a clean shot.
Are we really giving examples of AJ surviving big shots as proof he has a weak chin?
Being too open maybe but if he had a weak chin he'd have lost 3/4 by now.
Are we really giving examples of AJ surviving big shots as proof he has a weak chin?
Being too open maybe but if he had a weak chin he'd have lost 3/4 by now.
IMO If you don't face good competitive fighters regularly then you'll get complacent, which is why he lost + dude took a photo with drake.
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Joshua is still young and can reach comparable heights. It doesn’t take much courage to to pile in on him immediately after a loss since the events are still fresh in everyone's mind, but long term the quality is obviously there.
Relatively speaking.
I am not saying that he is that bad before the fight thought that he is going to win and that he is the second best in the division (after Fury). But comparing him to an all-time great is ridiculous IMO. Lewis had almost no weakness, Joshua has many.
Agreed but the career trajectory is comparable in that the former came back and dominated for much of the remainder of his career. AJ easily has the ability to come back from this, reclaim the four belts and proceed as previously scheduled. It’s also quite possible that we will look back at this in 10 years and have to concede that Ruiz was far better than his rollie pollie image implied.
Joshua didn’t just lose, but got well beaten, which is more difficult to explain. The loss isn’t the end of the world though given the lack of an obvious big fight for the end of the year, which he now has. The issue will be that one or more of the belts may be stripped from either fighter, either before or after the rematch, for not fulfilling a mandatory.
I didn’t say he was Lewis, but rather that his style is closer to Lewis than Bruno (who was massively overrated, at least in the states).