What does it matter to Haye if Wlad said hes fighting Chisora, if the offers there then sign up.
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Wlad had the choice of fighting Chisora, or Haye. He picked Chisora, knowing that Haye now has to fight his mandatory challenger, Chagaev. With Haye already stating that he will retire in October, that now means that any Haye/Klit fight is dead in the water.
After all Wlad's talk, he opted for a total novice in Chisora. Typical.
Given the fact Haye already pulled out of a fight before, having Chisora lined up as a tune up at least makes sense.
I don't know about the mandatory situation and the contract involved but he has to drop the belt, what does it matter? Wlad is actually the real WBA champ anyway.
And if Haye says hes retiring in Oct,hes not going to hold all the belts at one time, but at least if he signs up for the 2nd July fight on offer hes has the chance to fight and beat one of the Klit and hold the WBO/IBF and maybe regarded as the best.
At the end of the day the belts dont matter, if the fights there to be made, get it done. To me Haye is still the one thats ducking, even if the Klits are playing a hard game.
I don't know about the mandatory situation and the contract involved but he has to drop the belt, what does it matter? Wlad is actually the real WBA champ anyway.
And if Haye says hes retiring in Oct,hes not going to hold all the belts at one time, but at least if he signs up for the 2nd July fight on offer hes has the chance to fight and beat one of the Klit and hold the WBO/IBF and maybe regarded as the best.
At the end of the day the belts dont matter, if the fights there to be made, get it done. To me Haye is still the one thats ducking, even if the Klits are playing a hard game.
I don't get your point. You do realise that Wlad pulled out of a fight with Chisora?
How the feck do you work that out?
You don't seem to be getting this at all.
Boxingscene
Yes but Haye was the one that pulled out of the fight with Wlad, Wlad agreed to fight Chisora again after pulling out.
How the feck do you work that out?
Chagaev was the WBA champ, which became vacate when he was unable to defend due to illness, Valuev won the vacated title which Haye won off him, however in that time Wlad beat Chagaev, which would have made him the WBA champ had they not stripped him.
Whats there to get, Haye just seems to be getting his panties in a twist, the offer has been made, who cares what Wlad is doing before hand? If Wlad backs out because of injury etc then this statement can hold true:
Till then, its bollocks
Haye offered to fight Wlad immediately after he recovered. Wlad refused.
Right. So he's not "the real" WBA champ.
We have already been over this. Haye now has to fight his mandatory because Wlad has chosen to fight a complete novice, instead of the guy he has been talking shit about for months. He is now scheduled to fight Adamek in September.
Boxingscene
Why isn't he offering the July date to Adamek? Because he has no intention of fighting 9 weeks after he fights Chisora. A typical training camp lasts 8-10 weeks for feck sake. When you also factor in that a fighter usually takes a month off after a fight, that you require time to promote a fight, and that Wlad could even suffer a cut against Chisora, it is obvious that Wlad has no intention of fighting Haye in July. Compounded by the fact that he has offered a September date to Adamek.
Haye has bent over backwards to make this fight happen. Offering up the 50/50 that Wlad demanded when he didn't have to. It's not on Haye that Wlad has a shitty German TV deal. He has even agreed to fight him in Germany. Plus the other concessions mentioned in the post above. He was happy to do it to make the fight happen.
Wlad instead chose to fight a guy with 14 pro fights. Spin it whatever way you like.
Did he? Never heard about that, from what i heard is Wlad offered the April date but sky refused as the date is reserved for a Khan tune-up, says a lot of what they think of Haye given his last outing.
Well he is if you go on the tradition of beating the previous champ, not the created one.
The WBA never forced Haye to not take the fight in July, that was Haye's decision, anyway as i said Haye could drop the belt if he wanted, its a paper title, what does it matter, if he wins he becomes the ring champ.
I dont deny Wlad is pissing about, but given that Haye's been doing the same over 2 years making his name off the klits, i dont begrudge them for messing Haye about a bit. But its a fact that on 3 occasions now Haye could have faced the klits and everytime its hes who's the one thats backed out.
Anyway if Wlad is not available now, theres always Vitali.
To my knowledge, Haye has pulled out of one meeting. With Wlad, due to injury/Setanta going under. I am not sure what the other two occasions are you are referring to.
Vitali is fighting Solis. And strangely enough, he is fecking him around, too. Typical of the brothers.
Boxingscene
Vitali is fighting Solis. And strangely enough, he is fecking him around, too. Typical of the brothers.
Boxingscene
Haye pulled out of a fight with Wlad citing injury. He then pulled out of a fight with Vitali to fight Valuev instead. And now hes refused to fight Wlad.
Also just point out what you said about wlad fighting 3 times in two years, that is Haye fault as well, he pushed their fight back in 2009, then backed out of it, Wlad would have atleast fought twice in 2009.
The Solis fight is a mandatory, hes entitled to a certain amount, hes probably been asking for more.
Also just point out what you said about wlad fighting 3 times in two years, that is Haye fault as well, he pushed their fight back in 2009, then backed out of it, Wlad would have atleast fought twice in 2009.
The Solis fight is a mandatory, hes entitled to a certain amount, hes probably been asking for more.
What? Wlad is the one who has refused this fight. He has chosen to fight Chisora for the umpteenth time. Are you just being willfully obtuse here?
Haye never signed to fight Vitali, so how exactly did he "pull out of a fight with him?" There never was a fight.
What? Wlad is the one who has refused this fight. He has chosen to fight Chisora for the umpteenth time. Are you just being willfully obtuse here?
Haye never signed to fight Vitali, so how exactly did he "pull out of a fight with him?" There never was a fight.
No he didn't, its clear in black and white in the quote you posted. Wlad offered the April date, Sky said its too close to Khans fight. He then offered July, Haye then agreed, Wlad said he would be fighting Chisora in April first, Haye pulls out.
And Haye was scheduled to fight Vitali in sept 09, he then pulled out to fight Valuev instead.
As you just said, Wlad announced he was fighting Chisora at the end of April. Meaning the July date was now a no go. Wlad cannot fight 9 weeks after Chisora, for the many reasons I have given you. How many times do you need this explained to you?
I repeat, Haye never signed to fight Vitali. So how did he pull out?
The offer was made, Haye backed out of it, this is a fact, everything else is irrelevant. If Wlad gets injured, needs extra time to recover, then blame him, but Chisora should be nothing more then a tune up fight for a fighter that has not fought since sept 10. If haye is serious about retiring in Oct, he should just do everything to get a fight done with the klits, otherwise who esle is he going to fight? Chagaev? a guy who cant get a license to fight outside Germany, or maybe Harrison 2
Nothing may have been signed, but there was a verbal agreement
BBC SPORT | Boxing | Klitschko camp confirm Haye fight
You are either being willfully obtuse, or you are a moron. I have explained this to you far too many times already. I am not wasting anymore time on you.
Thank you, and goodnight.
Offer made, agreed, then declined. simples
David Haye said:
Clearly the guy your defending words doesn't actually mean anything to you.
It was my understanding with the vitali fight that Haye was getting screwedover money because he was not a world champion at the time even though he was bringing the cash to the fight so he went out anf fought Valuev so he could enter negotiations with them as a world champion.
Always wondered why Wladamir had never got in the ring with Valuev, afraid of fights he may lose possibly?
Always wondered why Wladamir had never got in the ring with Valuev, afraid of fights he may lose possibly?
All the verbal sparring and bullshit in the media that surrounds boxing is so incredibly boring. This Haye and the Klitschko brothers thing is getting as bad as Mayweather and Pac, just get in the ring and fecking fight already.
Exactly, too many hands in too many pies comes to mind. If all fights were made under a single entity then these issues wouldn't arise and there would be far less dodging based on bullshit excuses. The very best should fight under one organisation.
Yep, pick a date and get in the ring, money is split 50/50 seeing as it takes two to tango. Or, you know, fight.
Simples. I should be in charge of the sport, I'd revolutionise it.
Simples. I should be in charge of the sport, I'd revolutionise it.
VITALI KLITSCHKO WILL FACE SOLIS
Vitali Klitschko will defend his WBC heavyweight title against mandatory challenger Odlanier Solis in Cologne on March 19.
The Cuban exile defeated veteran Ray Austin in an eliminator last month and with few other opponents out there for Klitschko, a deal was always likely to be made.
Solis is no stranger to the German public, having fought there nine times as a professional after joining the paid ranks in 2007.
The 30-year-old has a 17-0 record with 12 stoppages and, although he looked sluggish against Austin, could be one of the few to ruffle Klitschko's feathers as he approaches his 40th birthday.
"Solis is an experienced, quick and uncomfortable fighter," said Klitschko in a statement. "I will not underestimate him."
Now based in Florida, Solis has been talked up in the American press as one of the few heavyweights to take over the Klitschko brothers' mantle when they retire.
But although he has few 'names' on his CV, Solis gets an early chance to prove them right.
"Vitali has been choosing weak opponents for years. But that is finished now. I will beat him, take his belts and leave Cologne as champion," said Solis.
Vitali Klitschko will defend his WBC heavyweight title against mandatory challenger Odlanier Solis in Cologne on March 19.
The Cuban exile defeated veteran Ray Austin in an eliminator last month and with few other opponents out there for Klitschko, a deal was always likely to be made.
Solis is no stranger to the German public, having fought there nine times as a professional after joining the paid ranks in 2007.
The 30-year-old has a 17-0 record with 12 stoppages and, although he looked sluggish against Austin, could be one of the few to ruffle Klitschko's feathers as he approaches his 40th birthday.
"Solis is an experienced, quick and uncomfortable fighter," said Klitschko in a statement. "I will not underestimate him."
Now based in Florida, Solis has been talked up in the American press as one of the few heavyweights to take over the Klitschko brothers' mantle when they retire.
But although he has few 'names' on his CV, Solis gets an early chance to prove them right.
"Vitali has been choosing weak opponents for years. But that is finished now. I will beat him, take his belts and leave Cologne as champion," said Solis.
Solis stopped Haye in the ams (he was on his feet, though). Unfortunately, a lot of the time he looks more like a pro eater than a pro boxer. If he drops 40 pounds he might give Vitali a few problems.
Wladimir Klitschko insists he can fight Dereck Chisora on 30 April and then take on Britain's WBA champion David Haye two months later.
Klitschko, 34, the IBF, IBO and WBO champion, has also queried whether Haye will retire when he turns 31 in October, as he has indicated.
The Ukrainian said: "I don't need a half a year to prepare for Haye.
"Me fighting Chisora first is good promotion for the fight because the guy is also British and very loud."
Londoner Haye, whose most famous victory was against the giant Nikolay Valuev in 2009, most recently disposed of Audley Harrison in the third round in November.
Assuming the Klitschko-Chisora fight goes ahead, Haye would be expected to take on a mandatory challenger or face having his WBA title stripped from him.
However, if he were to finalise a unification bout against Klitschko he could apply for an extension to avoid having to fight twice in a short space of time.
David Haye has accomplished nothing in the heavyweight division other than to present himself with his stupid T-shirt and comments... This guy will eventually fight me
Wladimir Klitschko
However Haye has recently cast doubt on Klitschko's ability to take him on barely two months after fighting Chisora.
"A bout with me is the most lucrative, meaningful and dangerous fight Wladimir's ever had, not some throwaway tune-up," said the Londoner. "Wladimir won't fight anybody nine weeks after Chisora, let alone me."
But Klitschko, who is also in talks to fight Tomasz Adamek in September, insisted Haye can sidestep the mandatory challenger, Ruslan Chagaev, and face him in July.
He said: "I don't take David Haye as a super-special fight. I'm always in shape anyway. He could give Chagaev step-aside money and then I'm going to be there with nobody to fight.
"Because of our history before, I would fight him on 2 July and we would work on the contract, but I would fight Chisora first.
"There have a been a lot of lies from David Haye and [trainer] Adam Booth. We found a date, 2 July, to fight him, but I don't trust these guys any more."
Haye claimed last week that if Klitschko did not fight him before his retirement date the Ukrainian would be forever linked with a failure to take him on.
But Klitschko does not believe Haye will end his career this year as he will not want his legacy to be the one-sided win over Harrison.
He said: "He's telling everyone 'I'm going to retire by the end of the year and I will have my legacy'. He's going to have a legacy for the Audley Harrison fight - the most exciting heavyweight fight in history.
"He has no legacy whatsoever. He has this terrible disease and he has to retire? What is that? This is total nonsense. He is playing the media.
"He will not retire because he's a liar, liar, liar. From the beginning to the end, he's a loser liar. That's the truth about this man.
"David Haye has accomplished nothing in the heavyweight division other than to present himself with his stupid T-shirt and comments.
"This guy will eventually fight me."
Klitschko, 34, the IBF, IBO and WBO champion, has also queried whether Haye will retire when he turns 31 in October, as he has indicated.
The Ukrainian said: "I don't need a half a year to prepare for Haye.
"Me fighting Chisora first is good promotion for the fight because the guy is also British and very loud."
Londoner Haye, whose most famous victory was against the giant Nikolay Valuev in 2009, most recently disposed of Audley Harrison in the third round in November.
Assuming the Klitschko-Chisora fight goes ahead, Haye would be expected to take on a mandatory challenger or face having his WBA title stripped from him.
However, if he were to finalise a unification bout against Klitschko he could apply for an extension to avoid having to fight twice in a short space of time.
David Haye has accomplished nothing in the heavyweight division other than to present himself with his stupid T-shirt and comments... This guy will eventually fight me
Wladimir Klitschko
However Haye has recently cast doubt on Klitschko's ability to take him on barely two months after fighting Chisora.
"A bout with me is the most lucrative, meaningful and dangerous fight Wladimir's ever had, not some throwaway tune-up," said the Londoner. "Wladimir won't fight anybody nine weeks after Chisora, let alone me."
But Klitschko, who is also in talks to fight Tomasz Adamek in September, insisted Haye can sidestep the mandatory challenger, Ruslan Chagaev, and face him in July.
He said: "I don't take David Haye as a super-special fight. I'm always in shape anyway. He could give Chagaev step-aside money and then I'm going to be there with nobody to fight.
"Because of our history before, I would fight him on 2 July and we would work on the contract, but I would fight Chisora first.
"There have a been a lot of lies from David Haye and [trainer] Adam Booth. We found a date, 2 July, to fight him, but I don't trust these guys any more."
Haye claimed last week that if Klitschko did not fight him before his retirement date the Ukrainian would be forever linked with a failure to take him on.
But Klitschko does not believe Haye will end his career this year as he will not want his legacy to be the one-sided win over Harrison.
He said: "He's telling everyone 'I'm going to retire by the end of the year and I will have my legacy'. He's going to have a legacy for the Audley Harrison fight - the most exciting heavyweight fight in history.
"He has no legacy whatsoever. He has this terrible disease and he has to retire? What is that? This is total nonsense. He is playing the media.
"He will not retire because he's a liar, liar, liar. From the beginning to the end, he's a loser liar. That's the truth about this man.
"David Haye has accomplished nothing in the heavyweight division other than to present himself with his stupid T-shirt and comments.
"This guy will eventually fight me."
Seems like Haye is set to return on 21st May @ O2. I am guessing it will be 48 year old Holyfield.
That would be a joke of a fight
Well thats David Haye for you. The other name that has been mentioned is a rematch with Mormeck(why?).
Froch-Johnson however is supposed to be on the card so might actually be worth seeing.
Didn't Holyfield recently have a fight stopped?
Evander needs to hang the gloves up.
Evander needs to hang the gloves up.
Yeah, was getting soundly outboxed by Sherman fecking Williams reportedly. Got a cut from an accidental headbutt, and its been suggested that he probably could have continued but chose not to so he could get the no-contest instead of another loss if it was stopped from Round 5 onward.
In a strange way I wouldn't care as much if he was just blatantly fighting for another pay day, sad as that would be. Although he obviously needs the money, its the fact that he genuinely seems to believe as well that he's on some God-inspired odyssey to regain the title that makes this so sad - the same belief and motivations that made him a legend are conspiring to make him a laughing stock now.
Alexander-Bradley tonight. Intriguing fight and it could be excellent if a bit tactical. Can't seem to get myself particularly excited for it though. Got to admit that for all I've been preaching to people that there's still great fights out there in boxing if people bother to look for them, I'm very jaded with it at the moment. Seems like there's a big, highly hyped MMA bout between two top fighters every few months, but with boxing we're feeding off scraps. Between Manny-Floyd, Haye-Klitschko(s), Lopez-Gamboa...it just seems to be forever before the best fights actually get made. I'm still excited to watch the likes of Brandon Rios, James Kirkland, Manny, JMM etc, but it all seems a bit shite compared to Belfort vs Silva and the Strikeforce heavyweight tournament. Leaning towards watching a very mediocre Strikeforce card before Bradley-Alexander tonight. Forgiveness please!
I take it back about that Strikeforce card being mediocre. Some very good fights. Off to have a hunt for Bradley-Alexander now.
Alexander "Oh it burns, it burns!" he was like the fecking wicked bitch of the west, if they gave him time to get over himself that fight could have been finished but at the time it was like 3am and I was wishing for it to be over anyway. Never got going that one but Bradley was ahead on my card too and its fights like this that make me question why I still bother with boxing.
"Oh it burns, it burns!" he was like the fecking wicked bitch of the west, if they gave him time to get over himself that fight could have been finished but at the time it was like 3am and I was wishing for it to be over anyway. Never got going that one but Bradley was ahead on my card too and its fights like this that make me question why I still bother with boxing.Shit fight but the styles just didn't blend well.
I'm pleased Bradley won though, he's a humble guy and he's a great fighter (although he didn't exactly show it on Saturday night).
Hopefully him vs. Khan gets made this summer. Oh and what's all this about Khan dumping Alex Ariza? Madness when you look at the progress Khan's made under him and Roach. If it ain't broke don't fix it lad, especially over a bit of money.
I'm pleased Bradley won though, he's a humble guy and he's a great fighter (although he didn't exactly show it on Saturday night).
Hopefully him vs. Khan gets made this summer. Oh and what's all this about Khan dumping Alex Ariza? Madness when you look at the progress Khan's made under him and Roach. If it ain't broke don't fix it lad, especially over a bit of money.
That Bradley V Alexander fight was pretty rubbish. Kahn V Bradley would be good though, Bradley is a tough excellent figher but Kahn wouldnt do what Alexander did so i'd expect a very entertaining fight.
Holmes a little too high for me, probably Fraizer as well, Holyfield should be above Tyson. No Vitali either? Decent list though, all in all.
Watched John Watson VS Anthony Crolla fight last night - was a good fight, Crolla looked throughout the better boxer and Watson only really fought in desperation, Crolla forced the pace of the fight and led on points until the 9th when after a succession of decent head-shots throughout the fight took their toll on Watson and one particularly nasty shot Crolla rocked Watson's temple side to side and knocked him out for a good couple of minutes.
Crolla holds the british lightweight title now. He's a decent boxer, keeps his hands up well, decent movement, good hand speed. If anything, I'd question his hitting power. Not sure how long he'll hold the belt to be honest either.
Crolla holds the british lightweight title now. He's a decent boxer, keeps his hands up well, decent movement, good hand speed. If anything, I'd question his hitting power. Not sure how long he'll hold the belt to be honest either.
Not long to go now for us Irish folk & indeed all boxing fans for what could turn out to be a special night in Irish sporting history when our Willie 'Big Bang' Casey after just a handful of pro fights (10 i think) will be bidding for a World Title when he takes on Rigondeaux, this is Rocky Bilbao stuff! Should be a great night, i'm confident enough Willie will pull this off.
Whens this one on? Hes the lad from limerick who won the sky fightnight thing isnt he? RTE?
Quick question Pearl, do you know who Rigondeaux is?
Me thinks not.
Didn't look great shakes against Cordoba but his amateur career puts him in good stead to beat most and hearing the kinds of things he can do in training, he seems the real deal
Saw him against Cordoba & if i'm honest, nothing really stood out for me. He only just about got the better of Cordoba in the last round A boring enough fight. I know he was supposed to be a cracking amateur but so far he hasn't looked that great as a pro certainly not as good as some are making out. I'm confident Willie on his night can take him, yourself & 'Me thinks not' are obviously not. There was bigger & better than Rigondeaux taken down over the years though.