No way is Khan ready for Mayweather on that evidence mind you.
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What a fecking fight! Unbelievable stuff.
How Khan stayed on his feet in the 10th is beyond me... a couple of hours ago I was slating his punch resistance. But to take Maidana's best shots and stay on your feet, well you've actually gotta have a pretty bloody good chin.
Amazing stuff from both fighters.
How Khan stayed on his feet in the 10th is beyond me... a couple of hours ago I was slating his punch resistance. But to take Maidana's best shots and stay on your feet, well you've actually gotta have a pretty bloody good chin.
Amazing stuff from both fighters.
That should have been Maidana's fight every day of the week, except it seems, today! Khan excessively held on in them last 3 rounds, god knows how many low blows, and that point deduction, wtf was all that about?!
Great fight, Madaina is one hardy lad, Khan answered all the questions tonight especially the ones regarding his chin, they were answered in the 10th round! Overall showed great heart & maturity. Deserves his win.
Khan could have a century to prepare and still not be ready for Mayweather, but repect to him for showing guts and a chin tonight. Floyd is different class though.
Maidana also gets big respect for coming through those shots and nearly snatching it.
Dirty cheat, was all elbows, it was a great decision to deduct a point. Not sure what you were watching.
Obviously Khan went on the back foot after the 10th, but he did more than enough through the 1st 9 rounds to win the fight, without there being any controversy about the decision.
Kahns go no chin, he's got a glass jaw, clearly that is what I saw tonight. Seriously though, well done Amir, did the UK proud and brought your title back against a fighter many were saying for ages would topple you, nice one.
Great fight.
Great fight.
What elbows? The only elbow I saw was when he inadverdently struck the referee on the follow-up. He had a stray shot which didnt even cleanly connect and he gets a point deduction :-/
EDIT - The way I saw it was that outside of the first round knock-down, Khan actually did very little. Maidana struck the more threatening punches, had Khan on the ropes much, much more than Khan did Maidana, and Khan had atleast 2 rounds before the 9th where he literally stood statuesque and took a complete barrage from Maidana... Thats atleast 5 rounds where Maidana had the clear upper hand and he had atleast 2 or 3 rounds where Maidana had shaded it. Shit, even in the first, Maidana had Khan rattled til Khan got the knockdown!
Long way before he's ready for PBF.. although PBF's style isn't as forward as Maidana which a stronger Khan in the future could find is a good match for his own style.
Don't know what fight you were watching.. the deduction was spot on, the replays showed him attempting to elbow Khan and hitting the ref on the chest ffs
. Khan did enough throughout the match to win, took the guys best shots and floored him, as well as showing for the most part better ringcraft.Great to see him take quality shots and come back fighting, I just hope he realises just how close he was to losing this, stays humble and keeps improving. He might never be a great taker of punches but as long as he shows heart, stays in long enough to unleash sledge-hammers of his own, he'll have my support. His vulnerability is what makes him good to watch.
He's got the heart of a champion by all accounts. Need to watch the fight for myself though. Must admit, I didn't think he'd become a world champion before and after the Prescott fight. But yeah, he's turned it around.
Great bout. Khan is better than I thought he was that's for sure.
Mike, that wasn't the Khan most people have seen over his career, going into camp with Roach seems to have done him wonders, and if he had listened to Roach more attentively during the fight, he would have won by a bigger margin. He admitted to making mistakes after the match, but it's not acceptable, on another day, you pay a big price for that, and maybe your career never recovers.
Roach transferred some of his weight from his upper body onto his thighs, which is how and why his chin has improved. To be fair, I've always said it's all in the legs.
Agreed, there is still big scope for improvement with regards to his lower body, I still think his calves are too small especially when you compare them to say Pacman for a guy his size.
That said he does look like he has a more balanced physique these days in comparison to the inbalanced upper-body biased boxer we saw in the Prescott fight.
I think with Khan the more he goes up the weight divisions the more he can fill out and improve on his capacity to take a shot.
Why is Mayweather even being mentioned alongside Khan? It just won't happen, Jr would destroy him. Khan's an interesting fighter, he's exciting - but I can't help feeling he's exciting because he has that really strong ability to lapse in concentration and get knocked out, he did well to survive in those final few rounds, but I just feel Khan's style (albeit improved/improving) offers a fighter a chance to destroy him - one will take it.
Who was the last guy that Floyd destroyed?
Perhaps semantically destroyed is a step far, but Mayweather via the fact he is a far superior boxer would teach Khan a lesson, like Hatton received and Hatton was better than Khan, imho.
In no way is/was Hatton a better boxer than Khan. Khan is streets ahead technically, is about four inches taller (2 inches taller then Mayweather), has a six inch reach advantage, and has comparable speed to Floyd.
Floyd would obviously be favourite, but Khan would present him with more problems than Hatton ever could.
He'd give Mayweather a better fight than Ricky did.
I like the way you think.
Ah, you beat me by a few seconds, but yeah I can't fault your post. Ricky's style suited Mayweather. I also think Ricky was a tad over the hill when he fought Mayweather. The truth is Hatton did really well with what he had...Amir's a better boxer and I hope he learns from the mistakes he made in his latest fight. From what I've gathered, he's a quick learner, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Just watched the fight now. Credit to both fighters for producing some excellent punches. Khan really showed he had a chin, took some ferocious punches but threw them back equally. Great fight!
Talk of Judah in England up next for Khan.
Take it that's gonna be some sort of 'keep busy' fight while he waits for the winner of Alexander-Bradley?
Not too bad a choice, he's got the speed, skillset and power to give Khan a few problems. Recognisable name too, and one that will look pretty good on his CV.
Not too bad a choice, he's got the speed, skillset and power to give Khan a few problems. Recognisable name too, and one that will look pretty good on his CV.
Lance, I probably should have specified that Hatton is, in my opinion, a better 'brawler' if you prefer that term than Khan, whom I agree would be hard to argue is a lesser boxer technically than Hatton - he isn't. But I don't think anyone, especially Khan is going to out-box Mayweather, that's why I believe Khan shouldn't even think about Floyd, if Khan think he will outbox him, he's wrong, if he thinks he'll out-brawl him, he's wrong.
Pacman has the best chance of beating Mayweather, just like Hatton had in those early rounds against Floyd, but Khan? No chance.
Mayweather is simply a class above.
But I don't want to take away from Khan's victory, he did really well in those final few rounds, perhaps he was lucky too, but mentioning Mayweather just because you've beat a couple of fighters since being destroyed by Prescott is a tad immature. Let's face it, Khan didn't storm through Maidana did he?
Pacman has the best chance of beating Mayweather, just like Hatton had in those early rounds against Floyd, but Khan? No chance.
Mayweather is simply a class above.
But I don't want to take away from Khan's victory, he did really well in those final few rounds, perhaps he was lucky too, but mentioning Mayweather just because you've beat a couple of fighters since being destroyed by Prescott is a tad immature. Let's face it, Khan didn't storm through Maidana did he?
Nobody has stormed through Maidana. 27 of 31 have been knocked cold, though. Apart from the Khan loss (which might have been different had Cortez not been overly efficient in the tenth), he has a loss to Kotelnik, in a fight that could have gone either way. Khan defeated Kotelnik comfortably, although he has since given Alexander fits (and beat him in many people's eyes), so he is clearly a good fighter.
As for Hatton, he never had a prayer against Floyd. Being a better "brawler" than Khan is absolutely irrelevant, the sport is called boxing for a reason. The only people who gave Hatton a chance were his immediate family and casual fans. He was out on his feet against Collazo in his previous foray to Welterweight. And Collazo is not a puncher.
As I have already stated, Khan is bigger, faster, technically better, and has a far superior reach to Hatton. He would give Floyd a much tougher fight. Would he beat him? I doubt it. I can't see anyone beating him, unless he signs to fight Martinez. Williams would still be an awkward fight for him, despite his last loss, due to his height and punch output.
Pac has the best chance to beat Floyd? Probably, although I think his come forward style will suit Mayweather down to the ground. Floyd UD, unless he is caught out early.
Anyway, it looks like Pac is fighting Mosley next. Shane is still a name, but after being soundly outboxed by Floyd, I think the fight is pretty meaningless.
That would be a fun fight. Be interesting to see how Khan measures up with him in terms of speed. Seems a risky enough one on paper, but then Judah always looks like a difficult opponent on paper, and always finds a way to look like dried out dogshite come fight night.
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Can't see it happening in July. Khan's next fight will likely be in England in the first quarter of 2011. Then he is supposedly fighting the winner of Bradley/Alexander, which takes place on the 29th January.
Pascal vs Borenard this weekend. Any takers?
I can't stand Hopkins at this point. I hope Pascal knocks him into Bolivian.
I can't stand Hopkins at this point. I hope Pascal knocks him into Bolivian.
I'll probably watch it against my better judgement. Surely Pascal will be too strong and active for him at this age. I generally have all the respect in the world for veteran fighters who can still compete with the young 'uns, but Hopkins is such a knob rash its unreal.
If he pulls that faking injury bullshit again, I hope the ref DQs him.
The problem is, I could see him beating Pascal. At least the fight is in Canada, so he is unlikely to win on points, if the fight is close.
The problem is, I could see him beating Pascal. At least the fight is in Canada, so he is unlikely to win on points, if the fight is close.
I don't feel it's irrelevant at all, I know the old saying a boxer beats a brawler is generally true as a rule of thumb but Hatton did have a chance to beat Mayweather and that was through his speed and power, you watch those first early rounds and it's clear to see Mayweather was slightly spooked by the ferocity of Hatton - a ferocity Khan cannot match, from what I've seen anyway. Hence why I can't see Khan out-boxing Mayweather (I can't think of anyone who can 'box' like Mayweather) and he certainly won't frighten him like Hatton did.
You see you state that Manny has a come forward style that would suit Mayweather and I agree, but surely that's the same for Khan? He's not the type of fighter to defend and if he does against Mayweather we'd be in for a bore-fest in which Floyd would win on points. Khan survives a miracle of a 10th round against Maidana and suddenly he's in Mayweather's league.
I just don't buy it.
Please.
He wasn't spooked in the slightest, IMO. And that's racist.
You talk about Hatton's "ferocity." Where exactly did that get him? Sparked out.
Hatton didn't frighten him. No one has said that Khan can outbox Mayweather. Just that he has a far better chance than Hatton. As for fighters who "box like Mayweather", he didn't invent the shoulder roll. Watch some of James Toney's fights from a few years back, to see another guy who specialises in it.
Well, no, because Khan doesn't have the same style as Manny. As I have said (twice now), Khan is considerably taller with a much better reach than either Hatton or Pac. And he is a lot faster than Hatton. He is very adept at boxing from the outside. He also has a fast jab. You will have noted the success that Oscar enjoyed utilising the jab against Floyd.
He is very capable of going on the defensive, as he showed in the last three rounds against Maidana. I do agree that Floyd would win on points.
Again, I haven't said that he is in Mayweather's league. Just that he would give him a tougher fight than Hatton.
You should also note that Maidana is a harder hitter than Floyd.
Please.
He wasn't spooked in the slightest, IMO. And that's racist.
You talk about Hatton's "ferocity." Where exactly did that get him? Sparked out.
Hatton didn't frighten him. No one has said that Khan can outbox Mayweather. Just that he has a far better chance than Hatton. As for fighters who "box like Mayweather", he didn't invent the shoulder roll. Watch some of James Toney's fights from a few years back, to see another guy who specialises in it.
Well, no, because Khan doesn't have the same style as Manny. As I have said (twice now), Khan is considerably taller with a much better reach than either Hatton or Pac. And he is a lot faster than Hatton. He is very adept at boxing from the outside. He also has a fast jab. You will have noted the success that Oscar enjoyed utilising the jab against Floyd.
He is very capable of going on the defensive, as he showed in the last three rounds against Maidana. I do agree that Floyd would win on points.
Again, I haven't said that he is in Mayweather's league. Just that he would give him a tougher fight than Hatton.
You should also note that Maidana is a harder hitter than Floyd.
You don't think Hatton had speed? Well, fair enough, but he did - if he had fought Floyd a year or two earlier - before Hatton decided he could binge between each fight and reach a similiar physical level he was at you'd have seen Floyd floored early on just as he nearly was when he was staggering and flailing away from Rickys opening round. Of course you can take and leave this point as you wish simply because it never happened.
"That's racist." Yeah, his ferocity did get him 'sparked out' but in the eight against the best pound for pound fighter in the world at that point. Plus Hatton lost his head by feeling hard done to by the ref and let himself down with that arse wriggling episode.Oscar utilized the jab yes, but still lost and Oscar is another superior boxer to Khan. I know he has superior / height and reach and against Mayweather this will allow Khan to stand off and still attack, but Khan is an aggressive fighter and Mayweather has that knack of drawing them in and destroying them.
Also, I didn't mean you personally - I meant the media and Khan and his camp. I don't think the fight should go ahead yet, I think Khan should have his sights lowered.
He won't be in against Floyd anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry about it. Judah (or someone similar) in England, followed by the winner of Bradley/Alexander to determine the man at 140.
By then Floyd could be locked up, fighting Pac, retired again, who knows?
Oh, and I am glad you are posting in here. Keep it up.
By then Floyd could be locked up, fighting Pac, retired again, who knows?
Oh, and I am glad you are posting in here. Keep it up.
I'm perplexed. Why is Khan being mentioned alongside Mayweather? There is no chance of victory there, why on earth would they pursue it? Khan will be embarrassed in the ring, and knocked the feck out.
He doesn't stand a chance in hell against Manny, what on earth thinks he can take on Mayweather? Why are people even talking about it like it's a possibility for him to come through that fight? He might do better then Hatton, or last a bit longer but the result will be the same.
I'm sorry, but Khan isn't on the same planet as either of those two fighters, and if he wants to keep his records, he should stay well away.
He doesn't stand a chance in hell against Manny, what on earth thinks he can take on Mayweather? Why are people even talking about it like it's a possibility for him to come through that fight? He might do better then Hatton, or last a bit longer but the result will be the same.
I'm sorry, but Khan isn't on the same planet as either of those two fighters, and if he wants to keep his records, he should stay well away.
Let Khan get his wish, Mayweather will bring him back down to earth, then the rebuilding will begin.
He won't be in against Floyd anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry about it. Judah (or someone similar) in England, followed by the winner of Bradley/Alexander to determine the man at 140.
By then Floyd could be locked up, fighting Pac, retired again, who knows?
Oh, and I am glad you are posting in here. Keep it up.
His best hope of beating Floyd is after the Pac fight, should it ever happen (fingers crossed) also, concerning Khan who knows what affect that 10th will have on him in the future?
Now, we could discuss Hopkins (
) but I just want Pascal to end him.And thanks, it's good chatting to lads who know more about the sport. I meant to ask, do you have a favourite all-time fighter Lance?
You don't think Hatton had speed? Well, fair enough, but he did - if he had fought Floyd a year or two earlier - before Hatton decided he could binge between each fight and reach a similiar physical level he was at you'd have seen Floyd floored early on just as he nearly was when he was staggering and flailing away from Rickys opening round. Of course you can take and leave this point as you wish simply because it never happened.
Oscar utilized the jab yes, but still lost and Oscar is another superior boxer to Khan. I know he has superior / height and reach and against Mayweather this will allow Khan to stand off and still attack, but Khan is an aggressive fighter and Mayweather has that knack of drawing them in and destroying them.
Also, I didn't mean you personally - I meant the media and Khan and his camp. I don't think the fight should go ahead yet, I think Khan should have his sights lowered.
If you watch that again, you'll see it was actually Mayweather left foot getting tangled with Hattion's right that caused him to stagger.