Joshua inside six rounds. I think it's an easy fight unless he walks into a big right hand which is possible.
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Nah, You know during training if you can plant your feet properly to throw a powerful punch.
Nevlle and Ferdinand aren't really a viable comparison either. They weren't asking people to pay lots of money to watch them 1 on 1 whilst saying they felt "stronger and fitter than I've ever been"
Neville told Fergie he didn't have it any more, and Ferdinand's back was common knowledge, but he still played well. His sharp decline at QPR coincided with serious personal issues off the pitch.
He was excellent at Cruiserweight and really could have reigned there for years. Understandably went to Heavyweight to chase the glory and the big bucks but he was a little too small and frankly I lost interest in him after a while. Too much talking and too many fights pulled out of. I genuinely don't think he ever intended to fight Fury and was just dicking him around. His body really did break down over time though and though I wasn't a fan it wasn't good to see him get embarrassed by someone as average as Bellew.
Wilder in 3 - by KO
Not everyone's body is the same though, not everyone reacts during the same way through training etc. Equally you're talking about a multiple weight world champion I'm sure his ego got in the way somewhat as well, I'm sure he could of convinced himself he was as good as he used to be etc and then maybe it dawned on him it wasn't. It's hardly beyond the realms of possibility is it? I'd agree they milked the dislike they had for each other to sell tickets but who doesn't do that? I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to think he would of won the rematch (and the first fight to.)
They are paid money as a result of people paying to watch them though, maybe not in combat of 1 on 1 but they do still have it. Didn't Neville tell Fergie that after that game vs. West Brom (or Stoke) when he got dragged off at Ht and retired the next day? He was pretty poor for a while before that as well lets be honest.
Your initial point was about 1 last payday. I think it's fair to say the likes of Ferdinand and other footballers do that as well so do they leave a sour taste in your mouth to? I'm not disputing his personal issues either cos that was clearly a horrible thing to happen but I reckon he was done as a footballer long before that...he even said on tele he was retiring after 1 season there etc. I'm not sure personally, maybe he thought he could still do it who knows? But surely he's in a similar boat to Haye in that in hindsight it's obvious he couldn't and therefore should he not also be dealt the same criticism?
Sports stars at top levels come with massive egos and as a result massive self belief. The likes of Haye are probably no different to that for me and they probably do think they can do more than they can into an older age. The list of boxers/MMA fighters who went on to long is endless and it's not always just money.
David Haye is a bonafide bum. Who he beat doe?!
Aye, I fancy Whyte for the mild upset too.
I didn't realize Eddie Hearn was making a push to sign Keith Thurman? Also rumors that Arum is trying to get him on the Top Rank stable.
Very interesting and makes sense. Thurman had his surgery after the Garcia fight (March of last year) but his "injuries" since haven't been genuine. He was supposed to fight in April and said 2018 was a "get back year" so no Spence but he wanted to fight somebody outside the top 20 or 30 in April so PBC rightly didn't want to pay him his regular pay. He refused a Jessie Vargas fight also for good money. It's possible he has some time to sit out his current agreement and then is plotting to jump ship. That will also keep him further away from Spence which it seems he'd be fine with.
I think it's good for the division because since Thurman got by Porter and Garcia his mentality has seemed to be "I'll fight once a year and everyone should have to fight each other/eliminate each other and if I fancy it I'll face him". If he can get a good contract then I think it potentially opens the door for Crawford vs. Thurman (say sometime in mid/late 2019) and then Garcia-Porter winner vs. Spence and with all belts available and if it's two fighters like Crawford and Spence, you know two fighters who want to make history and just fight then it would be more likely and sooner. Possibly have an undisputed champion and a mega event in Crawford vs. Spence by early/mid 2020.
Very interesting and makes sense. Thurman had his surgery after the Garcia fight (March of last year) but his "injuries" since haven't been genuine. He was supposed to fight in April and said 2018 was a "get back year" so no Spence but he wanted to fight somebody outside the top 20 or 30 in April so PBC rightly didn't want to pay him his regular pay. He refused a Jessie Vargas fight also for good money. It's possible he has some time to sit out his current agreement and then is plotting to jump ship. That will also keep him further away from Spence which it seems he'd be fine with.
I think it's good for the division because since Thurman got by Porter and Garcia his mentality has seemed to be "I'll fight once a year and everyone should have to fight each other/eliminate each other and if I fancy it I'll face him". If he can get a good contract then I think it potentially opens the door for Crawford vs. Thurman (say sometime in mid/late 2019) and then Garcia-Porter winner vs. Spence and with all belts available and if it's two fighters like Crawford and Spence, you know two fighters who want to make history and just fight then it would be more likely and sooner. Possibly have an undisputed champion and a mega event in Crawford vs. Spence by early/mid 2020.
GGG v Alvarez 2 in September
My thoughts on this fight are that I just can't wait to get it out of the way. It's gone on too long, the first fight was fairly disappointing and the re-match has inevitable Golden Boy gift wrapped decision for Canelo. They won't let GGG win on points nor want another draw.
You don't really think Canelo won the first fight?
I'm not even one of those GGG crazies or Canelo haters but it was pretty clear to me.
I scored the fight live and had it a draw. First scorecard is usually the right one.
Obviously the volume came from Golovkin, but most of the quality came from Canelo.
Yeah, I kinda think GGG had his opportunity to win it first time round, and he did, but got roughly scored. Can’t see him doing better this time.
Wow. I'd say you are fairly alone here, especially on the "fairly disappointing" part. If it wasn't for a certain Wlad/AJ fight, it was an easy consensus Fight of the Year.
And it's not exactly gone on too long in the Boxing world. They got round to doing the first fight within 18 months of it initially being touted and by September would of got round 2 done within the year.
I'm excited for it. But I guess this kind of response just proves the likes of Mayweather and Manny right in prolonging this shit to the point where GGG is clearly past it and Alvarez will walk to a points win instead. Two fights near primes or one fight 5 years after the point = same revenue after all!
Just from hearing about it so much here (I live in a heavily populated Mexican area of which half loves GGG and half hates Canelo), so the fight being dangled in front of us so long jaded me but I was very excited when it was signed and then the dodgy decision and then the drug test and then all the fallout from that until it was signed just lost me TBH. When Mayweather fought Pacquaio it was the same. I no longer enjoyed watching Pacquaio by that time and hadn't enjoyed Mayweather in about a decade (I began even skipping his fights after once being a fan of him). Now this fight I am much more into as I do still enjoy both fighters styles but the whole theater around it got on my tits.
Regarding the first fight. I thought it was alright. The start was slow and then the middle Canelo didn't seem to want to do anything and the finish though he won some rounds it wasn't exactly compelling drama. I re-watched it once. If it was say Porter and Garcia (a fight I like a lot BTW) producing the same fight I wouldn't even feel inclined to watch again. I didn't hate it but there were a lot better fights in the last 12 months not just Joshua-Klit, but you've got Rungvisai-Chocolatito I, Rungvisai-Estrada, Hurd-Lara, Lomachenko-Linares, Gassiev-Dorticos, Wilder-Ortiz, Usyk-Briedis etc; which I enjoyed a lot more.
Is GGG 'clearly' past it? I hardly thing so, he still looks excellent. It is impossible to knockout him, and he is extremely attacking, so unless that lady is scoring the match again, I think that he'll win in the points, despite that Canelo is more favorable from referees in that aspect.
Saying that, I think that it will be a late stoppage, with GGG this time looking for KO more considering that he knows that the refs might screw him again.
He needs the KO. Golden Boy promoted fighters are always grossly favored (witness even the Lomachenko-Linares scoring no way was that even entering the 10th), especially Canelo who's their meal ticket. I think unless Canelo fights overly aggressively and he's a different fighter off PED's then I just don't see a GGG KO. Golovkin is an excellent fighter, he has great power and is a skillful executioner but he has slowed just a little and what we see because of that is that his offense doesn't have a ton of variation so it's kind of easy to see what's coming more and more. He's slightly one-dimensional but he does have a great chin so he can perhaps take more risks this time (he looked like he was a little nervous last time).
Canelo will likely be on the back foot again and on the defensive because he knows he just has to be competitive, win some rounds and at least he won't lose and more than likely he'll "win".
I'd be surprised if GGG gets an official win to be honest. It's part of the reason I can't really get excited about it for now. I hate when a fight has an inevitable controversy about it. I expect GGG to outwork, out hustle and outpoint Canelo again by a similar margin of 8-4 or 7-5 but I honestly don't think he'd even get a "W" if he won 9 rounds. Golden Boy is too shady and the industry is too far up Canelo's you know what from the WBC, WBA etc; to the commission.
Loving the excuses
Gutted that in the UK, we won't be able to watch the Errol Spence Jr fight. That's 2 Showtime cards in a row not being broadcast here.
Joe Joyce..
That fella he just beat is a disgrace
That fella he just beat is a disgrace
Gutted that in the UK, we won't be able to watch the Errol Spence Jr fight. That's 2 Showtime cards in a row not being broadcast here.
Here it is if you haven't caught it yet:
I love Joe Joyce though, seems like a BFG
Cheers for this. But lately we have been let down in the UK lately:
No Superfly 2, Santa Cruz V Mares 2 and no Errol Spence Jr.
He seems like a nice kid but he's stiffer than a honeymooners dick.
I was just having a look at ESPN’s P4P rankings which for most of it I kinda agree but somehow Deontay Wilder has made it in to 8th. Now I don’t think AJ should be in the top 10 either but how the hell can you have Wilder in the top 10 and not have a guy who holds 3 titles and has fought much tougher opponents.
Be an American publication.
Yeah, it makes no sense for Wilder to be higher than Joshua, and it makes no sense for Joshua to be on top 10.
Disagree, I don't think it's egregious at all for Joshua to be in the back end of the top-10.
Wilder being ahead of Joshua is a bit of a joke. He has to beat him in order to be ahead of him based on their competition and overall what they've shown to date from a skill standpoint. Wilder being considered even in the top 10 is laughable to me based on skill and based on competition. He may have the lowest/worst of either among all American champions across all weights.
Joshua I wouldn't have top 10 but isn't an outrageous ranking given that he's got three titles and beat two fairly solid opponents for two of them.
Joshua I wouldn't have top 10 but isn't an outrageous ranking given that he's got three titles and beat two fairly solid opponents for two of them.
Good interview with Crawford on The Breakfast Club from a couple days ago. There’s absolutely nothing to dislike about this guy.
Here’s a very recent one from Lomachenko. Another credit to the sport. It’s in Russian but has subtitles.
Good win for Taylor last night, especially considering how early in his career it's come. Scorecards were a joke however. Onto big and better things for him.
Yeah, good win. Much better having a tough fight than blowing Postol away. He should learn a lot from it and will be a better fighter for it moving forward.
I had Taylor winning but those scorecards were bat shit
McGuigan is as shady as any promoter out there
Plus he snaked Frampton
Plus he snaked Frampton
And just one of the judges voted Inoue higher than Wilder. It's mad.
See Joshua has been ordered to defend against Povotkin for the WBA. Pretty conclusive now that Wilder is ducking Joshua and is full of BS in my opinion. He’ll try and spin this as Joshua ducking him but since Joshua’s goal is to be the undisputed heavyweight champ and to do that he needs the belt Wilder is holding, ducking him isn’t an option.
Povotkin could be a pretty dangerous fight.
Povotkin could be a pretty dangerous fight.
Joshua should have fought Povetkin after Wilder. It is a more dangerous fight IMO, while it will bring significantly less money.
Povetkin’s a bit crap now, should be relatively straight forward for Joshua